Congrats to the democrats' new frontrunner.



https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/202...id=rrpromo

(02-14-2020 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:54 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 02:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/sanders-has-...ers-party/

And Bernie has advocated for full fledged socialism in the past.

WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

What part of the article is incorrect?

Who knows...WND is one step away from the Onion and in direct alignment with Infowars. Nobody with any intelligence even clicks on that site.

Your projecting Mr. CNN/MSNBC.

(02-14-2020 04:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:54 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 02:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/sanders-has-...ers-party/

And Bernie has advocated for full fledged socialism in the past.

WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

What part of the article is incorrect?

Who knows...WND is one step away from the Onion and in direct alignment with Infowars. Nobody with any intelligence even clicks on that site.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/...index.html

CNN meet your stringent requirements?

Dude...it doesn't take much to rise above WND. That's why I about fell off my chair. Haven't seen anyone cite a link to them in about 2 years! Apparently you didn't get the memo.

(02-14-2020 04:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 04:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:54 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

What part of the article is incorrect?

Who knows...WND is one step away from the Onion and in direct alignment with Infowars. Nobody with any intelligence even clicks on that site.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/...index.html

CNN meet your stringent requirements?

Dude...it doesn't take much to rise above WND. That's why I about fell off my chair. Haven't seen anyone cite a link to them in about 2 years! Apparently you didn't get the memo.

Bob and weave Tom. It's what you seem to do best. Care to address the fact that yes, Sanders is a socialist who has proposed government take over the means of production in the past, has praised the likes of Castro, took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union, and proposes plans that would bankrupt the country in short order.

(02-14-2020 04:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Congrats to the democrats' new frontrunner.



https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/202...id=rrpromo

lulz, they'd stand a better chance if Deez Nutz were in first place.

(02-14-2020 12:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If they are smart, they'd get behind Pete

I bet he'd love that.


Oh, you meant support him.

We have a dingbat Democrat living two houses down. She is the typical Demo as she seems to be always angry, and I'm not kidding. What surprised me though is that she has a sign up for Bloomingidiot. Even she knows Socialism isn't the way to go and she's nuts. So go figure.

(02-14-2020 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The panic is awesome, and I really can't believe it took this long for them to see this coming. If they were competently evil they'd have stopped this long ago by having Obama go all in for a candidate early on and clear the lane. Pressure would have mounted on Bernie and especially the softer Bernie supporters that for the good of the party they need to get behind the one anointed by Obama and there's no way Bernie would have been able to build the required momentum. It's too late and they know it's too late. The outcomes of Iowa and New Hampshire while not being big wins for Bernie actually could be worst case scenarios for finding a way to legitimately "beat" him without a contested convention. It would have been a far better outcome for them to have Bernie beat 2nd place Biden by 10% in each state than this. You'd have cleared out all of the other centrist candidates and Biden would have still have had what would have been a reasonable point that those 2 states have zero diversity and my base of black support can and will carry me to victory. Instead he's cratered and the 2 centrists that surprised are ones with little national appeal and zero minority support. Neither one has even a prayer of being able to come close to the number needed to actually win. Bernie is the only candidate who's going to be viable (above 15%) to get delegates in every state, and because the rest of the riff-raff is still in and likely will still be in on Super Tuesday there are going to be states where Bernie maybe only gets 25% or so but gets all the delegates because everyone else splits the vote and no one crosses 15%.

Are you sure you're a democrat?

(02-14-2020 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:51 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Communist? Wait, I thought he was a Socialist.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

The two ideologies are not that far apart, so I could see the confusion. I think Bernie believes he is a socialist, but probably falls more communist at the heart of it all.

And you'd be wrong.

Right, that's why he refers to himself as one.

(02-14-2020 01:51 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Communist? Wait, I thought he was a Socialist.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

Same difference.

The ultimate result of socialism when viewed through the lens of a purely economic model is communism, so exactly right.

(02-14-2020 02:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:53 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And you'd be wrong.

So what does he think he is?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/...index.html

Seriously, are you that dumb? A guy that touts Cuban and Russian "Socialist" policies and then to make everyone in the US feel better he throws the word "Democratic" in front of it and hopes that the idiots will fall for the repackaging. I guess he found at least one.

Step away from the GOP talking points dude.

He's not a "Socialist" because he does not advocate the US government take over the means of the production...you know...Socialism. And spare me...we have several Socialist policies in America currently and they work just fine when combined with Capitalism policies.

You clearly have a limited view of the entirety of the socialist construct and an inability to take someone's own words at face value.

This conversation is always taken to the extreme. COMMUNIST SOCIALIST LIBTARD is yelled and is meant to invoke fears of the Soviet Union, Venezuela, or Cuba instead of some of our many allied countries that have some form of national healthcare/Bismarck model and some form of free college for citizens, or at the least, not extremely overpriced college tuition that is shackling the younger generation with debt. Debt that is keeping them from spending money, buying houses, having kids, etc...you know, things we need to happen for this country to not fall apart in the future.

The 35 and under crowd are voting for Socialist Bernie because they're the ones getting screwed and will be screwed more by the current system since they have the longest to live.

If the Republicans or the Republican-lite-Democrats attempted to fix the issues of:

-Public university tuition costs
-Healthcare costs
-Stagnant wages
-Corporations throwing a few billion at lobbyists to make trillions

You would see a lot less people voting for Bernie Sanders because they wouldn't feel like they needed to do to see any kind of change in their government for things that actually affect them.

Most politicians feel more beholden to things such as: the healthcare industry, the pharmaceutical industry, banks, defense firms, etc instead of the people they are supposed to represent. That is the root of the issues. It usually only takes a few thousand dollars to get a politician to vote the way you want them to. Our government simply does not represent you if you're not lobbying them with $$$$. That is the reality

Princeton study on how politicians vote: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/defa...cs.doc.pdf

How is anyone getting “screwed” for something they do voluntarily?

Don’t wanna pay for school? Don’t go.

Mommy and Daddy can’t gift that for you? Get a f#%^ing job. Or go through The GI bill.

Some us been good patrons and planned ahead, will pay in full for our kids college, as our folks did.

Now you not only want us to pay for your loser azz, but want my own kids to pay for the next collection of losers for the rest of their lives? GTFOH.

Get a damn job, plenty of them out there.

Thanks, Trump!

(02-15-2020 03:02 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  This conversation is always taken to the extreme. COMMUNIST SOCIALIST LIBTARD is yelled and is meant to invoke fears of the Soviet Union, Venezuela, or Cuba instead of some of our many allied countries that have some form of national healthcare/Bismarck model and some form of free college for citizens, or at the least, not extremely overpriced college tuition that is shackling the younger generation with debt. Debt that is keeping them from spending money, buying houses, having kids, etc...you know, things we need to happen for this country to not fall apart in the future.

The 35 and under crowd are voting for Socialist Bernie because they're the ones getting screwed and will be screwed more by the current system since they have the longest to live.

If the Republicans or the Republican-lite-Democrats attempted to fix the issues of:

-Public university tuition costs
-Healthcare costs
-Stagnant wages
-Corporations throwing a few billion at lobbyists to make trillions

You would see a lot less people voting for Bernie Sanders because they wouldn't feel like they needed to do to see any kind of change in their government for things that actually affect them.

Most politicians feel more beholden to things such as: the healthcare industry, the pharmaceutical industry, banks, defense firms, etc instead of the people they are supposed to represent. That is the root of the issues. It usually only takes a few thousand dollars to get a politician to vote the way you want them to. Our government simply does not represent you if you're not lobbying them with $$$$. That is the reality

Princeton study on how politicians vote: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/defa...cs.doc.pdf

17-29 turnout was flat in IA and down in NH.

Besides, their votes aren’t worth any more than anyone else’s, so we aren’t obligated to remake the American economy to their will, just because they so happen to be the loudest/most obnoxious in the room.

None of bernie’s major proposals would ever get 20 votes in the US Senate, much less 60.

(02-15-2020 03:50 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  How is anyone getting “screwed” for something they do voluntarily?

Don’t wanna pay for school? Don’t go.

Mommy and Daddy can’t gift that for you? Get a f#%^ing job. Or go through The GI bill.

Some us been good patrons and planned ahead, will pay in full for our kids college, as our folks did.

Now you not only want us to pay for your loser azz, but want my own kids to pay for the next collection of losers for the rest of their lives? GTFOH.

Get a damn job, plenty of them out there.

Thanks, Trump!

A decent job nearly requires you to go to college these days. Just like nearly every job in existence requires you to put your resume into their online system

And I'm sure that's a fine and dandy answer, and yet none of what you said actually fixes the problem of tuition costs vastly exceeding inflation multiple times over.

And I'm already well past having paid for my own degree .

(02-15-2020 03:53 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 03:02 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  This conversation is always taken to the extreme. COMMUNIST SOCIALIST LIBTARD is yelled and is meant to invoke fears of the Soviet Union, Venezuela, or Cuba instead of some of our many allied countries that have some form of national healthcare/Bismarck model and some form of free college for citizens, or at the least, not extremely overpriced college tuition that is shackling the younger generation with debt. Debt that is keeping them from spending money, buying houses, having kids, etc...you know, things we need to happen for this country to not fall apart in the future.

The 35 and under crowd are voting for Socialist Bernie because they're the ones getting screwed and will be screwed more by the current system since they have the longest to live.

If the Republicans or the Republican-lite-Democrats attempted to fix the issues of:

-Public university tuition costs
-Healthcare costs
-Stagnant wages
-Corporations throwing a few billion at lobbyists to make trillions

You would see a lot less people voting for Bernie Sanders because they wouldn't feel like they needed to do to see any kind of change in their government for things that actually affect them.

Most politicians feel more beholden to things such as: the healthcare industry, the pharmaceutical industry, banks, defense firms, etc instead of the people they are supposed to represent. That is the root of the issues. It usually only takes a few thousand dollars to get a politician to vote the way you want them to. Our government simply does not represent you if you're not lobbying them with $$$$. That is the reality

Princeton study on how politicians vote: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/defa...cs.doc.pdf

17-29 turnout was flat in IA and down in NH.

Besides, their votes aren’t worth any more than anyone else’s, so we aren’t obligated to remake the American economy to their will, just because they so happen to be the loudest/most obnoxious in the room.

None of bernie’s major proposals would ever get 20 votes in the US Senate, much less 60.

Yeah and a ton of people also said Trump wouldn't get elected. Once someone gets into office you never know what can happen Personally, I never thought I'd see our the POTUS insulting people daily on a godawful platform like twitter, but that's where we are as a society. If in 2015 you told me that was going to happen then I would have called you a liar.

Reducing incredibly inflated tuition/healthcare costs per person and making it where corporations can't literally control the government by throwing their pocket change at politicians = "remaking the American economy to their will".

Yes, terrible changes. Totally Un-American

I want to see how he does on Super Tuesday before making any conclusions. But I am wondering if the best case scenario for November might be Bernie vs Trump, but the DNC and the big donors to be concentrating on down ticket folks. Basically concede a 2nd term to Trump if you can ensure you win back the Senate and keep the House majority. At the very least, you'd make sure RBG can't be replaced with a conservative.

eta - although after I typed this, I just saw a new poll from UT in Texas that says Sanders is surging in Texas and Trump is 'under-performing' here. 52 percent of Texans claim they won't vote for Trump to be re-elected.

https://kvia.com/your-voice-your-vote/ca...-new-poll/

(02-14-2020 04:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 04:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:54 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

What part of the article is incorrect?

Who knows...WND is one step away from the Onion and in direct alignment with Infowars. Nobody with any intelligence even clicks on that site.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/...index.html

CNN meet your stringent requirements?

Dude...it doesn't take much to rise above WND. That's why I about fell off my chair. Haven't seen anyone cite a link to them in about 2 years! Apparently you didn't get the memo.

Still more reliable than CNN and MSNBC's reporting on Russian collusion

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(02-15-2020 06:54 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 03:50 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  How is anyone getting “screwed” for something they do voluntarily?

Don’t wanna pay for school? Don’t go.

Mommy and Daddy can’t gift that for you? Get a f#%^ing job. Or go through The GI bill.

Some us been good patrons and planned ahead, will pay in full for our kids college, as our folks did.

Now you not only want us to pay for your loser azz, but want my own kids to pay for the next collection of losers for the rest of their lives? GTFOH.

Get a damn job, plenty of them out there.

Thanks, Trump!

A decent job nearly requires you to go to college these days. Just like nearly every job in existence requires you to put your resume into their online system

And I'm sure that's a fine and dandy answer, and yet none of what you said actually fixes the problem of tuition costs vastly exceeding inflation multiple times over.

And I'm already well past having paid for my own degree .

Nonsense. Learn to turn a wrench or fix a pipe.
More jobs in the “trades” than can be filled right now, and a kid coming out of HS, start with an apprenticeship and can be bringing down close to six figures by the time they’re 25.

As I said, I’ll type it slower this time, step A. Get a job.

Does wonders.