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RE: Dems FREAK OUT after Communist Lunatic Bernie Sanders Takes Over Party
(02-15-2020 08:44 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:54 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 03:50 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  How is anyone getting “screwed” for something they do voluntarily?

Don’t wanna pay for school? Don’t go.

Mommy and Daddy can’t gift that for you? Get a f#%^ing job. Or go through The GI bill.

Some us been good patrons and planned ahead, will pay in full for our kids college, as our folks did.

Now you not only want us to pay for your loser azz, but want my own kids to pay for the next collection of losers for the rest of their lives? GTFOH.

Get a damn job, plenty of them out there.

Thanks, Trump!

A decent job nearly requires you to go to college these days. Just like nearly every job in existence requires you to put your resume into their online system

And I'm sure that's a fine and dandy answer, and yet none of what you said actually fixes the problem of tuition costs vastly exceeding inflation multiple times over.

And I'm already well past having paid for my own degree 03-lmfao.


Nonsense. Learn to turn a wrench or fix a pipe.
More jobs in the “trades” than can be filled right now, and a kid coming out of HS, start with an apprenticeship and can be bringing down close to six figures by the time they’re 25.

As I said, I’ll type it slower this time, step A. Get a job.

Does wonders.

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I'm hittin' the field today just for shites and gigs (and $$$)....does that qualify?!?

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(02-15-2020 07:16 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 03:53 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 03:02 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  This conversation is always taken to the extreme. COMMUNIST SOCIALIST LIBTARD is yelled and is meant to invoke fears of the Soviet Union, Venezuela, or Cuba instead of some of our many allied countries that have some form of national healthcare/Bismarck model and some form of free college for citizens, or at the least, not extremely overpriced college tuition that is shackling the younger generation with debt. Debt that is keeping them from spending money, buying houses, having kids, etc...you know, things we need to happen for this country to not fall apart in the future.

The 35 and under crowd are voting for Socialist Bernie because they're the ones getting screwed and will be screwed more by the current system since they have the longest to live.

If the Republicans or the Republican-lite-Democrats attempted to fix the issues of:

-Public university tuition costs
-Healthcare costs
-Stagnant wages
-Corporations throwing a few billion at lobbyists to make trillions

You would see a lot less people voting for Bernie Sanders because they wouldn't feel like they needed to do to see any kind of change in their government for things that actually affect them.

Most politicians feel more beholden to things such as: the healthcare industry, the pharmaceutical industry, banks, defense firms, etc instead of the people they are supposed to represent. That is the root of the issues. It usually only takes a few thousand dollars to get a politician to vote the way you want them to. Our government simply does not represent you if you're not lobbying them with $$$$. That is the reality

Princeton study on how politicians vote: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/defa...cs.doc.pdf

17-29 turnout was flat in IA and down in NH.

Besides, their votes aren’t worth any more than anyone else’s, so we aren’t obligated to remake the American economy to their will, just because they so happen to be the loudest/most obnoxious in the room.

None of bernie’s major proposals would ever get 20 votes in the US Senate, much less 60.

Yeah and a ton of people also said Trump wouldn't get elected. Once someone gets into office you never know what can happen 03-lmfao Personally, I never thought I'd see our the POTUS insulting people daily on a godawful platform like twitter, but that's where we are as a society. If in 2015 you told me that was going to happen then I would have called you a liar.

Reducing incredibly inflated tuition/healthcare costs per person and making it where corporations can't literally control the government by throwing their pocket change at politicians = "remaking the American economy to their will".

Yes, terrible changes. Totally Un-American

The 150+ million people that get their healthcare as a benefit from their employer are content with it, and that isn't up for a vote (frankly). Seniors are content with theirs. The indigent get theirs for free already.

Take a look at polls on universal health care. A majority support it, until you break the news to them that private insurance would be abolished, and then that number drops to 13%. People are fine with everyone having access, but not to the detriment of themselves. bernie's proposal wants to break it for the 90+% to "fix" it for the <10%.

As for college, I'd argue that too many people are going already as it is, and if anything, the price needs to be raised as a disincentive from going (that's somewhat tongue in cheek), and/or the government needs to get out of the business of guaranteeing loans to any mouth breather with a pulse.

A lot of middling schools (particularly their liberal arts colleges) need to be shut down, because wholly unexceptional kids end up going to them, majoring in nonsense, and then think since they are in college, that makes them a genius. They come out dumber than they went in, and become impossible to teach anything to that doesn't conform to their worldview, because they think they already know it all. It often takes a 1-2 year detox of living in the real world to break them of that. Some never overcome it, and those are your bernie sanders supporters.
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(02-15-2020 12:07 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:51 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Communist? Wait, I thought he was a Socialist.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

Same difference.

The ultimate result of socialism when viewed through the lens of a purely economic model is communism, so exactly right.


There are actually a difference between a Socialist and a Commie. A Commie will claim that they are a Socialist, but they take all freedoms away from the people. A Democratic Socialist believes that everybody have healthcare, a place to live and free education. Commies tell you what you be for a job, forced you to join the military etc. Bernie is not a murdering Commie dictator like Putin is.
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(02-15-2020 07:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 12:07 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:51 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Communist? Wait, I thought he was a Socialist.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

Same difference.

The ultimate result of socialism when viewed through the lens of a purely economic model is communism, so exactly right.


There are actually a difference between a Socialist and a Commie. A Commie will claim that they are a Socialist, but they take all freedoms away from the people. A Democratic Socialist believes that everybody have healthcare, a place to live and free education. Commies tell you what you be for a job, forced you to join the military etc. Bernie is not a murdering Commie dictator like Putin is.

Hate to break it to you but America is already democratic socialist. Just not to the extent of western Europe. You guys just rather gaslight and scream "Cuba" and "Venezuela" and "USSR". Which is pathetic considering how Trump keeps budding up to dictators like Putin, who has said he wants to return Russia to the days of the USSR.
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(02-14-2020 04:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 03:57 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I thought he was a socialist 04-coffee I can't keep track. Or was he a Democratic Socialist? Or was he a capitalist in socialistic sheeps clothing? So confused.

The words are sort of interchangeable according to actual democrat socialists. Regardless, his policy proposals are not full-blown Socialist policies, but rather include capitalism as well.

We'd do much better in this country if we judged policies on their effectiveness rather than their perceived label.
You guys created Bernie Sanders. Only Trump can take him out. You think Michael Bloomberg will stop this? Lol

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(02-15-2020 10:50 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Hate to break it to you but America is already democratic socialist. Just not to the extent of western Europe. You guys just rather gaslight and scream "Cuba" and "Venezuela" and "USSR". Which is pathetic considering how Trump keeps budding up to dictators like Putin, who has said he wants to return Russia to the days of the USSR.

You are playing word games here. Democratic socialism and social democrat sound kind of alike, but they are two vastly different things. Western Europe is not democratic socialist, Western Europe is social democrat. The difference is that democratic socialist is socialist, whereas social democrat is capitalist with a safety net. I'm fine with capitalist with a safety net, I'm not fine with socialist.

The difference between social democrat and democratic socialist starts when the democratic socialist starts trying to redistribute income and wealth on a massive scale. That puts Berne on the socialist side of that line, not the social democrat side.
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(02-14-2020 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:18 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Bernie is the only candidate who's going to be viable (above 15%) to get delegates in every state, and because the rest of the riff-raff is still in and likely will still be in on Super Tuesday there are going to be states where Bernie maybe only gets 25% or so but gets all the delegates because everyone else splits the vote and no one crosses 15%.

So, the plan is for the remaining 75% of the vote to divide perfectly among the rest of the candidates so they all fall below 15%?

You know that isn't going to happen, right?

Oh of course it's not going to happen everywhere, but here's what will happen. Bernie is gonna cross that 15% threshold in every single state because he has the national name recognition, money, and ground game to do it. Then you've got 4 candidates in Rate Pete, Klob, Slow Joe (unless he drops) and adding in the Little Oligarch battling for the same slice of voters. None of them are taking anyone from the Bernie base, and even if you believe Bernie isn't gaining momentum (which you'd have to be just ignorantly ignoring national polls to believe) you've got 4 candidates trying to split up whatever % of the vote is left that can be moved. There will be some states none of them hit 15%, and some that only 1 or 2 of them reach it but it almost certainly won't be the same 1 or 2 in every state. So Bernie will just rack up delegates across the board while you end up with each of those 4 probably getting a pretty similar but small amount of delegates. This is a disaster scenario to find a way to actually have someone legitimately "win" over Bernie. There maybe still would be time to do it if literally today everyone but 1 centrist candidate dropped out, but that will not happen no one is dropping before Nevada and the only person I could see finally giving in after that is Warren. There is no realistic scenario anyone but Bernie can hit the number to win, so it's either going to be Bernie as the nominee or they have to commit party seppuku to stop it. That's why Carville is losing his damn mind, because while he clearly is completely out of touch with what people want (since he endorsed I think UVA's Coach Bennett) he can see there's no way to stop this disaster for the establishment scum like him. These bloodsuckers are screwed and they deserve it.

Just like IA and NH, at least 3 will be viable in every state, 2 of which aren't sanders. He "loses" every state in such a situation, because the goal is to just keep him below 50% by the end.

After every state, he's going to get further and further from 50%. After Super Tuesday, he's going to need like 60+% of the remaining delegates, and the other 2-3 that remain viable aren't going to go anywhere, because they know not only will they control a majority of pledged delegates at the convention, but also 100% of the super-delegates.

Carville is upset because he knows the party is in a lose-lose situation. Either, sanders is the nominee, where 75% of previously guaranteed votes are now at risk, and it's a down-ballot catastrophe, or they have to steal it from him, and 25% of the party will stay at home/cast protest votes.

So for all this rambling you've been doing over and over again you essentially just came to the same conclusion I made at the end of my post? That we've now reached the point where either Bernie is going to be the nominee or they have to steal it from him and destroy the party. That Bernie is the only one who has any shot of hitting the number needed to win. Our only disagreement (well aside from everything politically) is essentially the odds we believe that Bernie can hit the number. I am of the belief he's got a roughly 50/50 shot of getting there and you I think believe he's got almost no chance of hitting the number.

Is it really stealing it from him if he ends up with 35-40% of the delegates when the party rules say candidates need 51% of delegates to be the nominee? In many elections, that would trigger a runoff which is essentially what will happen at gathering convention.

I’m still not convinced that one or the more moderate candidates can’t jump Bernie. If Bloomberg doesn’t do well Super Tuesday but one of Pete, Biden, or Klobuchar jumps out ahead, I could see a scenario where those 3 and Bloomberg come to an agreement on who drops out and all back their chosen candidate. If Warren stays in and continues to split the lefty vote with Bernie, you could end up with the chosen moderate candidate winning 45-50% of remaining delegates with Bernie in the 30s and Warren in then teens.
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(02-15-2020 11:57 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:18 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So, the plan is for the remaining 75% of the vote to divide perfectly among the rest of the candidates so they all fall below 15%?

You know that isn't going to happen, right?

Oh of course it's not going to happen everywhere, but here's what will happen. Bernie is gonna cross that 15% threshold in every single state because he has the national name recognition, money, and ground game to do it. Then you've got 4 candidates in Rate Pete, Klob, Slow Joe (unless he drops) and adding in the Little Oligarch battling for the same slice of voters. None of them are taking anyone from the Bernie base, and even if you believe Bernie isn't gaining momentum (which you'd have to be just ignorantly ignoring national polls to believe) you've got 4 candidates trying to split up whatever % of the vote is left that can be moved. There will be some states none of them hit 15%, and some that only 1 or 2 of them reach it but it almost certainly won't be the same 1 or 2 in every state. So Bernie will just rack up delegates across the board while you end up with each of those 4 probably getting a pretty similar but small amount of delegates. This is a disaster scenario to find a way to actually have someone legitimately "win" over Bernie. There maybe still would be time to do it if literally today everyone but 1 centrist candidate dropped out, but that will not happen no one is dropping before Nevada and the only person I could see finally giving in after that is Warren. There is no realistic scenario anyone but Bernie can hit the number to win, so it's either going to be Bernie as the nominee or they have to commit party seppuku to stop it. That's why Carville is losing his damn mind, because while he clearly is completely out of touch with what people want (since he endorsed I think UVA's Coach Bennett) he can see there's no way to stop this disaster for the establishment scum like him. These bloodsuckers are screwed and they deserve it.

Just like IA and NH, at least 3 will be viable in every state, 2 of which aren't sanders. He "loses" every state in such a situation, because the goal is to just keep him below 50% by the end.

After every state, he's going to get further and further from 50%. After Super Tuesday, he's going to need like 60+% of the remaining delegates, and the other 2-3 that remain viable aren't going to go anywhere, because they know not only will they control a majority of pledged delegates at the convention, but also 100% of the super-delegates.

Carville is upset because he knows the party is in a lose-lose situation. Either, sanders is the nominee, where 75% of previously guaranteed votes are now at risk, and it's a down-ballot catastrophe, or they have to steal it from him, and 25% of the party will stay at home/cast protest votes.

So for all this rambling you've been doing over and over again you essentially just came to the same conclusion I made at the end of my post? That we've now reached the point where either Bernie is going to be the nominee or they have to steal it from him and destroy the party. That Bernie is the only one who has any shot of hitting the number needed to win. Our only disagreement (well aside from everything politically) is essentially the odds we believe that Bernie can hit the number. I am of the belief he's got a roughly 50/50 shot of getting there and you I think believe he's got almost no chance of hitting the number.

Is it really stealing it from him if he ends up with 35-40% of the delegates when the party rules say candidates need 51% of delegates to be the nominee? In many elections, that would trigger a runoff which is essentially what will happen at gathering convention.

I’m still not convinced that one or the more moderate candidates can’t jump Bernie. If Bloomberg doesn’t do well Super Tuesday but one of Pete, Biden, or Klobuchar jumps out ahead, I could see a scenario where those 3 and Bloomberg come to an agreement on who drops out and all back their chosen candidate. If Warren stays in and continues to split the lefty vote with Bernie, you could end up with the chosen moderate candidate winning 45-50% of remaining delegates with Bernie in the 30s and Warren in then teens.
Warren won't be in the teens. She got 9% in her neighboring state with favorable demographics. She's done. If she is still there Super Tuesday she'll get 2%.

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A simple observation: if posters here, that probably pay more attention to politics than most voters, call communism and socialism the same thing what will the electorate think?

For example, Vietnam is a socialist country. Over 58,000 Americans died fighting in that war. Until now I thought Vietnam was a communist country. Why? Because growing up in the ‘60s and ‘70s we were fighting communism in Southeast Asia.

Bernie is going to have a tough time getting anyone over the age of 40 to vote him because of Vietnam.
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I would love to know the ages of those supporting Bernie here. I believe it would be an eye opener.
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(02-15-2020 11:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 10:50 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Hate to break it to you but America is already democratic socialist. Just not to the extent of western Europe. You guys just rather gaslight and scream "Cuba" and "Venezuela" and "USSR". Which is pathetic considering how Trump keeps budding up to dictators like Putin, who has said he wants to return Russia to the days of the USSR.

You are playing word games here. Democratic socialism and social democrat sound kind of alike, but they are two vastly different things. Western Europe is not democratic socialist, Western Europe is social democrat. The difference is that democratic socialist is socialist, whereas social democrat is capitalist with a safety net. I'm fine with capitalist with a safety net, I'm not fine with socialist.

The difference between social democrat and democratic socialist starts when the democratic socialist starts trying to redistribute income and wealth on a massive scale. That puts Berne on the socialist side of that line, not the social democrat side.

Tomato tamotto. You still want to gaslight and make it seem like Bernie wants Cuba when he is looking to be more Western European.
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(02-16-2020 01:34 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tomato tamotto. You still want to gaslight and make it seem like Bernie wants Cuba when he is looking to be more Western European.

No, Bernie is definitely wanting more Cuba than Western Europe. Western Europe had its fling with high taxes on corporations and the "wealthy" in the 1960s and 1970s. They got capital flight, so they refocused on consumption taxes and generally lower and flatter income taxes, particularly on the corporate side. Everybody benefits and everybody pays.

Their emphasis is on a safety net, Bernie's primary interest is redistribution of income and wealth. That's more USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe than it is Western Europe.

Bernie says he wants Western Europe. But his actions say he wants USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
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(02-16-2020 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 01:34 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tomato tamotto. You still want to gaslight and make it seem like Bernie wants Cuba when he is looking to be more Western European.

No, Bernie is definitely wanting more Cuba than Western Europe. Western Europe had its fling with high taxes on corporations and the "wealthy" in the 1960s and 1970s. They got capital flight, so they refocused on consumption taxes and generally lower and flatter income taxes, particularly on the corporate side. Everybody benefits and everybody pays.

Their emphasis is on a safety net, Bernie's primary interest is redistribution of income and wealth. That's more USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe than it is Western Europe.

Bernie says he wants Western Europe. But his actions say he wants USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

The other side can say trump wants the same thing but only because he wants to stay in power.
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(02-16-2020 02:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 01:34 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tomato tamotto. You still want to gaslight and make it seem like Bernie wants Cuba when he is looking to be more Western European.

No, Bernie is definitely wanting more Cuba than Western Europe. Western Europe had its fling with high taxes on corporations and the "wealthy" in the 1960s and 1970s. They got capital flight, so they refocused on consumption taxes and generally lower and flatter income taxes, particularly on the corporate side. Everybody benefits and everybody pays.

Their emphasis is on a safety net, Bernie's primary interest is redistribution of income and wealth. That's more USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe than it is Western Europe.

Bernie says he wants Western Europe. But his actions say he wants USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

The other side can say trump wants the same thing but only because he wants to stay in power.

lol....yeah, a guy that's uber rich, is term limited, and at the end of his lifespan doing 'real time philanthropic work for the betterment of the whole AND internally', is thinking, 'man, I just want muh power....and I want it all.'

smfh & lmmfao at idiots...
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(02-16-2020 02:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
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(02-16-2020 01:34 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tomato tamotto. You still want to gaslight and make it seem like Bernie wants Cuba when he is looking to be more Western European.
No, Bernie is definitely wanting more Cuba than Western Europe. Western Europe had its fling with high taxes on corporations and the "wealthy" in the 1960s and 1970s. They got capital flight, so they refocused on consumption taxes and generally lower and flatter income taxes, particularly on the corporate side. Everybody benefits and everybody pays.
Their emphasis is on a safety net, Bernie's primary interest is redistribution of income and wealth. That's more USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe than it is Western Europe.
Bernie says he wants Western Europe. But his actions say he wants USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
The other side can say trump wants the same thing but only because he wants to stay in power.

The difference is that there are facts to support saying it about Bernie.
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(02-14-2020 05:25 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  [Image: giphy.gif]

Like the Trump boat passing by in the background. It made me laugh.
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(02-16-2020 02:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
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(02-16-2020 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 01:34 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tomato tamotto. You still want to gaslight and make it seem like Bernie wants Cuba when he is looking to be more Western European.
No, Bernie is definitely wanting more Cuba than Western Europe. Western Europe had its fling with high taxes on corporations and the "wealthy" in the 1960s and 1970s. They got capital flight, so they refocused on consumption taxes and generally lower and flatter income taxes, particularly on the corporate side. Everybody benefits and everybody pays.
Their emphasis is on a safety net, Bernie's primary interest is redistribution of income and wealth. That's more USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe than it is Western Europe.
Bernie says he wants Western Europe. But his actions say he wants USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
The other side can say trump wants the same thing but only because he wants to stay in power.

The difference is that there are facts to support saying it about Bernie.

XACLY!

one has made a career out of pandering and the like.....the other created his own empire beforehand...

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(02-15-2020 03:02 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  If the Republicans or the Republican-lite-Democrats attempted to fix the issues of:

-Public university tuition costs
-Healthcare costs
-Stagnant wages
-Corporations throwing a few billion at lobbyists to make trillions

Can you point to the section of the Constitution that makes any of the BS you listed as the responsibility of the federal government? Thanks!
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(02-16-2020 05:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 03:02 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  If the Republicans or the Republican-lite-Democrats attempted to fix the issues of:

-Public university tuition costs
-Healthcare costs
-Stagnant wages
-Corporations throwing a few billion at lobbyists to make trillions

Can you point to the section of the Constitution that makes any of the BS you listed as the responsibility of the federal government? Thanks!

All the Libs crying about those four issues and yet they've been around even in the Oblunder administration which was there for 8 years and nothing was done. Oh my, but did they think Oblunder was incompetent because he ignored these? No, because he's a Demoncrap.
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(02-16-2020 03:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 02:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 02:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 01:34 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tomato tamotto. You still want to gaslight and make it seem like Bernie wants Cuba when he is looking to be more Western European.
No, Bernie is definitely wanting more Cuba than Western Europe. Western Europe had its fling with high taxes on corporations and the "wealthy" in the 1960s and 1970s. They got capital flight, so they refocused on consumption taxes and generally lower and flatter income taxes, particularly on the corporate side. Everybody benefits and everybody pays.
Their emphasis is on a safety net, Bernie's primary interest is redistribution of income and wealth. That's more USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe than it is Western Europe.
Bernie says he wants Western Europe. But his actions say he wants USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
The other side can say trump wants the same thing but only because he wants to stay in power.

The difference is that there are facts to support saying it about Bernie.

XACLY!

one has made a career out of pandering and the like.....the other created his own empire beforehand...

BLACK AND WHITE

Created an empire 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao An empire of lies. He got his start from his Daddy’s money and all his business have failed and or were forcibly shut down by the law. Just as other world leaders mock him so to other real business leaders.

And tyrants are made when people are not looking at the signs and say term limits won’t let that happen.
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