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RE: Dems FREAK OUT after Communist Lunatic Bernie Sanders Takes Over Party
Democratic Socialism is utter bullsh*t. It is not a thing.

It's like Bernie telling people "it's ok - it's just cancer LITE."
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(02-14-2020 02:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:53 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And you'd be wrong.

So what does he think he is?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/...index.html

Seriously, are you that dumb? A guy that touts Cuban and Russian "Socialist" policies and then to make everyone in the US feel better he throws the word "Democratic" in front of it and hopes that the idiots will fall for the repackaging. I guess he found at least one.

Step away from the GOP talking points dude. 03-yawn

He's not a "Socialist" because he does not advocate the US government take over the means of the production...you know...Socialism. And spare me...we have several Socialist policies in America currently and they work just fine when combined with Capitalism policies.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...-the-1980s

Just dropping that for your intellectually dishonest self.
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(02-14-2020 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Democratic Socialism is utter bullsh*t. It is not a thing.

It's like Bernie telling people "it's ok - it's just cancer LITE."

Medicare for all who want it is utter bullsh*t and not a thing, but CIA Pete thinks saying it will make it so.
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(02-14-2020 02:18 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Bernie is the only candidate who's going to be viable (above 15%) to get delegates in every state, and because the rest of the riff-raff is still in and likely will still be in on Super Tuesday there are going to be states where Bernie maybe only gets 25% or so but gets all the delegates because everyone else splits the vote and no one crosses 15%.

So, the plan is for the remaining 75% of the vote to divide perfectly among the rest of the candidates so they all fall below 15%?

You know that isn't going to happen, right?

Oh of course it's not going to happen everywhere, but here's what will happen. Bernie is gonna cross that 15% threshold in every single state because he has the national name recognition, money, and ground game to do it. Then you've got 4 candidates in Rate Pete, Klob, Slow Joe (unless he drops) and adding in the Little Oligarch battling for the same slice of voters. None of them are taking anyone from the Bernie base, and even if you believe Bernie isn't gaining momentum (which you'd have to be just ignorantly ignoring national polls to believe) you've got 4 candidates trying to split up whatever % of the vote is left that can be moved. There will be some states none of them hit 15%, and some that only 1 or 2 of them reach it but it almost certainly won't be the same 1 or 2 in every state. So Bernie will just rack up delegates across the board while you end up with each of those 4 probably getting a pretty similar but small amount of delegates. This is a disaster scenario to find a way to actually have someone legitimately "win" over Bernie. There maybe still would be time to do it if literally today everyone but 1 centrist candidate dropped out, but that will not happen no one is dropping before Nevada and the only person I could see finally giving in after that is Warren. There is no realistic scenario anyone but Bernie can hit the number to win, so it's either going to be Bernie as the nominee or they have to commit party seppuku to stop it. That's why Carville is losing his damn mind, because while he clearly is completely out of touch with what people want (since he endorsed I think UVA's Coach Bennett) he can see there's no way to stop this disaster for the establishment scum like him. These bloodsuckers are screwed and they deserve it.

Just like IA and NH, at least 3 will be viable in every state, 2 of which aren't sanders. He "loses" every state in such a situation, because the goal is to just keep him below 50% by the end.

After every state, he's going to get further and further from 50%. After Super Tuesday, he's going to need like 60+% of the remaining delegates, and the other 2-3 that remain viable aren't going to go anywhere, because they know not only will they control a majority of pledged delegates at the convention, but also 100% of the super-delegates.

Carville is upset because he knows the party is in a lose-lose situation. Either, sanders is the nominee, where 75% of previously guaranteed votes are now at risk, and it's a down-ballot catastrophe, or they have to steal it from him, and 25% of the party will stay at home/cast protest votes.
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(02-14-2020 02:40 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Democratic Socialism is utter bullsh*t. It is not a thing.

It's like Bernie telling people "it's ok - it's just cancer LITE."

Medicare for all who want it is utter bullsh*t and not a thing, but CIA Pete thinks saying it will make it so.

Might want to relay that to AOC.

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(02-14-2020 01:50 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Guess I missed the Bernie speech where he advocated for the nationalization of all private industry.

Doesn't need a speech, look at his "plans". Somewhere north of 75 TRILLION, where is that gonna come from? Same place it was supposed to in that utopia the Bern was so hot on in Vz. Half the US population working for benevolent Gubment in one capacity or another, hence nationalization of the private sector.

yup, let's go with breadline Bernie, good plan. It's a good thing, shows the people have real wealth... 07-coffee3
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(02-14-2020 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And FTR, winning/doing well in the first two primaries, in those two states, by no means puts you in control of anything.

may wanna history a bit and rethink that statement.
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Libs defending Bernie's policies is really fun to read.
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(02-14-2020 02:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:18 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Bernie is the only candidate who's going to be viable (above 15%) to get delegates in every state, and because the rest of the riff-raff is still in and likely will still be in on Super Tuesday there are going to be states where Bernie maybe only gets 25% or so but gets all the delegates because everyone else splits the vote and no one crosses 15%.

So, the plan is for the remaining 75% of the vote to divide perfectly among the rest of the candidates so they all fall below 15%?

You know that isn't going to happen, right?

Oh of course it's not going to happen everywhere, but here's what will happen. Bernie is gonna cross that 15% threshold in every single state because he has the national name recognition, money, and ground game to do it. Then you've got 4 candidates in Rate Pete, Klob, Slow Joe (unless he drops) and adding in the Little Oligarch battling for the same slice of voters. None of them are taking anyone from the Bernie base, and even if you believe Bernie isn't gaining momentum (which you'd have to be just ignorantly ignoring national polls to believe) you've got 4 candidates trying to split up whatever % of the vote is left that can be moved. There will be some states none of them hit 15%, and some that only 1 or 2 of them reach it but it almost certainly won't be the same 1 or 2 in every state. So Bernie will just rack up delegates across the board while you end up with each of those 4 probably getting a pretty similar but small amount of delegates. This is a disaster scenario to find a way to actually have someone legitimately "win" over Bernie. There maybe still would be time to do it if literally today everyone but 1 centrist candidate dropped out, but that will not happen no one is dropping before Nevada and the only person I could see finally giving in after that is Warren. There is no realistic scenario anyone but Bernie can hit the number to win, so it's either going to be Bernie as the nominee or they have to commit party seppuku to stop it. That's why Carville is losing his damn mind, because while he clearly is completely out of touch with what people want (since he endorsed I think UVA's Coach Bennett) he can see there's no way to stop this disaster for the establishment scum like him. These bloodsuckers are screwed and they deserve it.

Just like IA and NH, at least 3 will be viable in every state, 2 of which aren't sanders. He "loses" every state in such a situation, because the goal is to just keep him below 50% by the end.

After every state, he's going to get further and further from 50%. After Super Tuesday, he's going to need like 60+% of the remaining delegates, and the other 2-3 that remain viable aren't going to go anywhere, because they know not only will they control a majority of pledged delegates at the convention, but also 100% of the super-delegates.

Carville is upset because he knows the party is in a lose-lose situation. Either, sanders is the nominee, where 75% of previously guaranteed votes are now at risk, and it's a down-ballot catastrophe, or they have to steal it from him, and 25% of the party will stay at home/cast protest votes.

So for all this rambling you've been doing over and over again you essentially just came to the same conclusion I made at the end of my post? That we've now reached the point where either Bernie is going to be the nominee or they have to steal it from him and destroy the party. That Bernie is the only one who has any shot of hitting the number needed to win. Our only disagreement (well aside from everything politically) is essentially the odds we believe that Bernie can hit the number. I am of the belief he's got a roughly 50/50 shot of getting there and you I think believe he's got almost no chance of hitting the number.
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(02-14-2020 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:18 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 12:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Bernie is the only candidate who's going to be viable (above 15%) to get delegates in every state, and because the rest of the riff-raff is still in and likely will still be in on Super Tuesday there are going to be states where Bernie maybe only gets 25% or so but gets all the delegates because everyone else splits the vote and no one crosses 15%.

So, the plan is for the remaining 75% of the vote to divide perfectly among the rest of the candidates so they all fall below 15%?

You know that isn't going to happen, right?

Oh of course it's not going to happen everywhere, but here's what will happen. Bernie is gonna cross that 15% threshold in every single state because he has the national name recognition, money, and ground game to do it. Then you've got 4 candidates in Rate Pete, Klob, Slow Joe (unless he drops) and adding in the Little Oligarch battling for the same slice of voters. None of them are taking anyone from the Bernie base, and even if you believe Bernie isn't gaining momentum (which you'd have to be just ignorantly ignoring national polls to believe) you've got 4 candidates trying to split up whatever % of the vote is left that can be moved. There will be some states none of them hit 15%, and some that only 1 or 2 of them reach it but it almost certainly won't be the same 1 or 2 in every state. So Bernie will just rack up delegates across the board while you end up with each of those 4 probably getting a pretty similar but small amount of delegates. This is a disaster scenario to find a way to actually have someone legitimately "win" over Bernie. There maybe still would be time to do it if literally today everyone but 1 centrist candidate dropped out, but that will not happen no one is dropping before Nevada and the only person I could see finally giving in after that is Warren. There is no realistic scenario anyone but Bernie can hit the number to win, so it's either going to be Bernie as the nominee or they have to commit party seppuku to stop it. That's why Carville is losing his damn mind, because while he clearly is completely out of touch with what people want (since he endorsed I think UVA's Coach Bennett) he can see there's no way to stop this disaster for the establishment scum like him. These bloodsuckers are screwed and they deserve it.

Just like IA and NH, at least 3 will be viable in every state, 2 of which aren't sanders. He "loses" every state in such a situation, because the goal is to just keep him below 50% by the end.

After every state, he's going to get further and further from 50%. After Super Tuesday, he's going to need like 60+% of the remaining delegates, and the other 2-3 that remain viable aren't going to go anywhere, because they know not only will they control a majority of pledged delegates at the convention, but also 100% of the super-delegates.

Carville is upset because he knows the party is in a lose-lose situation. Either, sanders is the nominee, where 75% of previously guaranteed votes are now at risk, and it's a down-ballot catastrophe, or they have to steal it from him, and 25% of the party will stay at home/cast protest votes.

So for all this rambling you've been doing over and over again you essentially just came to the same conclusion I made at the end of my post?

I guess. I honestly don’t even read the entirety of your posts.
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(02-14-2020 02:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/sanders-has-...ers-party/

And Bernie has advocated for full fledged socialism in the past.

WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

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(02-14-2020 02:23 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 01:53 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  So what does he think he is?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/...index.html

Seriously, are you that dumb? A guy that touts Cuban and Russian "Socialist" policies and then to make everyone in the US feel better he throws the word "Democratic" in front of it and hopes that the idiots will fall for the repackaging. I guess he found at least one.

Step away from the GOP talking points dude. 03-yawn

He's not a "Socialist" because he does not advocate the US government take over the means of the production...you know...Socialism. And spare me...we have several Socialist policies in America currently and they work just fine when combined with Capitalism policies.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...-the-1980s

Just dropping that for your intellectually dishonest self.

W.E....like I said...GOP talking point.

And I hate to break this to you, but its now 2020. trump used to be pro choice dude. 03-lol
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(02-14-2020 02:56 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs defending Bernie's policies is really fun to read.

Perhaps you can point to any post here where someone defended his policies?

I only stated the fact that he's not, in fact, a Socialist...or a Communist.
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(02-14-2020 03:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:56 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs defending Bernie's policies is really fun to read.

Perhaps you can point to any post here where someone defended his policies?

I only stated the fact that he's not, in fact, a Socialist...or a Communist.

"Do they think I’m afraid of the word? I’m not afraid of the word," he said in an interview with The Nation published in July. "When I ran for the Senate the first time, I ran against the wealthiest guy in the state of Vermont. He spent a lot on advertising — very ugly stuff. He kept attacking me as a liberal. He didn’t use the word ‘socialist’ at all, because everybody in the state knows that I am that." - BERNIE SANDERS
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(02-14-2020 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/sanders-has-...ers-party/

And Bernie has advocated for full fledged socialism in the past.

WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

03-lmfao 03-rotfl

What part of the article is incorrect?
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(02-14-2020 03:54 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/sanders-has-...ers-party/

And Bernie has advocated for full fledged socialism in the past.

WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

03-lmfao 03-rotfl

What part of the article is incorrect?

Who knows...WND is one step away from the Onion and in direct alignment with Infowars. Nobody with any intelligence even clicks on that site.
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I thought he was a socialist 04-coffee I can't keep track. Or was he a Democratic Socialist? Or was he a capitalist in socialistic sheeps clothing? So confused.
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(02-14-2020 03:57 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I thought he was a socialist 04-coffee I can't keep track. Or was he a Democratic Socialist? Or was he a capitalist in socialistic sheeps clothing? So confused.

The words are sort of interchangeable according to actual democrat socialists. Regardless, his policy proposals are not full-blown Socialist policies, but rather include capitalism as well.

We'd do much better in this country if we judged policies on their effectiveness rather than their perceived label.
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If we already have socialism under Trump and it's working so well, why do we need Bernie?

And:





No walls
Free medical, food, housing, welfare and social programs for illegals

But Americans can pay higher taxes and die in the ditches of the roads they built; while they watch illegals eat the food that they produced

Am I missing anything?

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(02-14-2020 03:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 03:54 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 02:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/sanders-has-...ers-party/

And Bernie has advocated for full fledged socialism in the past.

WND? Seriously...that's still a thing?

03-lmfao 03-rotfl

What part of the article is incorrect?

Who knows...WND is one step away from the Onion and in direct alignment with Infowars. Nobody with any intelligence even clicks on that site.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/...index.html

CNN meet your stringent requirements?
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