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(03-05-2020 09:48 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 07:53 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I am a Kenpom nut, and love the efficiency evals, but what is being discussed here is actually the only flaw Kenpom has. There are certain coaches that have a philosophy that allows their teams to be playing their best basketball come tournament time. This is how Tom Izzo lives his coaching life. I'll never forget when Denzel Valentine sat "due to injury". The guy was never hurt, but it helped that team understand how to win without their leader. They got better as the year went on, and they made a run in the tournament. I would not say Tony Bennett is that guy. The difference in UVA right now, is the play of Jay Huff.

Last night was a good example. They won by 2 points(on the road) vs. a team rated as 105. Give credit for wins, but a top 25 team? I don't see it. They can't score. They don't shoot well.

They held the other team to a mere 44 points (I too can give one-sided arguments)
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(03-05-2020 07:53 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I am a Kenpom nut, and love the efficiency evals, but what is being discussed here is actually the only flaw Kenpom has. There are certain coaches that have a philosophy that allows their teams to be playing their best basketball come tournament time. This is how Tom Izzo lives his coaching life. I'll never forget when Denzel Valentine sat "due to injury". The guy was never hurt, but it helped that team understand how to win without their leader. They got better as the year went on, and they made a run in the tournament. I would not say Tony Bennett is that guy. The difference in UVA right now, is the play of Jay Huff.

And Woldetensae. Early in the season they were awful because they were like 350 in 3 point %. Once Tomas started hitting some shots it changed everything. They have a decent pg, two solid bigs, one of whom is very good, a good garbage guy in Key. They have the makings of a solid team, but everything was clogged up because they did not have one dude who could make a 3 pointer.
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RE: North Texas
(03-05-2020 09:48 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 07:53 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I am a Kenpom nut, and love the efficiency evals, but what is being discussed here is actually the only flaw Kenpom has. There are certain coaches that have a philosophy that allows their teams to be playing their best basketball come tournament time. This is how Tom Izzo lives his coaching life. I'll never forget when Denzel Valentine sat "due to injury". The guy was never hurt, but it helped that team understand how to win without their leader. They got better as the year went on, and they made a run in the tournament. I would not say Tony Bennett is that guy. The difference in UVA right now, is the play of Jay Huff.

Last night was a good example. They won by 2 points(on the road) vs. a team rated as 105. Give credit for wins, but a top 25 team? I don't see it. They can't score. They don't shoot well.

Are you referring to the game that was their tenth win in their last eleven? Or the game that was their 7th win in a row?
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(03-05-2020 10:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 09:48 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 07:53 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I am a Kenpom nut, and love the efficiency evals, but what is being discussed here is actually the only flaw Kenpom has. There are certain coaches that have a philosophy that allows their teams to be playing their best basketball come tournament time. This is how Tom Izzo lives his coaching life. I'll never forget when Denzel Valentine sat "due to injury". The guy was never hurt, but it helped that team understand how to win without their leader. They got better as the year went on, and they made a run in the tournament. I would not say Tony Bennett is that guy. The difference in UVA right now, is the play of Jay Huff.

Last night was a good example. They won by 2 points(on the road) vs. a team rated as 105. Give credit for wins, but a top 25 team? I don't see it. They can't score. They don't shoot well.

Are you referring to the game that was their tenth win in their last eleven? Or the game that was their 7th win in a row?

+1 LMAO.

Doesnt matter, they're no good...01-wingedeagle
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RE: North Texas
(03-05-2020 09:48 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 07:53 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I am a Kenpom nut, and love the efficiency evals, but what is being discussed here is actually the only flaw Kenpom has. There are certain coaches that have a philosophy that allows their teams to be playing their best basketball come tournament time. This is how Tom Izzo lives his coaching life. I'll never forget when Denzel Valentine sat "due to injury". The guy was never hurt, but it helped that team understand how to win without their leader. They got better as the year went on, and they made a run in the tournament. I would not say Tony Bennett is that guy. The difference in UVA right now, is the play of Jay Huff.

Last night was a good example. They won by 2 points(on the road) vs. a team rated as 105. Give credit for wins, but a top 25 team? I don't see it. They can't score. They don't shoot well.

I count any top 100 road win as a good win. Miami was right on the edge of the top 100 and could end up there by end of season. Plus what the other posters said - 7 in a row and 10 of 11. Not sure why you are so set on this battle.
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(03-05-2020 10:21 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 09:48 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 07:53 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I am a Kenpom nut, and love the efficiency evals, but what is being discussed here is actually the only flaw Kenpom has. There are certain coaches that have a philosophy that allows their teams to be playing their best basketball come tournament time. This is how Tom Izzo lives his coaching life. I'll never forget when Denzel Valentine sat "due to injury". The guy was never hurt, but it helped that team understand how to win without their leader. They got better as the year went on, and they made a run in the tournament. I would not say Tony Bennett is that guy. The difference in UVA right now, is the play of Jay Huff.

Last night was a good example. They won by 2 points(on the road) vs. a team rated as 105. Give credit for wins, but a top 25 team? I don't see it. They can't score. They don't shoot well.

They held the other team to a mere 44 points (I too can give one-sided arguments)

Yeah, they have a great defense, no doubt.
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I can’t believe y’all have argued this for a month. Of course it’s on the thread of our worst game. Haha, that figures. I’ll chime in this once

Virginia has an amazing program. Defending champs. Given that they’ve been a one seed three or four times now, this isn’t one of their better teams. They still play great defense. But they are somewhat inexperienced and have struggled offensively but showing improvement in this area. It’s hard to just look at point totals because they play the lowest possession games in all of division 1, by far. They are probably somewhere between 20-35 in terms of national ranking IMO.

But let’s also acknowledge the ACC is ridiculously bad this year. This is the worst I have seen the ACC in 30 years. UVA has certainly capitalized on the ineptitude of the conference with their extremely disciplined and deliberate style. If it were a different year they would of certainly lost more of these one possession games. Almost every team is down out of the 15 teams. Fla St and Louisville are just about the only programs that aren’t down this year. And both those programs have been good for a while now. Really weird year for the ACC.
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(03-05-2020 02:32 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I can’t believe y’all have argued this for a month. Of course it’s on the thread of our worst game. Haha, that figures. I’ll chime in this once

Virginia has an amazing program. Defending champs. Given that they’ve been a one seed three or four times now, this isn’t one of their better teams. They still play great defense. But they are somewhat inexperienced and have struggled offensively but showing improvement in this area. It’s hard to just look at point totals because they play the lowest possession games in all of division 1, by far. They are probably somewhere between 20-35 in terms of national ranking IMO.

But let’s also acknowledge the ACC is ridiculously bad this year. This is the worst I have seen the ACC in 30 years. UVA has certainly capitalized on the ineptitude of the conference with their extremely disciplined and deliberate style. If it were a different year they would of certainly lost more of these one possession games. Almost every team is down out of the 15 teams. Fla St and Louisville are just about the only programs that aren’t down this year. And both those programs have been good for a while now. Really weird year for the ACC.

Agree with the majority....think 20-30 is too low for them but we all have opinions.

Point totals are always down for UVA because of how slow they play. But, that doesn't negate all of their offensive problems.

Last night they put up 0.79 per possession. 0.83 vs. Duke. .97 vs VT. .92 vs Pitt. 1.3 vs. BC. 1.02 vs. UNC. .78 vs ND. etc. They just can't score this year. Defense is amazing but in years past they could score when they needed to.
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RE: North Texas
(03-05-2020 05:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 02:32 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I can’t believe y’all have argued this for a month. Of course it’s on the thread of our worst game. Haha, that figures. I’ll chime in this once

Virginia has an amazing program. Defending champs. Given that they’ve been a one seed three or four times now, this isn’t one of their better teams. They still play great defense. But they are somewhat inexperienced and have struggled offensively but showing improvement in this area. It’s hard to just look at point totals because they play the lowest possession games in all of division 1, by far. They are probably somewhere between 20-35 in terms of national ranking IMO.

But let’s also acknowledge the ACC is ridiculously bad this year. This is the worst I have seen the ACC in 30 years. UVA has certainly capitalized on the ineptitude of the conference with their extremely disciplined and deliberate style. If it were a different year they would of certainly lost more of these one possession games. Almost every team is down out of the 15 teams. Fla St and Louisville are just about the only programs that aren’t down this year. And both those programs have been good for a while now. Really weird year for the ACC.

Agree with the majority....think 20-30 is too low for them but we all have opinions.

Point totals are always down for UVA because of how slow they play. But, that doesn't negate all of their offensive problems.

Last night they put up 0.79 per possession. 0.83 vs. Duke. .97 vs VT. .92 vs Pitt. 1.3 vs. BC. 1.02 vs. UNC. .78 vs ND. etc. They just can't score this year. Defense is amazing but in years past they could score when they needed to.
11 out of 12. Eight in a row. Wins over Duke, Louisville, FSU in that streak. Ready to accept that UVA is a good team yet?

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Good win. They might be worthy of discussion into top 25
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It’s funny cause UVA is just soo well coached and soo disciplined. Their players are gifted and smart. A lot of 4 star types. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got a 4 seed in the NCAA tournament. Even with all that being said, wouldn’t be surprised at all if they got knocked out and upset again in the first round. They just play in a way where they could get beat by anyone. Every game they play is close. They are very good but just also susceptible to an upset.
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(03-07-2020 07:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Good win. They might be worthy of discussion into top 25

Ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
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(03-07-2020 11:03 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(03-07-2020 07:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Good win. They might be worthy of discussion into top 25

Ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

Ever get tired of being creepy responding to someone you know has you blocked? Guess not.
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(03-07-2020 11:03 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(03-07-2020 07:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Good win. They might be worthy of discussion into top 25

Ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

Ever get tired of being creepy responding to someone you know has you blocked? Guess not.

Why are you still allowed to post?
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(03-07-2020 11:53 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(03-07-2020 11:07 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  
(03-07-2020 11:03 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(03-07-2020 07:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Good win. They might be worthy of discussion into top 25

Ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

Ever get tired of being creepy responding to someone you know has you blocked? Guess not.

Why are you still allowed to post?

And why are you still allowed to be a troll on this site?
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(03-07-2020 07:49 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  It’s funny cause UVA is just soo well coached and soo disciplined. Their players are gifted and smart. A lot of 4 star types. I wouldn’t be surprised if they got a 4 seed in the NCAA tournament. Even with all that being said, wouldn’t be surprised at all if they got knocked out and upset again in the first round. They just play in a way where they could get beat by anyone. Every game they play is close. They are very good but just also susceptible to an upset.

That would be surprising. The rating that has them the highest is Sagarrin ratings (21). NET has them at 42, KenPom at 44.

If they ran the table in the ACC tourney, they might get a 4. Right now, they are probably a 6; maybe a 7. The ACC is crumbling:

Duke- 2 or 3
FSU- 2
Louisville 4
UVA- 6

I don't think they get a 5th team in. Maybe NC State if they win 2 games in the ACC tourney.
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