(02-16-2020 01:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  i wish we could have kept jones

If he left because he didn't see any playing time, he's probably kicking himself now.

(02-16-2020 02:15 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 01:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  i wish we could have kept jones

If he left because he didn't see any playing time, he's probably kicking himself now.

there was more to it than that

(02-16-2020 02:15 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 01:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  i wish we could have kept jones

If he left because he didn't see any playing time, he's probably kicking himself now.

Pushed out

Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Ball has to be in Boogies hands. Our offense is terrible when anybody else is running the point.

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Absolutely. When Alo is running the offense, everyone else stands around & they are reluctant or afraid to initiate offensively. Alo at the point makes no one else on the floor better & he's not good enough to consistently get it done himself.

(02-16-2020 02:15 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 01:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  i wish we could have kept jones

If he left because he didn't see any playing time, he's probably kicking himself now.

He didn’t qualify academically anyway, iirc.
But yeah he’d be great to have on the floor.

(02-16-2020 05:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Absolutely. When Alo is running the offense, everyone else stands around & they are reluctant or afraid to initiate offensively. Alo at the point makes no one else on the floor better & he's not good enough to consistently get it done himself.

That is not true...

Alo does facilitate offense. He leads the team in assists. Your crusade against to the little guards is beginning to cloud your judgement.

Baugh is better defensively but far inferior to Lomax on the offensive end of the floor right now and makes TERRIBLE decisions at times. When your offense is struggling you have to play the better offensive players and that is either Lomax or Tyler ahead of Baugh.

Now yesterday I thought he should have played Thomas and Tyler instead of Tyler and Lomax because the floor needed to be spread. I think that was a huge miss by Penny at the end of that game...Tyler, Lance, Q, Boogie and Precious was the best offensive team he could have placed on the floor but he never did it.

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

ALo isn't an upperclassman.

(02-17-2020 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Absolutely. When Alo is running the offense, everyone else stands around & they are reluctant or afraid to initiate offensively. Alo at the point makes no one else on the floor better & he's not good enough to consistently get it done himself.

That is not true...

Alo does facilitate offense. He leads the team in assists. Your crusade against to the little guards is beginning to cloud your judgement.

Baugh is better defensively but far inferior to Lomax on the offensive end of the floor right now and makes TERRIBLE decisions at times. When your offense is struggling you have to play the better offensive players and that is either Lomax or Tyler ahead of Baugh.

Now yesterday I thought he should have played Thomas and Tyler instead of Tyler and Lomax because the floor needed to be spread. I think that was a huge miss by Penny at the end of that game...Tyler, Lance, Q, Boogie and Precious was the best offensive team he could have placed on the floor but he never did it.

The issue I have with this is Lomax has the fortune that his big plays stand out and kind of overwash his bad plays. But, if you actually watch what he does, he has 2-4 bad plays for every one good play. It is both on offense and defense, but it is easier to give an example on defense.

Steals... yes, when Lomax gets a steal it looks great and it is easy to jump up and cheer. But, how many screw ups came before and after that steal? A lot. He goes for the steal, loses his man, his man dribbles into the lane, the defense collapses, he kicks it out for an easy basket. It might not have been ALo's "man" that scored, but the score happened because ALo broke down the defense by going for a steal. How many fouls and how many whiffs does he do inbetween each steal? WAY TOO MANY. The same thing happens on offense, in other ways.. like his defender sagging down into the lane because they know they dont have to stick to ALo very tight. So anyone with the ball has their defender and ALos defender helping. Then when ALo does drive to the basket, it is almost always wild and out of control with way too many moves and then he hits the bottom of the rim. Doris Burke was calling him out on it the entire Cincy game. Saying over and over he should not be doing what he was trying to do.

As everyone knows I pointed out all this last season and nothing has changed. I know many people love ALo, but it isnt because he is a good basketball player.

(02-17-2020 02:32 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Absolutely. When Alo is running the offense, everyone else stands around & they are reluctant or afraid to initiate offensively. Alo at the point makes no one else on the floor better & he's not good enough to consistently get it done himself.

That is not true...

Alo does facilitate offense. He leads the team in assists. Your crusade against to the little guards is beginning to cloud your judgement.

Baugh is better defensively but far inferior to Lomax on the offensive end of the floor right now and makes TERRIBLE decisions at times. When your offense is struggling you have to play the better offensive players and that is either Lomax or Tyler ahead of Baugh.

Now yesterday I thought he should have played Thomas and Tyler instead of Tyler and Lomax because the floor needed to be spread. I think that was a huge miss by Penny at the end of that game...Tyler, Lance, Q, Boogie and Precious was the best offensive team he could have placed on the floor but he never did it.

The issue I have with this is Lomax has the fortune that his big plays stand out and kind of overwash his bad plays. But, if you actually watch what he does, he has 2-4 bad plays for every one good play. It is both on offense and defense, but it is easier to give an example on defense.

Steals... yes, when Lomax gets a steal it looks great and it is easy to jump up and cheer. But, how many screw ups came before and after that steal? A lot. He goes for the steal, loses his man, his man dribbles into the lane, the defense collapses, he kicks it out for an easy basket. It might not have been ALo's "man" that scored, but the score happened because ALo broke down the defense by going for a steal. How many fouls and how many whiffs does he do inbetween each steal? WAY TOO MANY. The same thing happens on offense, in other ways.. like his defender sagging down into the lane because they know they dont have to stick to ALo very tight. So anyone with the ball has their defender and ALos defender helping. Then when ALo does drive to the basket, it is almost always wild and out of control with way too many moves and then he hits the bottom of the rim. Doris Burke was calling him out on it the entire Cincy game. Saying over and over he should not be doing what he was trying to do.

As everyone knows I pointed out all this last season and nothing has changed. I know many people love ALo, but it isnt because he is a good basketball player.

Alo is not great...

But offensively he is better than baugh...

Defensively he is better than Harris...

As I stated I think Lance was a better choice late yesterday...Penny decided to go small which I feel was a mistake. But that is Penny's goto...When the going gets tough he goes with smalls.

(02-17-2020 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Absolutely. When Alo is running the offense, everyone else stands around & they are reluctant or afraid to initiate offensively. Alo at the point makes no one else on the floor better & he's not good enough to consistently get it done himself.

That is not true...

Alo does facilitate offense. He leads the team in assists. Your crusade against to the little guards is beginning to cloud your judgement.

Baugh is better defensively but far inferior to Lomax on the offensive end of the floor right now and makes TERRIBLE decisions at times. When your offense is struggling you have to play the better offensive players and that is either Lomax or Tyler ahead of Baugh.

Now yesterday I thought he should have played Thomas and Tyler instead of Tyler and Lomax because the floor needed to be spread. I think that was a huge miss by Penny at the end of that game...Tyler, Lance, Q, Boogie and Precious was the best offensive team he could have placed on the floor but he never did it.

UConn perimeter guys got hot with Alo & Harris on the floor because they could shoot over them. It doesn't show in the stats, no TOs but UConn was most effective & got things rolling. Talk all the stats you want but it happens with Alo & Harris on the floor. We will never win big with those two guards playing major minutes. And did you see the 2,3,4 shots UConn was getting late? Who was switching? Who was under to rebound & not blocking out?

(02-17-2020 07:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Absolutely. When Alo is running the offense, everyone else stands around & they are reluctant or afraid to initiate offensively. Alo at the point makes no one else on the floor better & he's not good enough to consistently get it done himself.

That is not true...

Alo does facilitate offense. He leads the team in assists. Your crusade against to the little guards is beginning to cloud your judgement.

Baugh is better defensively but far inferior to Lomax on the offensive end of the floor right now and makes TERRIBLE decisions at times. When your offense is struggling you have to play the better offensive players and that is either Lomax or Tyler ahead of Baugh.

Now yesterday I thought he should have played Thomas and Tyler instead of Tyler and Lomax because the floor needed to be spread. I think that was a huge miss by Penny at the end of that game...Tyler, Lance, Q, Boogie and Precious was the best offensive team he could have placed on the floor but he never did it.

UConn perimeter guys got hot with Alo & Harris on the floor because they could shoot over them. It doesn't show in the stats, no TOs but UConn was most effective & got things rolling. Talk all the stats you want but it happens with Alo & Harris on the floor. We will never win big with those two guards playing major minutes. And did you see the 2,3,4 shots UConn was getting late? Who was switching? Who was under to rebound & not blocking out?

Late we were playing Boogie, Lomax, Tyler and Q...That is on the coach if the team doesn't rebound and you are playing 4 guards.

(02-18-2020 11:05 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 07:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Absolutely. When Alo is running the offense, everyone else stands around & they are reluctant or afraid to initiate offensively. Alo at the point makes no one else on the floor better & he's not good enough to consistently get it done himself.

That is not true...

Alo does facilitate offense. He leads the team in assists. Your crusade against to the little guards is beginning to cloud your judgement.

Baugh is better defensively but far inferior to Lomax on the offensive end of the floor right now and makes TERRIBLE decisions at times. When your offense is struggling you have to play the better offensive players and that is either Lomax or Tyler ahead of Baugh.

Now yesterday I thought he should have played Thomas and Tyler instead of Tyler and Lomax because the floor needed to be spread. I think that was a huge miss by Penny at the end of that game...Tyler, Lance, Q, Boogie and Precious was the best offensive team he could have placed on the floor but he never did it.

UConn perimeter guys got hot with Alo & Harris on the floor because they could shoot over them. It doesn't show in the stats, no TOs but UConn was most effective & got things rolling. Talk all the stats you want but it happens with Alo & Harris on the floor. We will never win big with those two guards playing major minutes. And did you see the 2,3,4 shots UConn was getting late? Who was switching? Who was under to rebound & not blocking out?

Late we were playing Boogie, Lomax, Tyler and Q...That is on the coach if the team doesn't rebound and you are playing 4 guards.

Not to mention the guard that got hot for UCONN was just pulling up and shooting right over the top of our smaller guards with no fear of them being able to block his shot.

(02-16-2020 05:31 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:20 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Alo tonight:

6 turnovers.

0 points.

Offense can't thrive when this is what thes upperclassman produces. Memphis needs a true pg who can run the team.. preferably one with size

Ball has to be in Boogies hands. Our offense is terrible when anybody else is running the point.

Amen, by now he should be the finisher we need but it has taken so long to get him going again. But now it is time to give it to him late, even if he screws up, let him learn.

Small guards can be effective...Alo definitely can because he has weight. Tyler is just too physically small and other teams just seek him out on defense and go at him...Tylers only defense is to flop and hope for a call.

Auburn has had two different 6' guards just like Alo the past two years and have been extremely successful. The issue with Alo is not his size it is his skill level and the risks he takes.

Alo as a senior is going to be a very good player.

(02-18-2020 12:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Small guards can be effective...Alo definitely can because he has weight. Tyler is just too physically small and other teams just seek him out on defense and go at him...Tylers only defense is to flop and hope for a call.

Auburn has had two different 6' guards just like Alo the past two years and have been extremely successful. The issue with Alo is not his size it is his skill level and the risks he takes.

Alo as a senior is going to be a very good player.

Alo is who he is a bench player who can come in and give solid mins so guys can get some rest, but he's no more than that. Penny is trying to treat him like he is more than that right now and it's costing games.

His size is definitely a factor. If he was 6'3/6'4 he would be much better than he is right now.

Tyler if he's making shots has to be on the floor. If that means Penny has to go zone some while he's on the floor then so be it, but Tyler 100% has to be on the floor if he's making shots.

(02-18-2020 12:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Small guards can be effective...Alo definitely can because he has weight. Tyler is just too physically small and other teams just seek him out on defense and go at him...Tylers only defense is to flop and hope for a call.

Auburn has had two different 6' guards just like Alo the past two years and have been extremely successful. The issue with Alo is not his size it is his skill level and the risks he takes.

Alo as a senior is going to be a very good player.

Harper is on an NBA roster this year... Alo is not anywhere near NBA talent.

I do think that he can be an effective player so long as he is not "the guard". He is a role player and those can be immensely valuable in building a sustainable winning program. But if he is the our best guard until he graduates then we will be in trouble...

(02-18-2020 01:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 12:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Small guards can be effective...Alo definitely can because he has weight. Tyler is just too physically small and other teams just seek him out on defense and go at him...Tylers only defense is to flop and hope for a call.

Auburn has had two different 6' guards just like Alo the past two years and have been extremely successful. The issue with Alo is not his size it is his skill level and the risks he takes.

Alo as a senior is going to be a very good player.

Harper is on an NBA roster this year... Alo is not anywhere near NBA talent.

I do think that he can be an effective player so long as he is not "the guard". He is a role player and those can be immensely valuable in building a sustainable winning program. But if he is the our best guard until he graduates then we will be in trouble...

My point bring up the Auburn guards is it is not a height issue...

Alo is the same height as Chris Paul...Nowhere near the skillset but same height and probably a little thicker. His size is not what is hindering his ability...6' guards can be very effective.

(02-18-2020 04:33 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 01:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 12:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Small guards can be effective...Alo definitely can because he has weight. Tyler is just too physically small and other teams just seek him out on defense and go at him...Tylers only defense is to flop and hope for a call.

Where do you get Alo being 6'? I'm pretty sure he us 5'9". That's a big difference.


Auburn has had two different 6' guards just like Alo the past two years and have been extremely successful. The issue with Alo is not his size it is his skill level and the risks he takes.

Alo as a senior is going to be a very good player.

Harper is on an NBA roster this year... Alo is not anywhere near NBA talent.

I do think that he can be an effective player so long as he is not "the guard". He is a role player and those can be immensely valuable in building a sustainable winning program. But if he is the our best guard until he graduates then we will be in trouble...

My point bring up the Auburn guards is it is not a height issue...

Alo is the same height as Chris Paul...Nowhere near the skillset but same height and probably a little thicker. His size is not what is hindering his ability...6' guards can be very effective.