(02-21-2020 01:39 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Southwest Conference Redux. (Given instant Power Conference status in all sports. Because reasons.)

Acadian
Arkansas (Former SWC member; currently in SEC)
Arkansas State
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana Tech
Memphis (AAC, which was AQ before start of CFP era.)
Oklahoma State (Former SWC and Big 8 member; currently in Big Xii.)
Tulane (Former SEC member)

Lone Star
Houston (Former SWC member; currently in AAC, which was AQ before start of CFP era.)
Lamar
North Texas
Rice (Former SWC member; currently in AAC)
SMU (Former SWC member; currently in AAC, which was AQ before start of CFP era.)
Texas State
UTSA

I think this conference would do pretty well. Thoughts?

I like it very close footprint, maybe get rid of some of the Texas teams and widen the layout.

NEW METRO CONFERENCE

(all East of Mississippi River Schools (exc one) named for their City or Town)

5 Privates; 5 Publics

10 States

Boston College
Syracuse
Miami
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Auburn
Clemson
Houston

(02-17-2020 05:59 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 05:51 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Ohio
Western Michigan
Northern Illinois
Miami Ohio
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee St
Marshall
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Temple
Buffalo
Cincinnati

Assuming P5 off-limits, something like this.

Assume nothing! The only rules are you make the rules (OK they have to be Div. 1 schools)!

I am kinda wishing that the 1978 and 1982 rules that actually split conferences up that hurt schools like West Texas A&M, Wichita State, Lamar, McNeese State, Hardin-Simmons and UTA. Some downgraded while a couple dropped football. West Texas A&M was West Texas State when they were 1A/FBS beginning in 1978 part of MVC with schools like Tulsa and New Mexico State. If they stayed in D1 for several more years? Would the SWC still a FBS conference with them coming on board? They would pair nicely with UTEP when UTEP are really on an island.

(02-21-2020 08:35 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 01:39 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Southwest Conference Redux. (Given instant Power Conference status in all sports. Because reasons.)

Acadian
Arkansas (Former SWC member; currently in SEC)
Arkansas State
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana Tech
Memphis (AAC, which was AQ before start of CFP era.)
Oklahoma State (Former SWC and Big 8 member; currently in Big Xii.)
Tulane (Former SEC member)

Lone Star
Houston (Former SWC member; currently in AAC, which was AQ before start of CFP era.)
Lamar
North Texas
Rice (Former SWC member; currently in AAC)
SMU (Former SWC member; currently in AAC, which was AQ before start of CFP era.)
Texas State
UTSA

I think this conference would do pretty well. Thoughts?

I like it very close footprint, maybe get rid of some of the Texas teams and widen the layout.

Thanks. The whole point was to have a conference where at least half the members belonged to a Power conference at some point in their history. I think I achieved that here.

That said. I'll make a compromise SWC where I substitute Lamar, North Texas, and UTSA for the following teams: Tulsa, Kansas, and Kansas State. Therefore, they could be divided into North and South divisions, and the layout gets expanded north into Kansas.

SWC (with Kansas Big 12 teams and Tulsa):

North
Arkansas
Arkansas State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
Oklahoma State
Tulsa

South
Houston
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana Tech
Rice
SMU
Texas State
Tulane

Makes for a good football-first conference with some good hoops, too. (Besides, I just can't separate the teams that were at one point members of the SWC during its existence. Only Oklahoma State had moved on by the time Houston joined the league, but most of the other actual SWC schools included in this dream conference played each other for at least thirteen years. So I couldn't split them up. And furthermore, the basis of the first iteration of my new SWC came from this fake news thread I wrote last year. I feel like I could've won the contest if I had made it a little more realistic, i guess. lol)

MAC-12 plus 4 for basketball:

Saint Louis
Illinois Chicago
Milwaukee
IUPUI

Good academics and with 16 in basketball the MAC would have A10 type saturation for the sport in the Midwest.

Play a 18 game basketball schedule. Every team 1 time for a total of 15 games then break the conference into quads for the round robin opponent.

1-4
5-8
9-12
13-16

This way if a program does a VCU finishing in the Top 4 every year they get a SOS boost only going double round robin within the Top 4. It would hurt the bottom 4 of the league but the trade off at the top is worth it.

(02-21-2020 08:58 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  NEW METRO CONFERENCE

(all East of Mississippi River Schools (exc one) named for their City or Town)

5 Privates; 5 Publics

10 States

Boston College
Syracuse
Miami
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Auburn
Clemson
Houston

Clemson isn't named after the city. The town of Calhoun change dit;s name to Clemson in 1943.

This is the "Power 64" if college basketball was king instead of college football.

The criteria is # of NCAA Tournament wins 2000-2019 with exception that "First Four" wins don't count (why reward those?) The "Mendoza" Line was 5 wins but because 65 teams had 5 or more wins, one team had to be bumped out so that team was Tulsa since they had the fewest number of NCAA appearances in those 20 years.

8 divisions of 8. Number of wins listed after each team.

Big Ten
Michigan State 46
Wisconsin 33
Ohio State 22
Michigan 19
Purdue 19
Illinois 17
Indiana 14
Notre Dame 13
Total 183

SEC
Kentucky 45
Florida 38
Louisville 28
Memphis 16
Tennessee 15
Florida State 9
Auburn 8
Alabama 6
Total 165

ACC
North Carolina 50
Duke 49
Maryland 21
Virginia 14
NC State 9
Georgia Tech 7
Miami, Fla 7
Wake Forest 6
Total 163

Pacific
Gonzaga 31
Arizona 30
UCLA 27
Oregon 20
Stanford 11
Washington 9
USC 7
San Diego State 6
Total 141

Big East:
Connecticut 33
Syracuse 30
Villanova 28
Pittsburgh 16
Georgetown 11
Temple 6
Boston College 6
St. Joseph's 5
Total 135

Big 12
Kansas 50
Wichita State 11
Iowa State 11
LSU 9
Missouri 9
Kansas State 9
Vanderbilt 5
S. Illinois 5
Total 109

Atlantic 10 (lack of a better name)
Butler 22
Xavier 22
West Virginia 18
Marquette 13
Cincinnati 12
Va. Commonwealth 8
George Mason 5
Dayton 5
Total 105

SWC
Oklahoma 20
Texas 19
Oklahoma State 11
Texas Tech 11
Baylor 11
Texas A&M 10
Utah 7
Nevada 6
Total 95

There were a few oddball placements to keep 8 balanced divisions. North Carolina and Duke are in the same division but the Big Ten is the top division based on wins as all eight teams have at least 13 wins. The SEC looks a lot better without the deadweight (plus Louisville was added). The Pacific didn't do as bad as I would expect, they actually outdid the Big East. The "A-10" mainly became a leftover division as was the SWC division. I wanted to put the Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas schools together but there were too many.

This will show you which of the current P5 teams are dead weight in college basketball. Hey, you had 20 years to win 5 NCAA Tournament games.

If you had to do 16's, ACC-Big Ten, Big East-A-10, SEC-Big 12, Pacific-SWC.

(02-26-2020 06:22 AM)schmolik Wrote:  This is the "Power 64" if college basketball was king instead of college football.

The criteria is # of NCAA Tournament wins 2000-2019 with exception that "First Four" wins don't count (why reward those?) The "Mendoza" Line was 5 wins but because 65 teams had 5 or more wins, one team had to be bumped out so that team was Tulsa since they had the fewest number of NCAA appearances in those 20 years.

8 divisions of 8. Number of wins listed after each team.

Big Ten
Michigan State 46
Wisconsin 33
Ohio State 22
Michigan 19
Purdue 19
Illinois 17
Indiana 14
Notre Dame 13
Total 183

SEC
Kentucky 45
Florida 38
Louisville 28
Memphis 16
Tennessee 15
Florida State 9
Auburn 8
Alabama 6
Total 165

ACC
North Carolina 50
Duke 49
Maryland 21
Virginia 14
NC State 9
Georgia Tech 7
Miami, Fla 7
Wake Forest 6
Total 163

Pacific
Gonzaga 31
Arizona 30
UCLA 27
Oregon 20
Stanford 11
Washington 9
USC 7
San Diego State 6
Total 141

Big East:
Connecticut 33
Syracuse 30
Villanova 28
Pittsburgh 16
Georgetown 11
Temple 6
Boston College 6
St. Joseph's 5
Total 135

Big 12
Kansas 50
Wichita State 11
Iowa State 11
LSU 9
Missouri 9
Kansas State 9
Vanderbilt 5
S. Illinois 5
Total 109

Atlantic 10 (lack of a better name)
Butler 22
Xavier 22
West Virginia 18
Marquette 13
Cincinnati 12
Va. Commonwealth 8
George Mason 5
Dayton 5
Total 105

SWC
Oklahoma 20
Texas 19
Oklahoma State 11
Texas Tech 11
Baylor 11
Texas A&M 10
Utah 7
Nevada 6
Total 95

There were a few oddball placements to keep 8 balanced divisions. North Carolina and Duke are in the same division but the Big Ten is the top division based on wins as all eight teams have at least 13 wins. The SEC looks a lot better without the deadweight (plus Louisville was added). The Pacific didn't do as bad as I would expect, they actually outdid the Big East. The "A-10" mainly became a leftover division as was the SWC division. I wanted to put the Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas schools together but there were too many.

This will show you which of the current P5 teams are dead weight in college basketball. Hey, you had 20 years to win 5 NCAA Tournament games.

If you had to do 16's, ACC-Big Ten, Big East-A-10, SEC-Big 12, Pacific-SWC.

How in the hell is Cincinnati and West Virginia, two football playing schools, going to be a in a conference with a bunch of basketball schools? Are they supposed to go Indy for football?

(02-26-2020 09:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 06:22 AM)schmolik Wrote:  This is the "Power 64" if college basketball was king instead of college football.

The criteria is # of NCAA Tournament wins 2000-2019 with exception that "First Four" wins don't count (why reward those?) The "Mendoza" Line was 5 wins but because 65 teams had 5 or more wins, one team had to be bumped out so that team was Tulsa since they had the fewest number of NCAA appearances in those 20 years.

8 divisions of 8. Number of wins listed after each team.

Big Ten
Michigan State 46
Wisconsin 33
Ohio State 22
Michigan 19
Purdue 19
Illinois 17
Indiana 14
Notre Dame 13
Total 183

SEC
Kentucky 45
Florida 38
Louisville 28
Memphis 16
Tennessee 15
Florida State 9
Auburn 8
Alabama 6
Total 165

ACC
North Carolina 50
Duke 49
Maryland 21
Virginia 14
NC State 9
Georgia Tech 7
Miami, Fla 7
Wake Forest 6
Total 163

Pacific
Gonzaga 31
Arizona 30
UCLA 27
Oregon 20
Stanford 11
Washington 9
USC 7
San Diego State 6
Total 141

Big East:
Connecticut 33
Syracuse 30
Villanova 28
Pittsburgh 16
Georgetown 11
Temple 6
Boston College 6
St. Joseph's 5
Total 135

Big 12
Kansas 50
Wichita State 11
Iowa State 11
LSU 9
Missouri 9
Kansas State 9
Vanderbilt 5
S. Illinois 5
Total 109

Atlantic 10 (lack of a better name)
Butler 22
Xavier 22
West Virginia 18
Marquette 13
Cincinnati 12
Va. Commonwealth 8
George Mason 5
Dayton 5
Total 105

SWC
Oklahoma 20
Texas 19
Oklahoma State 11
Texas Tech 11
Baylor 11
Texas A&M 10
Utah 7
Nevada 6
Total 95

There were a few oddball placements to keep 8 balanced divisions. North Carolina and Duke are in the same division but the Big Ten is the top division based on wins as all eight teams have at least 13 wins. The SEC looks a lot better without the deadweight (plus Louisville was added). The Pacific didn't do as bad as I would expect, they actually outdid the Big East. The "A-10" mainly became a leftover division as was the SWC division. I wanted to put the Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas schools together but there were too many.

This will show you which of the current P5 teams are dead weight in college basketball. Hey, you had 20 years to win 5 NCAA Tournament games.

If you had to do 16's, ACC-Big Ten, Big East-A-10, SEC-Big 12, Pacific-SWC.

How in the hell is Cincinnati and West Virginia, two football playing schools, going to be a in a conference with a bunch of basketball schools? Are they supposed to go Indy for football?

Big East since Villanova plays FCS and St. Joseph's doesn't play football.

(02-24-2020 11:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 08:58 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  NEW METRO CONFERENCE

(all East of Mississippi River Schools (exc one) named for their City or Town)

5 Privates; 5 Publics

10 States

Boston College
Syracuse
Miami
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Auburn
Clemson
Houston

Clemson isn't named after the city. The town of Calhoun change dit;s name to Clemson in 1943.

Yep, University was named after Individual (Thomas Clemson). City/Town of Clemson was renamed from Calhoun (John Calhoun) to Clemson. Both city REnamed and university named after same individual (Thomas Clemson).

(02-24-2020 11:25 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 08:58 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  NEW METRO CONFERENCE

(all East of Mississippi River Schools (exc one) named for their City or Town)

5 Privates; 5 Publics

10 States

Boston College
Syracuse
Miami
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Auburn
Clemson
Houston

Clemson isn't named after the city. The town of Calhoun change dit;s name to Clemson in 1943.

Yep, University was named after Individual (Thomas Clemson). City/Town of Clemson was renamed from Calhoun (John Calhoun) to Clemson. Both city REnamed and university named after same individual (Thomas Clemson).

How about a private school BBall conference that would rule the sport?

Villanova
Duke
Cuse
Georgetown
Vandy
Wake
Marquette
DePaul
Creighton
Notre Dame
Butler
Seton Hall
St. John's
Providence
Xavier
BC

Would stretch from the Mid-Atlantic up through new England and out through the Mid-West into the great plains.

Shifting a bunch of teams around so the conferences make more sense geographically and improve. I managed to get the power 5 conferences to 10 members each with the AAC & MWC at 12. I didn't do CUSA, MAC or Sunbelt. In alphabetical order:

ACC
Cincinnati (NEW)
Clemson
Duke
FSU
NC State
Pitt
UNC
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia (NEW)

BIG 10
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin

BIG 12
Air Force (NEW)
Baylor
Iowa State
Nebraska (NEW)
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M (NEW)
Texas Tech

PAC 12
Arizona
Arizona State
Oregon
San Diego State (NEW)
Stanford
Ucal
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisville (NEW)
LSU
Ole Miss
South Carolina
UCF (NEW)

AAC
Arkansas (NEW)
Houston
Maryland (NEW)
Memphis
Miami (NEW)
Mississippi State (NEW)
Missouri (NEW)
Navy
Purdue (NEW)
Tennessee (NEW)
USF
Wake Forest (NEW)

MWC
Boise State
Colorado (NEW)
Colorado State
Fresno State
Kansas (NEW)
Kansas State (NEW)
Nevada
Oregon State (NEW)
SMU (NEW)
UNLV
Utah (NEW)
Utah State

Teams removed from the above conferences:
Boston College
ECU
Georgia Tech
Hawaii
New Mexico
Rutgers
San Jose State
Syracuse
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
Uconn
Vanderbilt
Wyoming

Cincinnati
Connecticut
Georgetown
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Seton Hall
St. John’s
Syracuse
Temple
Villanova

Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State

Syracuse
Pitt
Penn State

Maryland
West Virginia
Virginia Tech

Virginia
North Carolina
Duke

Play 2 teams from the other 3 pods and your own pod.

SEC

SED: Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky

SWD: Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State

(02-26-2020 08:39 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Cincinnati
Connecticut
Georgetown
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Seton Hall
St. John’s
Syracuse
Temple
Villanova

That's not bad... my ideal conference would have a quadrant of UC, Louisville, Pitt and West Virginia. That Ohio River contingent is an underrated hotbed and was a strong force in the 2005-2012 Big East both on the field and with TV ratings. Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn certainly makes sense as well.

JMU
Marshall
App State
ECU
Georgia Southern
Temple
ODU
UMass
Army
UConn*
VCU (no FB)
George Mason (no FB)

* = If UConn is football only, then add Davidson (no FB)

SoCon/SmallCon version 5.0

Campbell
Elon
Davidson
Furman
Wofford
Mercer
Samford
Charleston Southern
Gardner Webb
High Point*
Belmont*

*Basketball Only

(02-26-2020 05:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  How about a private school BBall conference that would rule the sport?

Villanova
Duke
Cuse
Georgetown
Vandy
Wake
Marquette
DePaul
Creighton
Notre Dame
Butler
Seton Hall
St. John's
Providence
Xavier
BC

Would stretch from the Mid-Atlantic up through new England and out through the Mid-West into the great plains.

Sign me up.