If you guys want to get serious about this proposal then 36 should be your goal for the number of schools and 4 divisions of 9 would be the way to go. The divisions retain historic branding with minor alterations:

ACC: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SWC: Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Big 9: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Boston College, Syracuse and Notre Dame become part of the Big 10 dominion. (If they want Pitt they have to trade Maryland back for them, one AAU for another.)

You move to 4 divisional champs appearing in the CFB playoffs to produce a champion to face the champion of the PAC/Big10/Remnants for the National Championship.

Every school plays their 8 and 1 from each of the other divisions which can be a permanent rival if they wish or a rotating one.

Take the 12 PAC schools, the 14 Big 10 schools and the 3 service academies and Boston College, Syracuse and Notre Dame and they have 32. They can break into 4 divisions of 8 and do the same.

We have 68 schools in the upper tier (adding only the historic academies) and that's your upper tier.

Big 10 becomes this:

Big East: Army, Boston College, Maryland, Navy, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Big 10: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin.

Mountain: Air Force, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Utah

PAC: California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Oregon State, Southern California, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Now those are two Leagues which bargain together for contracts, but divided into more historic breakdowns with retention as much as possible of their branding.

(01-28-2020 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If you guys want to get serious about this proposal then 36 should be your goal for the number of schools and 4 divisions of 9 would be the way to go. The divisions retain historic branding with minor alterations:

ACC: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SWC: Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Big 9: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Boston College, Syracuse and Notre Dame become part of the Big 10 dominion. (If they want Pitt they have to trade Maryland back for them, one AAU for another.)

You move to 4 divisional champs appearing in the CFB playoffs to produce a champion to face the champion of the PAC/Big10/Remnants for the National Championship.

Every school plays their 8 and 1 from each of the other divisions which can be a permanent rival if they wish or a rotating one.

Take the 12 PAC schools, the 14 Big 10 schools and the 3 service academies and Boston College, Syracuse and Notre Dame and they have 32. They can break into 4 divisions of 8 and do the same.

We have 68 schools in the upper tier (adding only the historic academies) and that's your upper tier.

Big 10 becomes this:

Big East: Army, Boston College, Maryland, Navy, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Big 10: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin.

Mountain: Air Force, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Utah

PAC: California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Oregon State, Southern California, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Now those are two Leagues which bargain together for contracts, but divided into more historic breakdowns with retention as much as possible of their branding.

By far the best realignment proposal I think I've ever seen!

It’s also pure fantasy.

(01-28-2020 06:22 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It’s also pure fantasy.

Probably, but you cant get anywhere unless you have a vision and a goal to attain it.

The changing network pay models are what have broken it all up into a mess. If you form into a collective bargaining league then geographically and historically significant divisions can heal a lot of damage.

AS we move toward 2035, and what will be the statistical passing of Boomers, and into a new paradigm of having to compete for a dwindling number of students, consolidation will make a lot of sense from that standpoint. It will be a time when individual, or conference, media rights may take a downturn, and the groupings would be more economical both for the travel of minor sports teams and for fans in general. Keep the regional interest up with a well defined access for a national playoff structure and all sports retain their interest, participation, and donors.

(01-28-2020 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [b]ACC: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

That would absolutely suck. We are a combined 338-150-10 against that bunch. We would get even less national respect playing that bunch of deadbeats.

(01-28-2020 06:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [b]ACC: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

That would absolutely suck. We are a combined 338-150-10 against that bunch. We would get even less national respect playing that bunch of deadbeats.

You would be in the semi finals most years for the conference and with those 2 games and the 3 you would rotate you'd have enough SOS which by the way doesn't matter since it would be decided on the field Kap. Win and you get all the respect you need.

(01-28-2020 08:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [b]ACC: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

That would absolutely suck. We are a combined 338-150-10 against that bunch. We would get even less national respect playing that bunch of deadbeats.

You would be in the semi finals most years for the conference and with those 2 games and the 3 you would rotate you'd have enough SOS which by the way doesn't matter since it would be decided on the field Kap. Win and you get all the respect you need.

We beat an undefeated Notre Dame and the best team ever in Alabama in last year's playoffs and didn't get any respect. You know and I know that isn't how it works.

(01-28-2020 08:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [b]ACC: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

That would absolutely suck. We are a combined 338-150-10 against that bunch. We would get even less national respect playing that bunch of deadbeats.

You would be in the semi finals most years for the conference and with those 2 games and the 3 you would rotate you'd have enough SOS which by the way doesn't matter since it would be decided on the field Kap. Win and you get all the respect you need.

We beat an undefeated Notre Dame and the best team ever in Alabama in last year's playoffs and didn't get any respect. You know and I know that isn't how it works.

Did you read the post? We are talking about 2 leagues divided into 4 divisions each. Win your division and you are in the League Semi Finals. Win those two and you play for it all. There are no committees, no SOS factor, just win and advance. No respect factor necessary. You either win or you don't.

(01-28-2020 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If you guys want to get serious about this proposal then 36 should be your goal for the number of schools and 4 divisions of 9 would be the way to go. The divisions retain historic branding with minor alterations:

ACC: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Maryland

SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SWC: Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Big 9: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Kentucky

Boston College, Syracuse and Notre Dame become part of the Big 10 dominion. (If they want Pitt they have to trade Maryland back for them, one AAU for another.)

You move to 4 divisional champs appearing in the CFB playoffs to produce a champion to face the champion of the PAC/Big10/Remnants for the National Championship.

Every school plays their 8 and 1 from each of the other divisions which can be a permanent rival if they wish or a rotating one.

Take the 12 PAC schools, the 14 Big 10 schools and the 3 service academies and Boston College, Syracuse and Notre Dame and they have 32. They can break into 4 divisions of 8 and do the same.

We have 68 schools in the upper tier (adding only the historic academies) and that's your upper tier.

Big 10 becomes this:

Big East: Army, Boston College, Maryland, Navy, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt

Big 10: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin.

Mountain: Air Force, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Utah

PAC: California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Oregon State, Southern California, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Now those are two Leagues which bargain together for contracts, but divided into more historic breakdowns with retention as much as possible of their branding.

I took you up on the Pitt for Maryland trade. Moved Maryland to the ACC and Kentucky to the Big 9. Pitt slid into the Big East for Maryland.

Just say no to West Virginia. Academics. Too small a state.

Bringing this back to the OP ...

No.

Emphatic no.

Absolutely no.

(02-14-2020 10:43 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Bringing this back to the OP ...

No.

Emphatic no.

Absolutely no.

Your words say NO but your eyes visiting fan ticket sales say YES...


Obviously they are not the first choice, but they are the most realistic choice in terms of a P5 team in the ACC geographic footprint with a big fan following for football and lots of built-in rivalries. If they really have cleaned up their fan behavior (as some have claimed) they'd be a good addition to ACC football.

(02-15-2020 12:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 10:43 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Bringing this back to the OP ...

No.

Emphatic no.

Absolutely no.

Your words say NO but your eyes visiting fan ticket sales say YES...


Obviously they are not the first choice, but they are the most realistic choice in terms of a P5 team in the ACC geographic footprint with a big fan following for football and lots of built-in rivalries. If they really have cleaned up their fan behavior (as some have claimed) they'd be a good addition to ACC football.

Nah, let’s bring in VMI for the Gobblers.