(02-28-2020 09:12 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Here is how I would project out the bracket right now. Akron and BGSU as about equal favorites to win the whole thing. About a 75% chance your winner comes out of the Akron/BGSU/Kent/Buffalo pool.

Campus Site Games

#12 Miami-OH @ #5 Ball State (Projected line: Ball State by 11)
#11 Western Michigan @ #6 Kent State (Projected line: Kent State by 13)
#10 Eastern Michigan @ #7 Toledo (Projected line: Toledo by 6)
#9 Central Michigan @ @ #8 Ohio (Projected line: Ohio by 8)

Quarterfinals

#1 Bowling Green vs #9 CMU/#8 Ohio
#2 Akron vs #10 EMU/#7 Toledo
#3 Northern Illinois vs #11 Kent State/#6 WMU
#4 Buffalo vs #12 Miami-OH/#5 Ball State

Chances to win MAC Tourney

The favorites

1. Bowling Green 22.6%
2. Akron 22.4%

The contenders

3. Buffalo 16.4%
4. Kent State 13.4%

Could be dangerous

5. Ball State 7.7%
6. Toledo 6.1%
7. Northern Illinois 5.8%
8. Ohio 3.9%

The long shots

9. Eastern Michigan 1.1%
10. Central Michigan 0.3%
11. Miami-OH 0.1%
12. Western Michigan 0.1%

I feel you're a little low on your Huskies considering they should be sitting fairly pretty for a top 4 seed.

In other news, I believe BGSU can clinch the MAC regular season title this weekend with a win combined with an Akron loss. That would put them two games up with 2 to play. It would also guarantee them a better record against Buffalo, which I believe would be the tie-breaker that would come into play.

(02-28-2020 09:27 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  In other news, I believe BGSU can clinch the MAC regular season title this weekend with a win combined with an Akron loss. That would put them two games up with 2 to play. It would also guarantee them a better record against Buffalo, which I believe would be the tie-breaker that would come into play.

They split with Akron though. How would a tie be broke?

(02-28-2020 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 09:27 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  In other news, I believe BGSU can clinch the MAC regular season title this weekend with a win combined with an Akron loss. That would put them two games up with 2 to play. It would also guarantee them a better record against Buffalo, which I believe would be the tie-breaker that would come into play.

They split with Akron though. How would a tie be broke?

Below are the tie-breakers. I've bolded the one that I believe would be the one that decides it. Akron and BGSU are both undefeated against #3 seed NIU so it will move to winning % against 4th ranked MAC team. Akron is currently 0-1 against Buffalo, meanwhile, BGSU is 1-0. Akron needs to beat Buffalo and needs BGSU to lose to Buffalo so both will be 1-1 vs. Buffalo. They will keep moving down the list from top to bottom until one team has a better record against a opponent than another.

For explanation sake, lets just pencil in a Akron win vs Buffalo and a BGSU loss to Buffalo. The tie-breaker will then depend on which team finishes with a better seed between CMU and Toledo. Akron is 1-0 vs. CMU while BGSU is 0-1 so if CMU finishes better ranked than Toledo, Akron gets the 1 seed. Akron is 0-1 vs Toledo while BGSO is 2-0 so if Toledo finishes with a better rank, BGSU gets the 1 seed.

It should be noted that other scenarios exist that could decide who gets it. For example, if down the stretch BGSU loses to Buffalo and Kent, but Akron only loses to Ohio then both teams record vs Kent would come into play. All tie-breaking scenarios to favor Akron would require Akron to beat Buffalo though.

1. Between TWO teams:
A. Head-to-head competition

B. Division Record (10 games)^

C. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division, vs. common opponents regardless of the number of times played)

D. Coin flip

(02-28-2020 11:18 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 09:27 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  In other news, I believe BGSU can clinch the MAC regular season title this weekend with a win combined with an Akron loss. That would put them two games up with 2 to play. It would also guarantee them a better record against Buffalo, which I believe would be the tie-breaker that would come into play.

They split with Akron though. How would a tie be broke?

Below are the tie-breakers. I've bolded the one that I believe would be the one that decides it. Akron and BGSU are both undefeated against #3 seed NIU so it will move to winning % against 4th ranked MAC team. Akron is currently 0-1 against Buffalo, meanwhile, BGSU is 1-0. Akron needs to beat Buffalo and needs BGSU to lose to Buffalo so both will be 1-1 vs. Buffalo. They will keep moving down the list from top to bottom until one team has a better record against a opponent than another.

For explanation sake, lets just pencil in a Akron win vs Buffalo and a BGSU loss to Buffalo. The tie-breaker will then depend on which team finishes with a better seed between CMU and Toledo. Akron is 1-0 vs. CMU while BGSU is 0-1 so if CMU finishes better ranked than Toledo, Akron gets the 1 seed. Akron is 0-1 vs Toledo while BGSO is 2-0 so if Toledo finishes with a better rank, BGSU gets the 1 seed.

It should be noted that other scenarios exist that could decide who gets it. For example, if down the stretch BGSU loses to Buffalo and Kent, but Akron only loses to Ohio then both teams record vs Kent would come into play. All tie-breaking scenarios to favor Akron would require Akron to beat Buffalo though.

1. Between TWO teams:
A. Head-to-head competition

B. Division Record (10 games)^

C. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division, vs. common opponents regardless of the number of times played)

D. Coin flip

Thanks...my head hurts now.

And this only decides seeding for the tournament correct? Both teams would likely claim the regular season championship, right?

(02-28-2020 11:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 11:18 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 09:27 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  In other news, I believe BGSU can clinch the MAC regular season title this weekend with a win combined with an Akron loss. That would put them two games up with 2 to play. It would also guarantee them a better record against Buffalo, which I believe would be the tie-breaker that would come into play.

They split with Akron though. How would a tie be broke?

Below are the tie-breakers. I've bolded the one that I believe would be the one that decides it. Akron and BGSU are both undefeated against #3 seed NIU so it will move to winning % against 4th ranked MAC team. Akron is currently 0-1 against Buffalo, meanwhile, BGSU is 1-0. Akron needs to beat Buffalo and needs BGSU to lose to Buffalo so both will be 1-1 vs. Buffalo. They will keep moving down the list from top to bottom until one team has a better record against a opponent than another.

For explanation sake, lets just pencil in a Akron win vs Buffalo and a BGSU loss to Buffalo. The tie-breaker will then depend on which team finishes with a better seed between CMU and Toledo. Akron is 1-0 vs. CMU while BGSU is 0-1 so if CMU finishes better ranked than Toledo, Akron gets the 1 seed. Akron is 0-1 vs Toledo while BGSO is 2-0 so if Toledo finishes with a better rank, BGSU gets the 1 seed.

It should be noted that other scenarios exist that could decide who gets it. For example, if down the stretch BGSU loses to Buffalo and Kent, but Akron only loses to Ohio then both teams record vs Kent would come into play. All tie-breaking scenarios to favor Akron would require Akron to beat Buffalo though.

1. Between TWO teams:
A. Head-to-head competition

B. Division Record (10 games)^

C. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division, vs. common opponents regardless of the number of times played)

D. Coin flip

Thanks...my head hurts now.

And this only decides seeding for the tournament correct? Both teams would likely claim the regular season championship, right?

I actually don't know the answer to that.

BG could lose at Miami. Normally they struggle against us, even when they are clearly better, like last year, for instance.

(02-28-2020 01:02 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 11:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 11:18 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 09:27 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  In other news, I believe BGSU can clinch the MAC regular season title this weekend with a win combined with an Akron loss. That would put them two games up with 2 to play. It would also guarantee them a better record against Buffalo, which I believe would be the tie-breaker that would come into play.

They split with Akron though. How would a tie be broke?

Below are the tie-breakers. I've bolded the one that I believe would be the one that decides it. Akron and BGSU are both undefeated against #3 seed NIU so it will move to winning % against 4th ranked MAC team. Akron is currently 0-1 against Buffalo, meanwhile, BGSU is 1-0. Akron needs to beat Buffalo and needs BGSU to lose to Buffalo so both will be 1-1 vs. Buffalo. They will keep moving down the list from top to bottom until one team has a better record against a opponent than another.

For explanation sake, lets just pencil in a Akron win vs Buffalo and a BGSU loss to Buffalo. The tie-breaker will then depend on which team finishes with a better seed between CMU and Toledo. Akron is 1-0 vs. CMU while BGSU is 0-1 so if CMU finishes better ranked than Toledo, Akron gets the 1 seed. Akron is 0-1 vs Toledo while BGSO is 2-0 so if Toledo finishes with a better rank, BGSU gets the 1 seed.

It should be noted that other scenarios exist that could decide who gets it. For example, if down the stretch BGSU loses to Buffalo and Kent, but Akron only loses to Ohio then both teams record vs Kent would come into play. All tie-breaking scenarios to favor Akron would require Akron to beat Buffalo though.

1. Between TWO teams:
A. Head-to-head competition

B. Division Record (10 games)^

C. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division, vs. common opponents regardless of the number of times played)

D. Coin flip

Thanks...my head hurts now.

And this only decides seeding for the tournament correct? Both teams would likely claim the regular season championship, right?

I actually don't know the answer to that.

I believe it’s, only for seeding purposes. Teams would be listed co-champs, but the team with the #1 seed would also get the nit autobid should they fail to win the tournament.

(02-28-2020 10:25 PM)DICK Wrote:  BG could lose at Miami. Normally they struggle against us, even when they are clearly better, like last year, for instance.

Case and point.

(02-29-2020 05:26 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 10:25 PM)DICK Wrote:  BG could lose at Miami. Normally they struggle against us, even when they are clearly better, like last year, for instance.

Case and point.

Here is one set of stats from the game, from each team's best player:
Justin Turner 1 for 11 4 points 0 rebounds
Nike Sibande 9 for 18 24 points 11 rebounds.

Who will win Poy? German? He leads the league in scoring and the Huskies should be a top 4 seed. Turner missed some games and is scoring about 2 points less per contest. If they win the regular season title though, he is responsible for a few game winners. Marreon Jackson won't win it because the team is below or at .500 but he has the most assists of the leading scorers by a ton.

(03-01-2020 05:22 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Who will win Poy? German? He leads the league in scoring and the Huskies should be a top 4 seed. Turner missed some games and is scoring about 2 points less per contest. If they win the regular season title though, he is responsible for a few game winners. Marreon Jackson won't win it because the team is below or at .500 but he has the most assists of the leading scorers by a ton.

I think you forgot the clear frontrunner, LCJ. He's averaging 20.2 points and 4.6 assists with a shooting split of 47%/43%/88%. If you look at his in conference games only those numbers are even better.

(03-01-2020 05:50 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-01-2020 05:22 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Who will win Poy? German? He leads the league in scoring and the Huskies should be a top 4 seed. Turner missed some games and is scoring about 2 points less per contest. If they win the regular season title though, he is responsible for a few game winners. Marreon Jackson won't win it because the team is below or at .500 but he has the most assists of the leading scorers by a ton.

I think you forgot the clear frontrunner, LCJ. He's averaging 20.2 points and 4.6 assists with a shooting split of 47%/43%/88%. If you look at his in conference games only those numbers are even better.

I know Akron had a dude in the top 5 scoring but I haven't seen them play once. I missed the game UT played so that explains my ignorance.

German: 20.5 ppg, 42%fg, 34% 3pt, 71.4% ft, 2.7apg, 1.07 STpg, 4.3 Reb,

LCJ: 20.2 ppg, 47%fg, 43% 3pt, 88% ft, 4.6apg, 1.07 STpg, NA

M.J.: 19.7ppg, 41%fg, 37% 3pt, 82% ft, 5.6apg, 1.62 STpg, 4.4 Reb,

Turner: 18.3ppg, 43%fg, 34% 3pt, 85 ft, 2.6apg, NA, 4.6 Reb,

I mentioned during MAC play LCJ numbers are actually much better than his season averages. For whatever reason the MAC official website has had his numbers messed up all season. Currently they have him only playing in 12 conference games. I suppose that's an upgrade over last week where they didn't even have him listed. Below is what he's actually averaging in MAC play.

LCJ: 23.9 ppg, 4.4 assists, 48.2% fg%, 46.9% 3P%

For in conference stats that would put him 1st in scoring, 4th in assists, 9th in fg%, 1st in 3P%, & 2nd in ft%.

https://getsomemaction.com/stats.aspx?pa...ue#leaders

You really can't go wrong with LCJ or German. LCJ has more complete numbers , but German is doing what he is doing with literally no help around him. When its that close typically the nod probably goes to the player on the better team

I do think at this point LCJ, German, M.J, & Turner should all pretty much be locks for 1st team All-MAC. There are probably 4-5 guys still in the running for that 5th and final spot.

(03-02-2020 10:15 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I do think at this point LCJ, German, M.J, & Turner should all pretty much be locks for 1st team All-MAC. There are probably 4-5 guys still in the running for that 5th and final spot.

Jason Preston has to be in serious consideration for 1st team. He's 7th in scoring, 1st in assists, 5th in defensive rebounding, 5th in FG%, 7th in steals, 2nd in A/TO ratio, 1st in MP. 11 double-doubles, 1 triple-double. He's also 2nd Nationally in total assists and 1st Nationally in MPG.

(03-02-2020 11:14 AM)OUVan Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:15 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I do think at this point LCJ, German, M.J, & Turner should all pretty much be locks for 1st team All-MAC. There are probably 4-5 guys still in the running for that 5th and final spot.

Jason Preston has to be in serious consideration for 1st team. He's 7th in scoring, 1st in assists, 5th in defensive rebounding, 5th in FG%, 7th in steals, 2nd in A/TO ratio, 1st in MP. 11 double-doubles, 1 triple-double. He's also 2nd Nationally in total assists and 1st Nationally in MPG.

He's certainly in the mix. I can't imagine he'd be any lower than 2nd team