Also not regarding the A10 and St. Louis and VCU are currently middle of the pack in this year's seed, which was done by Bona03.

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TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE
Wednesday, March 11 at Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY
Game 1: 12. La Salle (2-10) vs 13. Fordham (1-12) 1:00 PM ESPN+
Game 2: 11. George Mason (3-9) vs 14. Saint Joseph's (0-12) 3:30 PM ESPN+

Thursday, March 12 at Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY
Game 3: 8. Saint Louis (7-5) vs 9. George Washington (5-7) 12:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 4: 5. Duquesne (8-4) vs Game 1 Winner 2:30 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 5: 7. Davidson (7-5) vs 10. Massachusetts (4-8) 6:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 6: 6. VCU (7-5) vs Game 2 Winner 8:30 PM NBC Sports Network

Friday, March 13 at Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY
Game 7: 1. Dayton (12-0) vs Game 3 Winner 12:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 8: 4. St. Bonaventure (9-4) vs Game 4 Winner 2:30 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 9: 2. Rhode Island (11-2) vs Game 5 Winner 6:00 PM NBC Sports Network
Game 10: 3. Richmond (9-3) vs Game 6 Winner 8:30 PM NBC Sports Network

Saturday, March 14 at Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY
Game 11: Game 7 Winner vs Game 8 Winner 1:00 PM CBS Sports Network
Game 12: Game 9 Winner vs Game 10 Winner 3:30 PM CBS Sports Network

Sunday, March 15 at Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY
Game 13: Championship Game 1:00 PM CBS

SEEDS
1. Dayton 12-0
2. Rhode Island 11-2
3. Richmond 9-3
4. St. Bonaventure 9-4
5. Duquesne 8-4
6. VCU* 7-5
7. Davidson * 7-5
8. Saint Louis* 7-5
9. George Washington 5-7
10. Massachusetts 4-8
11. George Mason 3-9
12. La Salle 2-10
13. Fordham 1-11
14. Saint Joseph’s 0-12

Details can be found here on the tiebreakers etc.
https://www.basketballforum.com/threads/...t-15326671

(02-15-2020 08:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Why would the Big East expand? Those schools mentioned really don't improve the league that much.

They don't need to anymore, UConn was a special exception. Giant conferences are a football inspired phenomenon. There’s no reason for a bloated Big East; 11 might be the largest conference not fielding football.

Had UConn stayed put in the beginning, Creighton wouldn’t have been invited.

Yep. 20 game double round robin currently. I don't see them wanting anymore.

Found the payout and general ballpark of over 600k this year and then around 500k unless we start dancing.
Note the amount of a NCAA Credit is higher but would not dramatically change the figures.

Details:
* Going to split the media $ equally but feel there must be some variation if you are on ESPN etc or not.

This year if you take the media and the share of 25% pool it equals 1/2 Million per team.

2014: 10 (Dayton 4, Saint Louis 2, St Joe's 1, VCU 1, UMass 1, GW 1)
2015: 5 (Dayton 3, VCU 1, Davidson 1)
2016: 5 (Dayton 1, VCU 2, St Joe's 2)
2017: 4 (Dayton 1, VCU 1, URI 2)
2018: 5 (URI 2, SBU 2, Davidson 1)
2019: 2 (VCU 1 and St Louis 1)
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I used $257,807 per unit, the 75/25 split and the 25 was split by the teams that did not make it. about 8 M for the conference (7,992,017).



Every team receives a cut of the 25% pool or $142,713.77

Every team receives a cut of the 5M Media * $357,142.86

https://www.basketballforum.com/threads/...562/page-5

I like the big east jumping to 14 with Umass, Dayton and St. Louis U and the AAC to 12 with VCU/AFA football only and all sports to the summit

(02-17-2020 10:27 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the big east jumping to 14 with Umass, Dayton and St. Louis U and the AAC to 12 with VCU/AFA football only and all sports to the summit

I reckon UMass, Dayton and SLU would all jump at that, and if they did, VCU might look more favorably on an AAC.

But am very skeptical that Air Force is any more interested now than they were the last time the AAC wanted them to join.

I posted a while back, but does anyone know the payouts that Wichita State receives from the AAC? Now, at present, the only non-football program that could command a similar (but likely greater) value (if not for location) would be Gonzaga. If WSU is getting a special deal from the AAC, I don't think, for example, a VCU could demand similar value. The other question is whether the AAC (and ESPN) would want to give additional resources to a non-football member. I'm honestly not sure.

I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

UCONN gave notice well over a year ago. If we haven’t added one of those schools by now, then they won’t be added.

All the talk from members is 11.

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

Each of those universities would bring many positives to the table, and each would be deserving of an AAC invite (at least in some respects). If they asked the old Dazzler, I would choose ODU (for many reasons).

As to my personal connections (direct or indirect) with any of the seven schools you list ... I have a cousin who took some courses at UAB (for which, I must admit, I have a soft spot — since my father "loosely recruited" back in the 1970s when Gene Bartow coached at then-Memphis State University and Pops and I enjoyed following Clean Gene leading the Blazers after he left UCLA for Birmingham).

Who would you choose of the seven, esayem?

(02-17-2020 06:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

Each of those universities would bring many positives to the table, and each would be deserving of an AAC invite (at least in some respects). If they asked the old Dazzler, I would choose ODU (for many reasons).

As to my personal connections (direct or indirect) with any of the seven schools you list ... I have a cousin who took some courses at UAB (for which, I must admit, I have a soft spot — since my father "loosely recruited" back in the 1970s when Gene Bartow coached at then-Memphis State University and Pops and I enjoyed following Clean Gene leading the Blazers after he left UCLA for Birmingham).

Who would you choose of the seven, esayem?

None of those schools currently add enough value to the AAC. And all of them will be available if they ever put it together in a few years

UMass - unless they start winning 8-10 FB games a year and reach the tourney every year, too small and on an island

Liberty will NEVER be invited to the AAC

ODU, GSU and UAB have good location, but don't really add enough. Again, sustained success is needed in FB and BB

Rice would only be considered in Houston left

USM adds nothing.

(02-17-2020 06:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

Each of those universities would bring many positives to the table, and each would be deserving of an AAC invite (at least in some respects). If they asked the old Dazzler, I would choose ODU (for many reasons).

As to my personal connections (direct or indirect) with any of the seven schools you list ... I have a cousin who took some courses at UAB (for which, I must admit, I have a soft spot — since my father "loosely recruited" back in the 1970s when Gene Bartow coached at then-Memphis State University and Pops and I enjoyed following Clean Gene leading the Blazers after he left UCLA for Birmingham).

Who would you choose of the seven, esayem?

Thanks for the question, Dazzler.

Being that my grandmother was from the Old Dominion, I’m inclined to choose the Monarchs, although she was from Richmond, and a William & Mary fan herself. I think ODU has a great upside going with their location and bridges ECU, to Navy and Temple.

I think UMass is headed in the right direction, but they’ll need some more stadium upgrades.

Rice makes the most sense based on university profile and location (reducing travel costs for Olympic sports), they just don’t seem to put any effort in athletics. It’s a shame because they could be successful if they tried.

Liberty has the almighty dollar and will probably be just fine as an Independent. Remember, they want to be the evangelical Notre Dame.

The others seem to be in the same boat.

If the ACC/B1G flirt with MSG again in ~2028 and potentially pose a threat, I could see the addition of Dayton’s fan base as a reaction. Outside of that, I don’t see any other immediate cause for their addition. If the BE wants to make their television package more valuable, Saint Louis is the better option. If they want to expand their footprint into a talent-rich state for recruiting, one of the Richmonds is the better option. It all boils down to the (if any) reason for expansion.

(02-18-2020 01:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 06:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

Each of those universities would bring many positives to the table, and each would be deserving of an AAC invite (at least in some respects). If they asked the old Dazzler, I would choose ODU (for many reasons).

As to my personal connections (direct or indirect) with any of the seven schools you list ... I have a cousin who took some courses at UAB (for which, I must admit, I have a soft spot — since my father "loosely recruited" back in the 1970s when Gene Bartow coached at then-Memphis State University and Pops and I enjoyed following Clean Gene leading the Blazers after he left UCLA for Birmingham).

Who would you choose of the seven, esayem?

None of those schools currently add enough value to the AAC. And all of them will be available if they ever put it together in a few years

UMass - unless they start winning 8-10 FB games a year and reach the tourney every year, too small and on an island

Liberty will NEVER be invited to the AAC

ODU, GSU and UAB have good location, but don't really add enough. Again, sustained success is needed in FB and BB

Rice would only be considered in Houston left

USM adds nothing.

There likely is not one single athletic program that would add as much value as is ideal. So the American, assuming it needs to add a member to maintain its football title game, needs to add the school that brings as much value as possible. There is no outstanding option.

(02-18-2020 02:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 06:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

Each of those universities would bring many positives to the table, and each would be deserving of an AAC invite (at least in some respects). If they asked the old Dazzler, I would choose ODU (for many reasons).

As to my personal connections (direct or indirect) with any of the seven schools you list ... I have a cousin who took some courses at UAB (for which, I must admit, I have a soft spot — since my father "loosely recruited" back in the 1970s when Gene Bartow coached at then-Memphis State University and Pops and I enjoyed following Clean Gene leading the Blazers after he left UCLA for Birmingham).

Who would you choose of the seven, esayem?

Thanks for the question, Dazzler.

Being that my grandmother was from the Old Dominion, I’m inclined to choose the Monarchs, although she was from Richmond, and a William & Mary fan herself. I think ODU has a great upside going with their location and bridges ECU, to Navy and Temple.

I think UMass is headed in the right direction, but they’ll need some more stadium upgrades.

Rice makes the most sense based on university profile and location (reducing travel costs for Olympic sports), they just don’t seem to put any effort in athletics. It’s a shame because they could be successful if they tried.

Liberty has the almighty dollar and will probably be just fine as an Independent. Remember, they want to be the evangelical Notre Dame.

The others seem to be in the same boat.

This is likely the key that you note: ODU has a great upside going with their location and bridges ECU, to Navy and Temple.

ODU has a combination of academics, endowment, fan base, commitment, location, media market, etc., to become rather respectable in the AAC.

I also strongly like UMass and feel it is a very underrated option.

Rice brings so much to the table but offers a few glaring flaws (some circumstantial and some of its own making) that all but eliminate it.

Seems we're on the same page with ODU, esayem.

(02-18-2020 09:55 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 06:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm starting to foresee more and more a scenario in which the AAC adds an all-sports member, as opposed to VCU/fill in the blank for football only.

UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

Each of those universities would bring many positives to the table, and each would be deserving of an AAC invite (at least in some respects). If they asked the old Dazzler, I would choose ODU (for many reasons).

As to my personal connections (direct or indirect) with any of the seven schools you list ... I have a cousin who took some courses at UAB (for which, I must admit, I have a soft spot — since my father "loosely recruited" back in the 1970s when Gene Bartow coached at then-Memphis State University and Pops and I enjoyed following Clean Gene leading the Blazers after he left UCLA for Birmingham).

Who would you choose of the seven, esayem?

Thanks for the question, Dazzler.

Being that my grandmother was from the Old Dominion, I’m inclined to choose the Monarchs, although she was from Richmond, and a William & Mary fan herself. I think ODU has a great upside going with their location and bridges ECU, to Navy and Temple.

I think UMass is headed in the right direction, but they’ll need some more stadium upgrades.

Rice makes the most sense based on university profile and location (reducing travel costs for Olympic sports), they just don’t seem to put any effort in athletics. It’s a shame because they could be successful if they tried.

Liberty has the almighty dollar and will probably be just fine as an Independent. Remember, they want to be the evangelical Notre Dame.

The others seem to be in the same boat.

This is likely the key that you note: ODU has a great upside going with their location and bridges ECU, to Navy and Temple.

ODU has a combination of academics, endowment, fan base, commitment, location, media market, etc., to become rather respectable in the AAC.

I also strongly like UMass and feel it is a very underrated option.

Rice brings so much to the table but offers a few glaring flaws (some circumstantial and some of its own making) that all but eliminate it.

Seems we're on the same page with ODU, esayem.

Go west young man....

(02-18-2020 04:44 PM)torch Wrote:  If the ACC/B1G flirt with MSG again in ~2028 and potentially pose a threat, I could see the addition of Dayton’s fan base as a reaction. Outside of that, I don’t see any other immediate cause for their addition. If the BE wants to make their television package more valuable, Saint Louis is the better option. If they want to expand their footprint into a talent-rich state for recruiting, one of the Richmonds is the better option. It all boils down to the (if any) reason for expansion.

That’s an interesting take on Dayton as leverage for fan interest. That type of selection seems to be the path the Big East at least considers. People talk about the rightness of fit for Creighton over Saint Louis and can’t overlook location...have they been to a Creighton game or see how their people travel? The Big East saw that.

I doubt the conference will invest in a “market school” at this point, having opted for Creighton and now UConn. There may be interest in a twelfth school...still guessing that’s the logistics of Gonzaga. This conference wants quality. It doesn’t need an anchor just because of the zip code it brings.

Not good for Dayton either way, I suspect, unless you need a school that brings fans out.

Year after year, Dayton is a superior team and their fan base travels well compared to St. Louis. St. Louis did not even fill after of the coaches and players free seats, on the floor as they lost to 10th place UMass last night and just squeaked by us in the first game of the conference slate in OT with all our freshmen.

Dayton, Dayton, Dayton deserves the invite more than any other team.

It would be better for the A10 and SMU if St Louis got the bid, but that is only travel and overloads the AAC to the west.

(02-18-2020 11:05 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:55 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 06:43 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  UMass, Liberty ($$$), Old Dominion, Georgia State, UAB, So. Miss, Rice.

I’m going to need Mr. Dazzle’s thoughts on their expansion potential and personal connection with each of the aforementioned universities. Thanks.

Each of those universities would bring many positives to the table, and each would be deserving of an AAC invite (at least in some respects). If they asked the old Dazzler, I would choose ODU (for many reasons).

As to my personal connections (direct or indirect) with any of the seven schools you list ... I have a cousin who took some courses at UAB (for which, I must admit, I have a soft spot — since my father "loosely recruited" back in the 1970s when Gene Bartow coached at then-Memphis State University and Pops and I enjoyed following Clean Gene leading the Blazers after he left UCLA for Birmingham).

Who would you choose of the seven, esayem?

Thanks for the question, Dazzler.

Being that my grandmother was from the Old Dominion, I’m inclined to choose the Monarchs, although she was from Richmond, and a William & Mary fan herself. I think ODU has a great upside going with their location and bridges ECU, to Navy and Temple.

I think UMass is headed in the right direction, but they’ll need some more stadium upgrades.

Rice makes the most sense based on university profile and location (reducing travel costs for Olympic sports), they just don’t seem to put any effort in athletics. It’s a shame because they could be successful if they tried.

Liberty has the almighty dollar and will probably be just fine as an Independent. Remember, they want to be the evangelical Notre Dame.

The others seem to be in the same boat.

This is likely the key that you note: ODU has a great upside going with their location and bridges ECU, to Navy and Temple.

ODU has a combination of academics, endowment, fan base, commitment, location, media market, etc., to become rather respectable in the AAC.

I also strongly like UMass and feel it is a very underrated option.

Rice brings so much to the table but offers a few glaring flaws (some circumstantial and some of its own making) that all but eliminate it.

Seems we're on the same page with ODU, esayem.

Go west young man....

Hasn’t worked, won’t work. Give up that dream. MWC schools are comfy unless the X wants to be XII again.

What does Dayton, or anyone else, have to do to get into the BE?

Concerning the original question, I think we know the true answer: David St. has to predict it.