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UC has never shown great forward thinking but perhaps they could once.

Give him a contract that pays him the same as the highest paid other AAC coach makes. We are the best AAC school, act like it!

1
University of Houston
Dana Holgorsen
$3,700,000
2
United States Naval Academy
Ken Niumatalolo
$2,316,000
3
University of Cincinnati
Luke Fickell
$2,300,000
4
University of Central Florida
Josh Heupel
$2,300,000
5
University of Tulsa
Philip Montgomery
$1,689,395
6
Tulane University
Willie Fritz
$1,612,000
7
East Carolina University
Mike Houston
$1,425,000
8
University of Memphis
Ryan Silverfield†
TBA
9
Southern Methodist University
Sonny Dykes
TBA
10
University of South Florida
Jeff Scott†
TBA
11
Temple University
Rod Carey
TBA

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

(these are pretty outdated at this point but a decent point of reference) a good benchmark should be Holgorsen's 3.7M base with a hefty buyout and commitments to improvements for the locker room and practice facility.

700 large for luke….200 large for each coordinator....100 large for all other coaches

All depends on how large of a buyout he's willing to include. If he's willing to put a ridiculously large buyout, I say go as high as $4 million.

I'd say a buyout structure like this:
$15 million before 2/1/2021
$10 million before 2/1/2022
$8 million before 2/1/2023
$6 million before 2/1/2024

We know he'll leave eventually, but this way we'll get most of our money back when he gets poached.

Suspend the Cincinnati city charter...Fickell is effectively the mayor from now on...

Tell us how much you are going to donate and I'll give you a number.

I don't know how long Fick will stay, but at this moment in time it's nice to see someone make a decision on factors other than the almighty dinero. I never felt he would leave as i think if he really, really had intended to move, he would have told the recruiting class prior to signing. Nothing last forever, but he earned even more than the high level of respect i had for him before this. He should be throwing out the first pitch at opening day.

(02-10-2020 11:58 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  Suspend the Cincinnati city charter...Fickell is effectively the mayor from now on...

If coach killed somebody I wouldn’t just help hide the body. I’d take the rap for I’d. I’d do 25 to life. FOR COACH.

(02-10-2020 11:58 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  Suspend the Cincinnati city charter...Fickell is effectively the mayor from now on...

Lord, don't throw that on him. I'd run if i had to take that job. LOL

(02-10-2020 12:49 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 11:58 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  Suspend the Cincinnati city charter...Fickell is effectively the mayor from now on...

Lord, don't throw that on him. I'd run if i had to take that job. LOL

The folks at city hall are more dysfunctional than MSU.

If UC wants to be any part of future realignment they need to commit all-in on athletics. Make Fick the highest paid G5 coach. $4M plus a substantial bump for his assistants plus a 5 year rolling contract. Pay the man.

I could easily argue Fickel is the best UC football coach in the last 50 years. Back-to-back 11 wins seasons and the highest rated recruiting class in school history . Why would you want to give up someone like that. Even during the BK years we didn't have nowhere close to this level of recruiting. BK was winning with Dantonio's players.

It’s likely going to be structured to look like PJ Fleck’s new 7 year deal with a discount in salary and buyout scale for being AAC versus B1G.
Cunningham probably has that deal saved somewhere in word format.

Fleck’s new salary + media etc. is $4.6 with a $10 million buyout in year 1 (final year salary is $4.9...).

30% discount for not being P5 puts CLF at around $3.2 and a year 1 buyout at $7 million.

Tell him to call me and I’ll draw it up on a bar napkin when I get back home to design my new chicken coop and greenhouse.

Quote:Full details of Flecks deal:

Fleck’s annual base salary will be $1.1 million and his base salary will increase by $50,000 on January 1, 2021 and on January 1 of each subsequent year, meaning his base salary during the contract term will peak at $1.4 million during the final contract year.

Fleck will also earn annual supplemental compensation worth $3.5 million for his efforts in media, fundraising, community involvement and endorsements of apparel and shoes, meaning he’ll be paid $4.6 million in the first contract year and $4.9 during the final contract year.

Other compensation and benefits Fleck will receive include:

Up to 60 hours of private aircraft use per year when making recruiting visits and other mutually agreed upon university business when he’s traveling more than 200 miles from Minnesota’s Twin Cities campus.
A suite for all football games, up to 20 tickets for any bowl game the team competes in; up to six season tickets for Minnesota men’s basketball; up to four season tickets to men’s hockey games, tickets to all other home athletic events.
An annual $49,000 Nike Elite allotment
Minnesota also agreed to make an additional $1,050,000 available for Minnesota’s assistant coaches and/or other staff members, on February 1, 2020. On February 1, 2021, the school agrees to make an additional $200,000 available for assistant coaches and/or other staff members.

If Minnesota fires Fleck without cause, the school will owe him a termination fee of 65 percent of the base salary (including raises) and supplemental compensation that would have been paid to him throughout the term of the agreement. Fleck’s termination fee would consist of severance and nonqualified deferred compensation.

If Fleck terminates his contract with Minnesota, he’d owe the school the following termination fee:

$10 million through December 31, 2020
$4.5 million from January 1, 2021 through December 31, 2021
$3 million from January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2023
$2 million from January 1, 2024 through December 31, 2025
$0 from January 1, 2026 through December 31, 2026
Fleck can earn the following cumulative performance-based incentives:

Winning the Big Ten Championship: $150,000
Winning or tying for Big Ten division title: $100,000
Being named National Coach of the Year: $100,000
Being named Big Ten Coach of the Year: $50,000
Fleck can earn the following non-cumulative, performance-based incentives:

Win the College Football Playoff Championship: $300,000
Participate in a College Football Playoff Semifinal: $200,000
Play in a New Year’s Six bowl game that’s not part of the College Football Playoff: $150,000
Participate in a bowl game and be the first or second team remaining in the overall conference standings not selected to participate in the College Football Playoff: $125,000
Participate in a bowl game that’s not part of the stipulations listed above: $75,000
Fleck can earn $50,000 if Minnesota wins a bowl game over a team from the ACC, SEC, Big 12 or Pac-12.

Fleck can earn the following non-cumulative, APR-related performance-based incentives:

Team APR score greater than or equal to 960: $30,000
Team APR score greater than or equal to 970: $50,000
Team APR score greater than or equal to 980: $75,000
Fleck can earn the following non-cumulative, performance-based incentives:

A team graduation success rate greater than or equal to 85: $75,000
A team graduation success rate greater than or equal to 75: $50,000

(02-10-2020 11:13 AM)doss2 Wrote:  UC has never shown great forward thinking but perhaps they could once.

Give him a contract that pays him the same as the highest paid other AAC coach makes. We are the best AAC school, act like it!

This this and nothing but this!

(02-10-2020 01:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It’s likely going to be structured to look like PJ Fleck’s new 7 year deal with a discount in salary and buyout scale for being AAC versus B1G.
Cunningham probably has that deal saved somewhere in word format.

Fleck’s new salary + media etc. is $4.6 with a $10 million buyout in year 1 (final year salary is $4.9...).

30% discount for not being P5 puts CLF at around $3.2 and a year 1 buyout at $7 million.

Tell him to call me and I’ll draw it up on a bar napkin when I get back home to design my new chicken coop and greenhouse.

Jeez...talk about going to pasture...

I’ve gone feral.

(02-10-2020 12:55 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  If UC wants to be any part of future realignment they need to commit all-in on athletics. Make Fick the highest paid G5 coach. $4M plus a substantial bump for his assistants plus a 5 year rolling contract. Pay the man.

I could easily argue Fickel is the best UC football coach in the last 50 years. Back-to-back 11 wins seasons and the highest rated recruiting class in school history . Why would you want to give up someone like that. Even during the BK years we didn't have nowhere close to this level of recruiting. BK was winning with Dantonio's players.

Since Gillman it is either Kelly or Luke. I have Kelly ahead as he came with seconds of playing for NCAA Championship.

(02-10-2020 02:32 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 12:55 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  If UC wants to be any part of future realignment they need to commit all-in on athletics. Make Fick the highest paid G5 coach. $4M plus a substantial bump for his assistants plus a 5 year rolling contract. Pay the man.

I could easily argue Fickel is the best UC football coach in the last 50 years. Back-to-back 11 wins seasons and the highest rated recruiting class in school history . Why would you want to give up someone like that. Even during the BK years we didn't have nowhere close to this level of recruiting. BK was winning with Dantonio's players.

Since Gillman it is either Kelly or Luke. I have Kelly ahead as he came with seconds of playing for NCAA Championship.

That's a tough call, because we saw what Kelly's recruiting was like after he left, the cupboard was barer than a baby's ass in Jones' first year. Fickell is clearly gearing up, not tapering off,

(02-10-2020 02:39 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 02:32 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 12:55 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  If UC wants to be any part of future realignment they need to commit all-in on athletics. Make Fick the highest paid G5 coach. $4M plus a substantial bump for his assistants plus a 5 year rolling contract. Pay the man.

I could easily argue Fickel is the best UC football coach in the last 50 years. Back-to-back 11 wins seasons and the highest rated recruiting class in school history . Why would you want to give up someone like that. Even during the BK years we didn't have nowhere close to this level of recruiting. BK was winning with Dantonio's players.

Since Gillman it is either Kelly or Luke. I have Kelly ahead as he came with seconds of playing for NCAA Championship.

That's a tough call, because we saw what Kelly's recruiting was like after he left, the cupboard was barer than a baby's ass in Jones' first year. Fickell is clearly gearing up, not tapering off,

Butch won a lot of games with Kelly recruits at the core his 2nd and 3rd seasons. I just have never bought this. I think we give Butch a pretty big pass for that first year when he has a lot of the fault (plus injuries and probably a lack of quality depth that had developed yet).

(02-10-2020 02:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 02:39 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 02:32 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 12:55 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  If UC wants to be any part of future realignment they need to commit all-in on athletics. Make Fick the highest paid G5 coach. $4M plus a substantial bump for his assistants plus a 5 year rolling contract. Pay the man.

I could easily argue Fickel is the best UC football coach in the last 50 years. Back-to-back 11 wins seasons and the highest rated recruiting class in school history . Why would you want to give up someone like that. Even during the BK years we didn't have nowhere close to this level of recruiting. BK was winning with Dantonio's players.

Since Gillman it is either Kelly or Luke. I have Kelly ahead as he came with seconds of playing for NCAA Championship.

That's a tough call, because we saw what Kelly's recruiting was like after he left, the cupboard was barer than a baby's ass in Jones' first year. Fickell is clearly gearing up, not tapering off,

Butch won a lot of games with Kelly recruits at the core his 2nd and 3rd seasons. I just have never bought this. I think we give Butch a pretty big pass for that first year when he has a lot of the fault (plus injuries and probably a lack of quality depth that had developed yet).

Possibly true. But regardless, it seems like the recruiting momentum and success we've had under CLF is unprecedented for this program. I believe coach Fick is still learning as a head coach (whereas BK came in a bit more seasoned), but to me that just means tons of potential to get even better. What he's done well right out of the gate is recruit and motivate. And it seems like he and his group of coaches just keep getting better at it.