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(02-09-2020 05:25 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  It's a bit shocking to see how some of our "fans" have turned so negative in a blink of an eye...no wonder some long-time posters are growing tired of spending time on this board...sheesh.

Honestly I don't think they turned. IMO most if not all of them were already negative about Penny from the get go and were just waiting for anything to jump on.
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(02-10-2020 02:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 05:25 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  It's a bit shocking to see how some of our "fans" have turned so negative in a blink of an eye...no wonder some long-time posters are growing tired of spending time on this board...sheesh.

Honestly I don't think they turned. IMO most if not all of them were already negative about Penny from the get go and were just waiting for anything to jump on.

True. And, not true.

I've been doubtful about Penny from the jump. But, hoping I was wrong. Just because one thinks it wasn't the right move, doesn't mean that I hope he fails. Trust me...I'd love nothing more than a Penny-led Tiger team to win the whole enchilada. He really is a nice guy.
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(02-10-2020 04:06 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 02:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 05:25 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  It's a bit shocking to see how some of our "fans" have turned so negative in a blink of an eye...no wonder some long-time posters are growing tired of spending time on this board...sheesh.

Honestly I don't think they turned. IMO most if not all of them were already negative about Penny from the get go and were just waiting for anything to jump on.

True. And, not true.

I've been doubtful about Penny from the jump. But, hoping I was wrong. Just because one thinks it wasn't the right move, doesn't mean that I hope he fails. Trust me...I'd love nothing more than a Penny-led Tiger team to win the whole enchilada. He really is a nice guy.

Oh you wouldn't fall under the group I'm talking about if you just had doubts. I'm referring to the ones that hated the hire for various reasons e.g. wanting to keep Tubby, or wanting someone proven/with experience instead. And from there deep down wanting him to fail.
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(02-09-2020 06:02 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  I keep hearing about talent but there isn't much talent on this team as some think. One really good guy in precious and the rest are average dudes.

Look at UNC they are loaded with 5 stars and are 10-13 and probably won't make the NIT.

Some of you already calling for penny to be fired? He certainly needs to work on the offense but damn fire the guy?

Who is calling for Penny to be fired? I haven't seen those posts.
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(02-10-2020 04:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 04:06 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 02:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 05:25 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  It's a bit shocking to see how some of our "fans" have turned so negative in a blink of an eye...no wonder some long-time posters are growing tired of spending time on this board...sheesh.

Honestly I don't think they turned. IMO most if not all of them were already negative about Penny from the get go and were just waiting for anything to jump on.

True. And, not true.

I've been doubtful about Penny from the jump. But, hoping I was wrong. Just because one thinks it wasn't the right move, doesn't mean that I hope he fails. Trust me...I'd love nothing more than a Penny-led Tiger team to win the whole enchilada. He really is a nice guy.

Oh you wouldn't fall under the group I'm talking about if you just had doubts. I'm referring to the ones that hated the hire for various reasons e.g. wanting to keep Tubby, or wanting someone proven/with experience instead. And from there deep down wanting him to fail.

I think TOGC might have been the only poster and he doesn't post here anymore.
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(02-10-2020 04:26 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 04:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 04:06 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 02:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 05:25 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  It's a bit shocking to see how some of our "fans" have turned so negative in a blink of an eye...no wonder some long-time posters are growing tired of spending time on this board...sheesh.

Honestly I don't think they turned. IMO most if not all of them were already negative about Penny from the get go and were just waiting for anything to jump on.

True. And, not true.

I've been doubtful about Penny from the jump. But, hoping I was wrong. Just because one thinks it wasn't the right move, doesn't mean that I hope he fails. Trust me...I'd love nothing more than a Penny-led Tiger team to win the whole enchilada. He really is a nice guy.

Oh you wouldn't fall under the group I'm talking about if you just had doubts. I'm referring to the ones that hated the hire for various reasons e.g. wanting to keep Tubby, or wanting someone proven/with experience instead. And from there deep down wanting him to fail.

I think TOGC might have been the only poster and he doesn't post here anymore.

Oh I'd bet he's still here just under a different name.

Who on here is calling for Penny to be fired? I haven't seen those posts. I mean, sure there might be 1 or 2 but from reading some of the earlier comments you'd think there was a 'fire Penny' groundswell and I just don't think that there is.....
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(02-10-2020 04:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 04:06 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 02:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 05:25 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  It's a bit shocking to see how some of our "fans" have turned so negative in a blink of an eye...no wonder some long-time posters are growing tired of spending time on this board...sheesh.

Honestly I don't think they turned. IMO most if not all of them were already negative about Penny from the get go and were just waiting for anything to jump on.

True. And, not true.

I've been doubtful about Penny from the jump. But, hoping I was wrong. Just because one thinks it wasn't the right move, doesn't mean that I hope he fails. Trust me...I'd love nothing more than a Penny-led Tiger team to win the whole enchilada. He really is a nice guy.

Oh you wouldn't fall under the group I'm talking about if you just had doubts. I'm referring to the ones that hated the hire for various reasons e.g. wanting to keep Tubby, or wanting someone proven/with experience instead. And from there deep down wanting him to fail.

I got ya'.

In hindsight though, it sure would have been nice to bring Penny on as an assistant under Tubby. Let him bring in some recruits, learn as an assistant under Tubby, then hand him the reins in a few years. But, I don't think Tubby or Penny would have gone for that...
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(02-08-2020 07:07 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 07:05 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  My answer it to keep signing the #1 recruit in the nation and hope he plays...

Penny gonna need help signing any more #1 recruits

Everybody needs help signing any #1 recruit$
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(02-10-2020 04:29 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 04:26 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 04:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 04:06 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 02:51 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Honestly I don't think they turned. IMO most if not all of them were already negative about Penny from the get go and were just waiting for anything to jump on.

True. And, not true.

I've been doubtful about Penny from the jump. But, hoping I was wrong. Just because one thinks it wasn't the right move, doesn't mean that I hope he fails. Trust me...I'd love nothing more than a Penny-led Tiger team to win the whole enchilada. He really is a nice guy.

Oh you wouldn't fall under the group I'm talking about if you just had doubts. I'm referring to the ones that hated the hire for various reasons e.g. wanting to keep Tubby, or wanting someone proven/with experience instead. And from there deep down wanting him to fail.

I think TOGC might have been the only poster and he doesn't post here anymore.

Oh I'd bet he's still here just under a different name.

Who on here is calling for Penny to be fired? I haven't seen those posts. I mean, sure there might be 1 or 2 but from reading some of the earlier comments you'd think there was a 'fire Penny' groundswell and I just don't think that there is.....

Certainly not a groundswell, but there are a few here. A couple of threads have trended that way since Saturday. I tend to agree that the most vocal ones - the ones who just post over and over every time something bad happens - were never really fans to begin with. They're the "I love the Tigers, but Penny sucks" and "I hope I'm wrong, but this team will lose every game" guys.
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(02-09-2020 05:29 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  is it too soon to ***** about penny's use of timeouts?

There's a real topic to discuss - other than the normal, woe is me stuff.

I think he should call more to's. But I think that's a trend these days. And I did read an MIT study that showed to's actually did little/nothing to stop momentum.
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(02-10-2020 05:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 05:29 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  is it too soon to ***** about penny's use of timeouts?

There's a real topic to discuss - other than the normal, woe is me stuff.

I think he should call more to's. But I think that's a trend these days. And I did read an MIT study that showed to's actually did little/nothing to stop momentum.

Greg Marshall didn't call one timeout while Houston was on a 27-5 run in the 1st half. Then he came out to say things about his team. Almost like Tom Crean wanting to get rid of his players last year. It's all a matter of preference of a coaches style. Bottom line we all want to win and if we were winning calling t.o's or demeanor on sideline wouldn't matter.
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I trust in Penny
Let the Dude do his job
Yes he's been out coached a few times, he's in his second yr, he's a smart Dude, he'll figure it out and without
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Kenpom has Memphis at 63. I really don't see any way the Tigers make the NCAA without getting lucky and running the table in the conference tournament. The way the team is playing, I doubt they get a first round bye. I can't see them winning four in a row in Ft. Worth. Most likely, this will be another NIT team.
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Some people just aren't mature enough to handle fans who question the leadership abilities of a leader without resorting to insults. It's not unreasonable for people to voice their disappointment and frustration in ways that aren't overly critical. Very few people are calling for his head. I'm certainly not, but I have posted threads posing what if questions. Several people here are very knowledgeable about the game and have wondered at various low points about his lack of experience at this level, at his coaching style, about his tactics etc.

He IS a 2nd year D1 college coach still learning the ropes of hoops at a higher level. He DOES have a different style than most D1 coaches and some of his tactics like rotations and sub patterns HAVE been curious. All that can be voiced while still supporting him and the team. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

Only a few idiots have suggested hiring him was wrong and wish to see him prematurely removed.
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This is not going to improve if we don't figure out what to change in our road game team management. There is something very wrong.
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(02-11-2020 09:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Some people just aren't mature enough to handle fans who question the leadership abilities of a leader without resorting to insults. It's not unreasonable for people to voice their disappointment and frustration in ways that aren't overly critical. Very few people are calling for his head. I'm certainly not, but I have posted threads posing what if questions. Several people here are very knowledgeable about the game and have wondered at various low points about his lack of experience at this level, at his coaching style, about his tactics etc.

He IS a 2nd year D1 college coach still learning the ropes of hoops at a higher level. He DOES have a different style than most D1 coaches and some of his tactics like rotations and sub patterns HAVE been curious. All that can be voiced while still supporting him and the team. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

Only a few idiots have suggested hiring him was wrong and wish to see him prematurely removed.

Penny was not a good coach in aau, not sure why we would expect him to get good all of sudden.

i would assume the folks who hired him didn't hire him for his coaching skills.
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(02-11-2020 11:39 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Some people just aren't mature enough to handle fans who question the leadership abilities of a leader without resorting to insults. It's not unreasonable for people to voice their disappointment and frustration in ways that aren't overly critical. Very few people are calling for his head. I'm certainly not, but I have posted threads posing what if questions. Several people here are very knowledgeable about the game and have wondered at various low points about his lack of experience at this level, at his coaching style, about his tactics etc.

He IS a 2nd year D1 college coach still learning the ropes of hoops at a higher level. He DOES have a different style than most D1 coaches and some of his tactics like rotations and sub patterns HAVE been curious. All that can be voiced while still supporting him and the team. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

Only a few idiots have suggested hiring him was wrong and wish to see him prematurely removed.

Penny was not a good coach in aau, not sure why we would expect him to get good all of sudden.

i would assume the folks who hired him didn't hire him for his coaching skills.

Which is not to say he doesn't know the game intimately and can't develop into a good D1 coach. He has as much time, at least in my mind, as any newly hired coach does unless he just fails dismally. As long as there are still butts in the seats and fan support I'm willing to give him 4-5 years. That's just my own opinion and I understand some may not share that position. And they have a right to their opinions too.

One thing, again JMO, I think I see is that he wants to be a friend to his team. That's all well and good but as a parent who raised his kids with firm discipline I was never their friend but they knew I loved them. I had a responsibility to firmly guide them through their childhood to become the successful adults they are now. On the court and in practice he needs to be their coach and not their buddy. It's apparent to me anyway that this team has no discipline, yet.

I think he'll get it eventually. He's had a lot of crap hit him this year with the defection of an expected superstar and injuries so this season he gets somewhat of a pass in my mind.
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(02-11-2020 09:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Some people just aren't mature enough to handle fans who question the leadership abilities of a leader without resorting to insults. It's not unreasonable for people to voice their disappointment and frustration in ways that aren't overly critical. Very few people are calling for his head. I'm certainly not, but I have posted threads posing what if questions. Several people here are very knowledgeable about the game and have wondered at various low points about his lack of experience at this level, at his coaching style, about his tactics etc.

He IS a 2nd year D1 college coach still learning the ropes of hoops at a higher level. He DOES have a different style than most D1 coaches and some of his tactics like rotations and sub patterns HAVE been curious. All that can be voiced while still supporting him and the team. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

Only a few idiots have suggested hiring him was wrong and wish to see him prematurely removed.

I think most want to give Penny plenty of time.

The one thing is though that unlike when Pastner took over at the end of the greatest run in Tiger basketball history, Penny took over 10 years into what has been a very average decade for Tiger hoops and the last 5 years have definitely been sub par.

Patience was already worn thin and with all the hype and preseason expectations, well, it makes the season seem worse than it actually is.

There were 4 years in a row with no postseason then the NIT last year with a win but reinforcements were on the way and the NCAA tournament seemed like a given - and now it's not.

It simply hasn't panned out the way it really should have so even though the record is better so far this year than last - it just rings hollow.

Lotta things have happened beyond anyone's control but there were probably also some warning signs around Wiseman that the coaches / administration chose to ignore so as not to derail the hype train - especially for ticket sales / donations leading into this season.

It is what it is.....
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(02-11-2020 09:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Some people just aren't mature enough to handle fans who question the leadership abilities of a leader without resorting to insults. It's not unreasonable for people to voice their disappointment and frustration in ways that aren't overly critical. Very few people are calling for his head. I'm certainly not, but I have posted threads posing what if questions. Several people here are very knowledgeable about the game and have wondered at various low points about his lack of experience at this level, at his coaching style, about his tactics etc.

He IS a 2nd year D1 college coach still learning the ropes of hoops at a higher level. He DOES have a different style than most D1 coaches and some of his tactics like rotations and sub patterns HAVE been curious. All that can be voiced while still supporting him and the team. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

Only a few idiots have suggested hiring him was wrong and wish to see him prematurely removed.


very well said!
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(02-11-2020 12:18 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 11:39 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Some people just aren't mature enough to handle fans who question the leadership abilities of a leader without resorting to insults. It's not unreasonable for people to voice their disappointment and frustration in ways that aren't overly critical. Very few people are calling for his head. I'm certainly not, but I have posted threads posing what if questions. Several people here are very knowledgeable about the game and have wondered at various low points about his lack of experience at this level, at his coaching style, about his tactics etc.

He IS a 2nd year D1 college coach still learning the ropes of hoops at a higher level. He DOES have a different style than most D1 coaches and some of his tactics like rotations and sub patterns HAVE been curious. All that can be voiced while still supporting him and the team. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.

Only a few idiots have suggested hiring him was wrong and wish to see him prematurely removed.

Penny was not a good coach in aau, not sure why we would expect him to get good all of sudden.

i would assume the folks who hired him didn't hire him for his coaching skills.

Which is not to say he doesn't know the game intimately and can't develop into a good D1 coach. He has as much time, at least in my mind, as any newly hired coach does unless he just fails dismally. As long as there are still butts in the seats and fan support I'm willing to give him 4-5 years. That's just my own opinion and I understand some may not share that position. And they have a right to their opinions too.

One thing, again JMO, I think I see is that he wants to be a friend to his team. That's all well and good but as a parent who raised his kids with firm discipline I was never their friend but they knew I loved them. I had a responsibility to firmly guide them through their childhood to become the successful adults they are now. On the court and in practice he needs to be their coach and not their buddy. It's apparent to me anyway that this team has no discipline, yet.

I think he'll get it eventually. He's had a lot of crap hit him this year with the defection of an expected superstar and injuries so this season he gets somewhat of a pass in my mind.

I agree with guys as well. I have faith that he will learn from his mistakes. Anyone who thought he would come in and immediately be a great D1 coach was kidding theirselves. He is a very smart guy. He’ll get it.
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