(02-15-2020 04:16 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 11:46 AM)TigerShark Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 12:29 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 11:11 AM)TigerShark Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 09:27 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  The thing is this team was built around him. Some, he’s gone but this team is so inexperienced they are having trouble adjusting.

This team was better early without Wiseman than they are now without Wiseman. It's all effort related. They still play good defense, but lazy passes that result in steals/points and giving up way too many offensive rebounds. Coaches have to get their attention or the season ends in a month.

You do realize you are comparing a team that was still completely geared towards having JW come back and play against USF to the team that had the rug pulled out from under them?!

Penny is trying to teach them how to be pros and create for themselves, which is a benefit to getting to the NBA. When he cracks down and tells them the offense to run, the turnovers go down greatly. For lack of a better example, think of Paxton Lynch. The restless idiots complained LOUDLY for piano man to replace him, but Coach Fuente knew better and it paid of greatly. Sometimes you just have to trust the process and admit that you don't know everything going on with the team and maybe Penny knows more than you (not saying specifically you in that statement, but quite a few in this thread).

Don't disagree with any of your points and I am 100% behind Hardaway, but they still looked better pre-Wiseman than they do post-Wiseman, whether its mental, emotional, whatever.
(I was pro-Lynch over Karam, and I sat right behind his Karam's family.)

Have only talked to one player and a coach about it, but Wiseman leaving killed the team. Prior to his leaving they were all playing (and practicing) with the expectations that he was coming back against USF and then they would dominate the AAC. After he left, the bottom dropped out for both players and to a degree coaches. Penny is far too good of a coach/person to ever publicly talk about how he felt about his leaving, but you could see it.

We just have to ride the rest of this season out. I honestly believe it will end better than most believe, but we shall see. I do say that if they make the tourney, Penny deserves coach of the year in the AAC.

Yep. This team has been through so much adversity, if they can stick together the future is limitless.

(02-14-2020 06:36 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 05:58 PM)HarvardTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 05:40 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  I was very impressed with both of their games last night.

They are getting better and better.

Both of them are going to be a force next season.

based on what Mark G speculated on the radio today that might end up being the case somewhere else.

The city would implode, if something like that, or similar happened.

"The city would implode, if something like that, or similar happened."

no way, not here on the Dockery Forum

very few care about MEMPHIS, the Metro Area

but do though care about the U

(02-15-2020 06:08 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 05:43 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

I'd agree with everything you've said except I don't think that's been the case with the poster you are referencing. Half of what we've experienced, not all but enough, IS Penny's lack of experience at this level. I've scratched my head over his rotations and sub patterns all year. It's a multi-faceted conundrum.

Also, I've found that not being a dick goes a long way toward not being neg-repped. I KNOW that he understands the mitigating factors and the adversity we've seemingly been faced with at every turn this year.

The bottom line though is that we all want the same thing, a successful team, including a successful coaching staff. There may be 2-3 posters here with an anti-Penny agenda but he isn't one of them.

I might agree with you if he was the only one not constantly neg repping me. He has done it over post that had nothing to do with him, so yes... I take it personally.

I will also say that this team was built around Wiseman. Of course there are going to be struggles because everything they have geared towards all off season and half of the season so far just vanished. Even during his suspension, they were still practicing, planning and playing focused on his return. Then, once they start the adjustment to his quitting, DJ got hurt. That's two of the best three players. Not to mention the amount of minutes.... Here is where we will agree to a small extent, that if Penny was in his fifth year, he might handle it differently. I honestly don't know how much differently, but it might very well be different.

However, to say that 90% is on him or his coaching is just refusing to look at the overwhelming change in this system. All the preseason talk and ego was about Wiseman. If you don't think a healthy team with Wiseman wouldn't be Top 5 in the NCAA right now, I just don't know how to talk basketball with you.

You won't get any argument from me there.

(02-15-2020 07:28 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 06:08 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 05:43 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

I'd agree with everything you've said except I don't think that's been the case with the poster you are referencing. Half of what we've experienced, not all but enough, IS Penny's lack of experience at this level. I've scratched my head over his rotations and sub patterns all year. It's a multi-faceted conundrum.

Also, I've found that not being a dick goes a long way toward not being neg-repped. I KNOW that he understands the mitigating factors and the adversity we've seemingly been faced with at every turn this year.

The bottom line though is that we all want the same thing, a successful team, including a successful coaching staff. There may be 2-3 posters here with an anti-Penny agenda but he isn't one of them.

I might agree with you if he was the only one not constantly neg repping me. He has done it over post that had nothing to do with him, so yes... I take it personally.

I will also say that this team was built around Wiseman. Of course there are going to be struggles because everything they have geared towards all off season and half of the season so far just vanished. Even during his suspension, they were still practicing, planning and playing focused on his return. Then, once they start the adjustment to his quitting, DJ got hurt. That's two of the best three players. Not to mention the amount of minutes.... Here is where we will agree to a small extent, that if Penny was in his fifth year, he might handle it differently. I honestly don't know how much differently, but it might very well be different.

However, to say that 90% is on him or his coaching is just refusing to look at the overwhelming change in this system. All the preseason talk and ego was about Wiseman. If you don't think a healthy team with Wiseman wouldn't be Top 5 in the NCAA right now, I just don't know how to talk basketball with you.

You won't get any argument from me there.

Yep