(02-12-2020 09:23 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 11:56 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 11:33 PM)TigerRob Wrote:  

(02-08-2020 08:01 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2020 06:35 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  We have no options because we are still paying two coaches $1.5M.

The Tubby hire set this program back 10 years.

As much as I despised Tubby, he would have had us in the Tournament this year.

With what players? No one from the city of Memphis .Tubby sucked. Period and we would be paying Grizzles money again because not enough people went to games to watch what he put on the floor.

Last year, Penny won with a team that was mostly made up of Tubby's players.

This year, the team is entirely his.

Last year's team was better.

We see you trollin', we hatin'

He's so white and nerdy?

(02-10-2020 11:01 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Fixed it for you

Hopefully you get banned when your rep points hit a negative 150. Let's everybody help him out...

(02-13-2020 09:43 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 07:27 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  memphistigers.org is a cesspool full of twits.

Fixed it for you

That IS you ain't it it Greggy. The Village Idiot hath returned.

(02-14-2020 06:13 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 11:01 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Fixed it for you

Hopefully you get banned when your rep points hit a negative 150. Let's everybody help him out...

I'm not sure why he hasn't been already. Mods? Do we normally let someone consistently bash our team and this site? I've received suspensions for FAR less than this.

(02-13-2020 09:43 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 07:27 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  memphistigers.org is a cesspool full of twits.

Fixed it for you

Pretty sure there is an AUP violation in there. In a twitter format you can understand, #reported

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

(02-14-2020 06:13 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 11:01 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Fixed it for you

Hopefully you get banned when your rep points hit a negative 150. Let's everybody help him out...

I’m in.

And boom, just like that he's BOH. Good job mods. Thankfully we won't have to listen to him bashing anyone anymore for at least a while although I hope it's permanent.

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

I do believe that Penny has learned the importance of experience. I believe he will go after a grad transfer or 2 for next season.

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

The thing is I have discussed all of the other issues. Everyone has. All our expectations have changed. Yet you choose to insult me personally.

You are a hider and the one who needs help stalking my posts. You probably did the same to several other posters here under your alaises.

Welcome to my ignore list. Don't dish it out if you don't want a neg.

I just call it like I see it and right now I see a immature name caller playing hide and seek. I'm not going to play. Have fun though.

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Penny and the players are busting their butts to win.

I love a good Tiger fan!

(02-15-2020 03:13 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Penny and the players are busting their butts to win.

I love a good Tiger fan!

I do too. Even better when they are a knowledgeable one as well.

(02-15-2020 02:55 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

The thing is I have discussed all of the other issues. Everyone has. All our expectations have changed. Yet you choose to insult me personally.

You are a hider and the one who needs help stalking my posts. You probably did the same to several other posters here under your alaises.

Welcome to my ignore list. Don't dish it out if you don't want a neg.

I just call it like I see it and right now I see a immature name caller playing hide and seek. I'm not going to play. Have fun though.

I insulted you personally when you insulted me. You don't know me or know anything about me.

I dished it out BECAUSE you gave me repeated negatives for no reason, other than I quoted your post apparently. You are the thin skinned one that apparently can't take it. I will gladly be on your ignore list, then possibly I won't get any more negatives since you are the only one that was doing it.

If your expectations have changed like you claim, then you wouldn't have the issues with Penny that you do. You would know that this is a young team that he is trying to change MAJOR direction in the midst of teaching them how to be better players. Your post don't show that you grasp that concept at all.

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure he would listen to in game help if it was provided. I'm guessing it's one reason he hates using his time outs. KIDDING !! It's really his ball and he'll sink or swim ... So no help IMHO

(02-13-2020 11:46 AM)TigerShark Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 12:29 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 11:11 AM)TigerShark Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 09:27 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  He was expected to be on the floor after he quit? How does that work?

The thing is this team was built around him. Some, he’s gone but this team is so inexperienced they are having trouble adjusting.

This team was better early without Wiseman than they are now without Wiseman. It's all effort related. They still play good defense, but lazy passes that result in steals/points and giving up way too many offensive rebounds. Coaches have to get their attention or the season ends in a month.

You do realize you are comparing a team that was still completely geared towards having JW come back and play against USF to the team that had the rug pulled out from under them?!

Penny is trying to teach them how to be pros and create for themselves, which is a benefit to getting to the NBA. When he cracks down and tells them the offense to run, the turnovers go down greatly. For lack of a better example, think of Paxton Lynch. The restless idiots complained LOUDLY for piano man to replace him, but Coach Fuente knew better and it paid of greatly. Sometimes you just have to trust the process and admit that you don't know everything going on with the team and maybe Penny knows more than you (not saying specifically you in that statement, but quite a few in this thread).

Don't disagree with any of your points and I am 100% behind Hardaway, but they still looked better pre-Wiseman than they do post-Wiseman, whether its mental, emotional, whatever.
(I was pro-Lynch over Karam, and I sat right behind his Karam's family.)

Have only talked to one player and a coach about it, but Wiseman leaving killed the team. Prior to his leaving they were all playing (and practicing) with the expectations that he was coming back against USF and then they would dominate the AAC. After he left, the bottom dropped out for both players and to a degree coaches. Penny is far too good of a coach/person to ever publicly talk about how he felt about his leaving, but you could see it.

We just have to ride the rest of this season out. I honestly believe it will end better than most believe, but we shall see. I do say that if they make the tourney, Penny deserves coach of the year in the AAC.

(02-13-2020 12:43 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 12:29 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 11:11 AM)TigerShark Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 09:27 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  He was expected to be on the floor after he quit? How does that work?

The thing is this team was built around him. Some, he’s gone but this team is so inexperienced they are having trouble adjusting.

This team was better early without Wiseman than they are now without Wiseman. It's all effort related. They still play good defense, but lazy passes that result in steals/points and giving up way too many offensive rebounds. Coaches have to get their attention or the season ends in a month.

You do realize you are comparing a team that was still completely geared towards having JW come back and play against USF to the team that had the rug pulled out from under them?!

Penny is trying to teach them how to be pros and create for themselves, which is a benefit to getting to the NBA. When he cracks down and tells them the offense to run, the turnovers go down greatly. For lack of a better example, think of Paxton Lynch. The restless idiots complained LOUDLY for piano man to replace him, but Coach Fuente knew better and it paid of greatly. Sometimes you just have to trust the process and admit that you don't know everything going on with the team and maybe Penny knows more than you (not saying specifically you in that statement, but quite a few in this thread).

I personally find that to be a flawed example.

I can say.. if we had played Karam we would have won more games that season and Lynch would have benefited from a year on the practice team. Maybe Lynch wouldnt have been terrible his first year as a full starter..

no way to know. it is all speculation.

But there is a difference in blind speculation and things that are accepted as facts. Every coach and player will tell you that practice doesn't match game experience. The speed and emotion is just different. Not to mention, in practice, the opponent knows everything you are going to run.

I admit it was a flawed example, but even in that context. Most of Karam's wins were against teams with losing records. The next season was a tougher schedule, so saying he would've won more game is really just speculation. Lynch improved greatly from year one to two, as most people do. Had they delayed it a year, it would've set his progress back. While I agree that is just speculation, it sure seems to be evident by proof of results.

Penny has the decision of cracking down on the team and making the run a set offense all the time or letting them grow into their roles. I would suggest that if he does the latter, it will pay off far more in the future than if he does the former. We can see the results next season IF the team stays together and we see the growth that I expect they will have. If they don't grow, then I will fully admit that I was wrong. I just think the potential is worth the risk.

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

I'd agree with everything you've said except I don't think that's been the case with the poster you are referencing. Half of what we've experienced, not all but enough, IS Penny's lack of experience at this level. I've scratched my head over his rotations and sub patterns all year. It's a multi-faceted conundrum.

Also, I've found that not being a dick goes a long way toward not being neg-repped. I KNOW that he understands the mitigating factors and the adversity we've seemingly been faced with at every turn this year.

The bottom line though is that we all want the same thing, a successful team, including a successful coaching staff. There may be 2-3 posters here with an anti-Penny agenda but he isn't one of them.

(02-15-2020 05:43 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 02:39 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-09-2020 10:06 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  So Penny doesn't need help?

Not sure about Penny, but you really do. Oh wait, I guess I will get another -3 from you for that one too....

Dude, what is wrong with you and the rest who can't accept objectivity and a desire for anyone who feels like he could use a little help while he hones his college coaching skills? It's not the knock on him that you and a few others seem to think it is, it's a legitimate desire to see him develop at this level, one he's never coached at until a mere 18 months ago, so that he can become the fine young coach most rational people understand he can be. We are pulling for his success, aren't you? If so then there's common ground, the first foundation for conflict resolution.

No, I don't like when one idiot continually negative reps me because I don't agree with him. Yes, we want the program to have success... or at least I speak for myself. But, I am also not braindead and realize we are an extremely young team that has lost two of the best three players on the team.

UNC, with an established, future HOF coach lost their best player and fell to third from last in the conference. We are tied for 5th and had we not gotten screwed by the refs would've been 4th. It's just STUPID to keep saying this is on Penny's lack of coaching experience. I could give multiple examples of great teams that fell apart after a star went down, but some people are too simple minded to see it.

It absolutely IS a knock on him when you don't admit any other circumstance happening to the team and place it all on Penny. I don't take bashing the coach or players lightly, especially when they are busting their asses out their like they did against Cincy. The inverse of the saying is true... the enemy of my friend is my enemy. He keeps bashing Penny, I will keep calling him out for it, or anyone else that makes ill-founded statements. If anyone thinks this is all on Penny, they are an idiot.

I'd agree with everything you've said except I don't think that's been the case with the poster you are referencing. Half of what we've experienced, not all but enough, IS Penny's lack of experience at this level. I've scratched my head over his rotations and sub patterns all year. It's a multi-faceted conundrum.

Also, I've found that not being a dick goes a long way toward not being neg-repped. I KNOW that he understands the mitigating factors and the adversity we've seemingly been faced with at every turn this year.

The bottom line though is that we all want the same thing, a successful team, including a successful coaching staff. There may be 2-3 posters here with an anti-Penny agenda but he isn't one of them.

I might agree with you if he was the only one not constantly neg repping me. He has done it over post that had nothing to do with him, so yes... I take it personally.

I will also say that this team was built around Wiseman. Of course there are going to be struggles because everything they have geared towards all off season and half of the season so far just vanished. Even during his suspension, they were still practicing, planning and playing focused on his return. Then, once they start the adjustment to his quitting, DJ got hurt. That's two of the best three players. Not to mention the amount of minutes.... Here is where we will agree to a small extent, that if Penny was in his fifth year, he might handle it differently. I honestly don't know how much differently, but it might very well be different.

However, to say that 90% is on him or his coaching is just refusing to look at the overwhelming change in this system. All the preseason talk and ego was about Wiseman. If you don't think a healthy team with Wiseman wouldn't be Top 5 in the NCAA right now, I just don't know how to talk basketball with you.