(02-10-2020 12:29 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Ya, you can’t be “missing” players that are not on your roster...
Wiseman - Not on roster and hasn’t been for all intents and purposes since game 3 and officially for well over a month now.
Boyce - Not been roster for months and barely played even when he was
Stokes - Not been eligible all year

We were missing two guys that, you know, are actually on the team... Being down DJ and Malcolm definitely hurt us but we still had way more talent than them...

No one is arguing we don't have more talent or that we shouldn't have won. The reality of the situation is just way more complicated than talent alone. Every good team in the country has losses to inferior teams. Upsets happen, they happen multiple times a season and they are far more likely to happen when you are dealing with as many roster challenges, injures and overall inexperience as we have this year.

Some are trying to suggest our coaches are in over their heads, when the reality is even the best coaches in the nation would be struggling with this situation right now. Even under the best coaching scenario its hard to see us much better than 18-19 wins right now with all that has happened and so little experience. Here we are at 17.

And yes, we are "missing" Wiseman. Its silly to pretend we are not. He was expected to be on the floor and that played a HUGE role in the expectations this season.

(02-10-2020 01:03 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 12:29 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Ya, you can’t be “missing” players that are not on your roster...
Wiseman - Not on roster and hasn’t been for all intents and purposes since game 3 and officially for well over a month now.
Boyce - Not been roster for months and barely played even when he was
Stokes - Not been eligible all year

We were missing two guys that, you know, are actually on the team... Being down DJ and Malcolm definitely hurt us but we still had way more talent than them...

No one is arguing we don't have more talent or that we shouldn't have won. The reality of the situation is just way more complicated than talent alone. Every good team in the country has losses to inferior teams. Upsets happen, they happen multiple times a season and they are far more likely to happen when you are dealing with as many roster challenges, injures and overall inexperience as we have this year.

Some are trying to suggest our coaches are in over their heads, when the reality is even the best coaches in the nation would be struggling with this situation right now. Even under the best coaching scenario its hard to see us much better than 18-19 wins right now with all that has happened and so little experience. Here we are at 17.

And yes, we are "missing" Wiseman. Its silly to pretend we are not. He was expected to be on the floor and that played a HUGE role in the expectations this season.

He was expected to be on the floor after he quit? How does that work?

(02-10-2020 08:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 01:03 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 12:29 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Ya, you can’t be “missing” players that are not on your roster...
Wiseman - Not on roster and hasn’t been for all intents and purposes since game 3 and officially for well over a month now.
Boyce - Not been roster for months and barely played even when he was
Stokes - Not been eligible all year

We were missing two guys that, you know, are actually on the team... Being down DJ and Malcolm definitely hurt us but we still had way more talent than them...

No one is arguing we don't have more talent or that we shouldn't have won. The reality of the situation is just way more complicated than talent alone. Every good team in the country has losses to inferior teams. Upsets happen, they happen multiple times a season and they are far more likely to happen when you are dealing with as many roster challenges, injures and overall inexperience as we have this year.

Some are trying to suggest our coaches are in over their heads, when the reality is even the best coaches in the nation would be struggling with this situation right now. Even under the best coaching scenario its hard to see us much better than 18-19 wins right now with all that has happened and so little experience. Here we are at 17.

And yes, we are "missing" Wiseman. Its silly to pretend we are not. He was expected to be on the floor and that played a HUGE role in the expectations this season.

He was expected to be on the floor after he quit? How does that work?

The thing is this team was built around him. Some, he’s gone but this team is so inexperienced they are having trouble adjusting.

Remove Morant, Jackson,& Brooks from the Grizz roster, where would they be?

Remove Curry, Durant, & Thompson from the Golden State roster, they've gone from the best in the NBA to the worse.

Maybe some of you geniuses on this board should apply for an asst. coaches job, I'm sure Penny would welcome your immense knowledge of the game & your help.

(02-10-2020 09:27 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 08:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 01:03 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 12:29 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Ya, you can’t be “missing” players that are not on your roster...
Wiseman - Not on roster and hasn’t been for all intents and purposes since game 3 and officially for well over a month now.
Boyce - Not been roster for months and barely played even when he was
Stokes - Not been eligible all year

We were missing two guys that, you know, are actually on the team... Being down DJ and Malcolm definitely hurt us but we still had way more talent than them...

No one is arguing we don't have more talent or that we shouldn't have won. The reality of the situation is just way more complicated than talent alone. Every good team in the country has losses to inferior teams. Upsets happen, they happen multiple times a season and they are far more likely to happen when you are dealing with as many roster challenges, injures and overall inexperience as we have this year.

Some are trying to suggest our coaches are in over their heads, when the reality is even the best coaches in the nation would be struggling with this situation right now. Even under the best coaching scenario its hard to see us much better than 18-19 wins right now with all that has happened and so little experience. Here we are at 17.

And yes, we are "missing" Wiseman. Its silly to pretend we are not. He was expected to be on the floor and that played a HUGE role in the expectations this season.

He was expected to be on the floor after he quit? How does that work?

The thing is this team was built around him. Some, he’s gone but this team is so inexperienced they are having trouble adjusting.

Bingo.....they learned from the start of summer practice to excel in roles with James on the floor. Without, they have had to change roles. Each time a player is injured they change roles. This is happening to freshmen.

(02-10-2020 10:21 AM)wylioats Wrote:  Remove Morant, Jackson,& Brooks from the Grizz roster, where would they be?

Remove Curry, Durant, & Thompson from the Golden State roster, they've gone from the best in the NBA to the worse.

Maybe some of you geniuses on this board should apply for an asst. coaches job, I'm sure Penny would welcome your immense knowledge of the game & your help.

(02-08-2020 07:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Some of the losers on this board and in this thread wanted us to hire Pearl. It took him 4 years to make the tournament. We had 5 players out today. It is year 2. Our luck has been lousy.

It happens.

thank you...finally some sense

penny wasnt a good coach in aau

You guys are crazy. We were down to just 7 healthy players at the end of the game. All were guards except Maurice. Precious was in foul trouble early. We are not the team we started the season with so the expectations should not be the same. You can tell Penny is a good coach because of our defense. The offense was built around Wiseman so it is late coming around - and then DJ got hurt and we are now guard oriented. Depending on guard play is only as good as your shooters.

(02-08-2020 08:01 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2020 06:35 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  We have no options because we are still paying two coaches $1.5M.

The Tubby hire set this program back 10 years.

As much as I despised Tubby, he would have had us in the Tournament this year.

IIRC, this would have been a rebuild year if Tubby had stayed.

I mean its ok to say the roster isnt what was to be expected and admit that Penny's coaching will need help going forward. Wiseman was a one year thing no matter what.

(02-10-2020 10:55 AM)BK#14 Wrote:  

(02-08-2020 07:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Some of the losers on this board and in this thread wanted us to hire Pearl. It took him 4 years to make the tournament. We had 5 players out today. It is year 2. Our luck has been lousy.

It happens.

thank you...finally some sense

Pearl might not have made it at Memphis past 2 years. The wannabe coaches on this board would have wanted him fired after his second season and for sure his 3rd season. Pearl's first 3 years record at Auburn was (2014/15, 15-20), (2015/16 -11-20) and (2016/17 - 18-14) and not one NCAA bid in those 3 years. Pearl is the coach that most of you on this board wanted him as our coach. You said Pearl could coach and he can coach but look at his record for the first 3 seasons. Just sit back and relax. The best is yet to come for Penny and Memphis. Hope we get healthy for AAC tournament and if we can't. Let's hope that next year our players stay healthy. I don't think even Pearl could solved our problems this year. Go Tigers

(02-10-2020 11:15 AM)tiger ron Wrote:  You guys are crazy. We were down to just 7 healthy players at the end of the game. All were guards except Maurice. Precious was in foul trouble early. We are not the team we started the season with so the expectations should not be the same. You can tell Penny is a good coach because of our defense. The offense was built around Wiseman so it is late coming around - and then DJ got hurt and we are now guard oriented. Depending on guard play is only as good as your shooters.

The problem with this is that we did not lose the game at the end. We actually played our best ball of the game the final 5 minutes. We lost the game in the first 35 minutes when we had Precious and Lance.

And I do think most people have shifted expectations dramatically but we still have the talent to be a tournament team and we just had South Florida kick that dream into a grave. That is genesis of most of the frustration. We not only lost the game but also the NCAA tournament hopes and it was at the hands to 10-12 South Florida.

(02-09-2020 12:52 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  Shhh.

The board geniuses thinking.

(02-10-2020 11:23 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  IIRC, this would have been a rebuild year if Tubby had stayed.

If Tubby was still here...nobody would give a rats arse anymore and this board would be filled with Valentine Day posts this week.

(02-10-2020 02:17 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 11:23 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  IIRC, this would have been a rebuild year if Tubby had stayed.

If Tubby was still here...nobody would give a rats arse anymore and this board would be filled with Valentine Day posts this week.

(02-10-2020 02:03 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 11:15 AM)tiger ron Wrote:  You guys are crazy. We were down to just 7 healthy players at the end of the game. All were guards except Maurice. Precious was in foul trouble early. We are not the team we started the season with so the expectations should not be the same. You can tell Penny is a good coach because of our defense. The offense was built around Wiseman so it is late coming around - and then DJ got hurt and we are now guard oriented. Depending on guard play is only as good as your shooters.

The problem with this is that we did not lose the game at the end. We actually played our best ball of the game the final 5 minutes. We lost the game in the first 35 minutes when we had Precious and Lance.

And I do think most people have shifted expectations dramatically but we still have the talent to be a tournament team and we just had South Florida kick that dream into a grave. That is genesis of most of the frustration. We not only lost the game but also the NCAA tournament hopes and it was at the hands to 10-12 South Florida.

BINGO

(02-08-2020 06:18 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Somebody call it

The best thing that could happen would be for Penny to save face by stepping down at the end of the season. Clearly, he wasn't ready for the jump from high school and AAU to major college basketball. If he had sat the bench as an assistant under an established coach for a few years, things might have been different. But he's too green and this is no place for him to learn the job.

(02-10-2020 10:27 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2020 06:18 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Somebody call it

The best thing that could happen would be for Penny to save face by stepping down at the end of the season. Clearly, he wasn't ready for the jump from high school and AAU to major college basketball. If he had sat the bench as an assistant under an established coach for a few years, things might have been different. But he's too green and this is no place for him to learn the job.

so what was Sam Mitchell?

(02-10-2020 10:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-10-2020 10:27 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2020 06:18 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Somebody call it

The best thing that could happen would be for Penny to save face by stepping down at the end of the season. Clearly, he wasn't ready for the jump from high school and AAU to major college basketball. If he had sat the bench as an assistant under an established coach for a few years, things might have been different. But he's too green and this is no place for him to learn the job.

so what was Sam Mitchell?

What does that have to do with anything? Penny should've been an assistant first. It doesn't matter if he has more experience coaches on the bench. He should be the one on the bench.