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Allen zmoff of RC and reporter from TV 2 are quoting Sendy as saying Mitch will be ok.

I think Kent has bye week now. They can use it.
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I would like to add to the thread, but a lot of what I would say has been said. The problems must be that obvious. I say that not one player seems to play for his team. No one is making others better. Mitch did that and it seems that Santiago does. I am tired even though I did nothing today. This team is depressing for a fan.
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Spin it, slice it, or stir it however you want; Northern Illinois just swept Kent State.
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Cleveland, Senderoff was quoted the other day that Pippen doesn't practice due to knee issues. So, yes, his knees are bothering him.

Frequently, when shooting percentages nosedive it's due to tired legs. If that's the case I don't know why they would be more tired than the other teams in the conference.
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(02-08-2020 08:41 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Cleveland, Senderoff was quoted the other day that Pippen doesn't practice due to knee issues. So, yes, his knees are bothering him.

Frequently, when shooting percentages nosedive it's due to tired legs. If that's the case I don't know why they would be more tired than the other teams in the conference.

Agreed ... I believe the schedule has caught up to them w/Miami, WMU, UB, Tol, NIU all on the rod and just Akron-BSU-NIU at home in the last seven games. It shows both in 3-point and FT shooting. If Kent hits their 3-pt/FT averages in both of those the last two games, they win them both, probably with ease.

Haven't had time to look, but as noted earlier, can't remember the last time Kent scored less than 60 points in back-to-back games.

Also ... for the first time in a very long time Kent does not have a mis-match player, a player the other team has no answer for, even on a bad night. And has been pointed out all season ... no bench.

Team assists have been pretty consistent all season, but turnovers are going up.

Also as noted, this is going on around the league, not just at Kent. Tired teams, no bench production and so forth. Kent also gets its 'bye' week later than most teams, which hasn't help, either.

Look. It's one of those seasons where around the country, not just the MAC, most leagues INCLUDING THE BIG BOYS are moaning over the current state of their teams/conferences.

College Basketball, 2020.
02-08-2020 09:44 AM
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Such a tired line.
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(02-07-2020 09:27 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  I'm not sure I've ever seen a Kent team where I've felt the parts were this much greater than the whole.

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02-08-2020 10:29 AM
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Good points, Cleveland.
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It’s almost as if some of you guys truly believe the lack of bench/depth is something that could not be avoided.

Yet it seems every year posters like fallsdog point out “disappearing minutes” from games in November/December to games in January and beyond.

What has happened to Beck’s minutes? How about Santiago’s? You mean to tell me you cant find a rotation/combination where guys like Pippen, Williams, Simons, etc can play 32 minutes a game instead of 38? That’s why you’re tired.

Any lack of depth is self-inflicted and you cannot convince me otherwise.
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You are obviously right, JimJoyce. The roster is put together by the coaches and the minutes played are a coaching decisions. If a roster lacks players that can be trusted to play, even a few minutes, that is on the coach. I'm not saying it's easy for a mid-major coach to put together a deep roster, especially in today's reality, but the bottom-line is that's what they are paid to do. I'm not referring to Senderoff, necessarily, but it kills me when college coaches at all levels talk as if some entity FORCED their players on them.
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Beck unavailable due to a heel injury sustained during this week’s practice
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(02-08-2020 11:03 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  It’s almost as if some of you guys truly believe the lack of bench/depth is something that could not be avoided.

Yet it seems every year posters like fallsdog point out “disappearing minutes” from games in November/December to games in January and beyond.

What has happened to Beck’s minutes? How about Santiago’s? You mean to tell me you cant find a rotation/combination where guys like Pippen, Williams, Simons, etc can play 32 minutes a game instead of 38? That’s why you’re tired.

Any lack of depth is self-inflicted and you cannot convince me otherwise.

I agree with this. I like Sendy a lot, but the one obvious flaw I've seen with him is how quickly he completely cuts minutes from players, particularly JUCO/transfer players. Castillo is this year's example, but there seems to be one every year. Just in the last few years Kain Harris, Taishaun Johnson, Leo Edwards, Jonathan Nwankwo, and Jerrell DeBerry. I refuse to believe that all of these guys were incapable of holding down a rotation spot at the D1 level. Especially since some of them had before. There's no way we just keep missing this badly on guys that have played at some college level already.

I'm not sure if it's that he doesn't want to deal with growing pains from 2 year players as they try to fit in, or that he wants to encourage them to transfer (they all did) so he has an extra roster spot to play with. It just really doesn't make sense to me that these guys aren't staying in the rotation to help rest the stars. Then you run into a situation like last night where we've gone to only playing 3 bigs and we use Williamson and Peterson in 4 guard lineups a ton. One of those bigs is out and Peterson gets hurt. Instead of going next man up, we play the entire second half keeping two of Williamson, Whittington, and Pippen on the floor at the same time. I really think Castillo could've been a role player on this team, and an important part of next year's team but instead he'll ride the pine all year and probably transfer. We'll use that scholarship on another JUCO big in April and do the same thing with him. Maybe our teams would gel better if we had these guys sticking around for a second year.

If you remember back to the Christian era where he leaned very heavily on JUCOs it wasn't uncommon for a JUCO to really struggle early in his first year but by his Sr year be a key player. Omni Smith is the most obvious example that comes to mind.

The tl;dr version of this... Play Castillo.
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(02-08-2020 12:15 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 11:03 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  It’s almost as if some of you guys truly believe the lack of bench/depth is something that could not be avoided.

Yet it seems every year posters like fallsdog point out “disappearing minutes” from games in November/December to games in January and beyond.

What has happened to Beck’s minutes? How about Santiago’s? You mean to tell me you cant find a rotation/combination where guys like Pippen, Williams, Simons, etc can play 32 minutes a game instead of 38? That’s why you’re tired.

Any lack of depth is self-inflicted and you cannot convince me otherwise.

I agree with this. I like Sendy a lot, but the one obvious flaw I've seen with him is how quickly he completely cuts minutes from players, particularly JUCO/transfer players. Castillo is this year's example, but there seems to be one every year. Just in the last few years Kain Harris, Taishaun Johnson, Leo Edwards, Jonathan Nwankwo, and Jerrell DeBerry. I refuse to believe that all of these guys were incapable of holding down a rotation spot at the D1 level. Especially since some of them had before. There's no way we just keep missing this badly on guys that have played at some college level already.

I'm not sure if it's that he doesn't want to deal with growing pains from 2 year players as they try to fit in, or that he wants to encourage them to transfer (they all did) so he has an extra roster spot to play with. It just really doesn't make sense to me that these guys aren't staying in the rotation to help rest the stars. Then you run into a situation like last night where we've gone to only playing 3 bigs and we use Williamson and Peterson in 4 guard lineups a ton. One of those bigs is out and Peterson gets hurt. Instead of going next man up, we play the entire second half keeping two of Williamson, Whittington, and Pippen on the floor at the same time. I really think Castillo could've been a role player on this team, and an important part of next year's team but instead he'll ride the pine all year and probably transfer. We'll use that scholarship on another JUCO big in April and do the same thing with him. Maybe our teams would gel better if we had these guys sticking around for a second year.

If you remember back to the Christian era where he leaned very heavily on JUCOs it wasn't uncommon for a JUCO to really struggle early in his first year but by his Sr year be a key player. Omni Smith is the most obvious example that comes to mind.

The tl;dr version of this... Play Castillo.

The recruiting part of this comment holds a lot of water, no question. But the reality is, of the players you mentioned above, NONE of them went on to do anything, or play anywhere of note.

Now, several freshmen recruits have after transferring out, but that's another story.

I also have felt AC had more to give, but for whatever reason Beck moved ahead of him. Beck (like MP) has value but is a glaring non producer. Strictly as an observation, it seems AC has no real position and without having any one dominant trait (scoring, rebounding so forth) has not been able to earn minutes.

Yes, absolutely much of this is on Sendy and his staff. But off-season you hear a lot about different players, ... then during preseason you hear a lot about other players ... then when the regular season starts, suddenly one can see the game is too physical for some (Bainbridge???), maybe too fast for others (KB???) and suddenly time and opportunity evaporates.

Add in some ill-timed illnesses and injuries and suddenly it's ough to regroup on the fly.

Finally ... also remember when it comes to recruiting, rarely - especially at the mid-major level - do you see two comparable elite players at the same position.

BG had nobody like Turner when he went down, as an example. Why, because players believe they can play 40-minutes every game, and don't want to share time.

It's not an exact science, being a mid-major coach these days. The fact Kent basketball has done it successfully for so long is really a stat not to be overlooked at all.
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(02-07-2020 08:15 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 07:58 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  Is it me, or is that the ugliest floor in college BB.

It's up there for sure... There's some pretty bad ones. Oregon's is ugly. Manhattan's us probably the worst I've seen. Picture this court but green instead of gray. I'll vote ugliest in the MAC though.

You don't like our owl on the court? That's what it looks like to me. I barely notice it while at the game, but on tv it makes everything look dark.
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In regards to none of the 2 year guys having success after leaving, they have one year left and the only way they can play right away is drop down a level. They're not exactly being set up with a great opportunity. DeBerry did go D1 and was a rotation player the next year. Edwards played D1 as a freshman. Harris and Johnson around 10 ppg guys on D1 teams before sitting out a season at Kent. You can't tell me we simply missed on all these guys. Maybe playing them wouldn't have mattered because maybe they couldn't accept being a role player and would transfer anyways. But if we have guys on the bench that are capable of being rotation players we should be using them to keep our key players fresh. And this is amplified by a lot when one of our big minute guys is coming off micro fracture knee surgery.

And I'm not saying give Beck's minutes to Castillo. I'm saying both should have been kept in the rotation early.
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I remember sitting in a Saturday meeting the morning after a 40-0 loss on opening night. We sent the players home and finally a colleague spoke up and said....We could lose to “northern Illinois” playing 18 kids or we could lose to them playing 30 kids.

We became a two platoon football program after that. Division 1 college basketball is not high school football. But that philosophy sparked a7-3 season and changed our mentality about playing time.
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Just as a side note ...

As one who follows the league and nearly all the chat rooms, it is interesting to see, much like Kent State, how fans have jumped off their team bandwagons all around the league, with many of the same identical complaints about recruiting, retention, coaching, substitutions, playing time, so on and son on and so on.

Two things ...

1) ... There is a lot of basketball left and parity breeds excitement. Arguably the best two teams ... Akron and BG ... needed miracle finishes on their home floor against sub-par teams before winning Saturday.

2) ... Believe it or not the fans can be a big difference down the stretch between winning and losing.

Now, I understand the emotional investment can be a crusher when the results don't match what you give. I've bailed on my favs in the past as well. But it's the MAC, and of all the leagues I've been attached to in the past (MVC, OVC, C-USA among them) the MAC is by far, year after year, the most competitive.

Don't abandon ship.
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Good points.
Keep in mind that you are basically addressing a bunch of fans who aren’t going anywhere. This is our on line Rays Place. We just don’t have to drive home.
I think we are all quite secure in our fandom.
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If D I, or even just the MAC, is "too fast" or "too physical" for some, then why don't the coaches see that before signing them to a scholarship? Aren't those things two of the very things a coach looks for in evaluating potential signees?
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(02-08-2020 08:25 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  If D I, or even just the MAC, is "too fast" or "too physical" for some, then why don't the coaches see that before signing them to a scholarship? Aren't those things two of the very things a coach looks for in evaluating potential signees?

The projection is ... over time ... the player will become physical enough to be a solid contributor and through repetition he will catch up to the speed of the game. It happens for some faster than it does for others.

BTW ... Checked back a few years and the last time Kent scored less than 60-points in back-to-back games was 2013. Lost to Bucknell and defeated Charleston.
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