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Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
Here are the stats without and with Shy starting at PG. Kai left at the start of CAA play, Shy got hurt against Towson and only played 20 minutes and has now sat for JMU and Elon.

CAA play with Shy at PG

Delaware - 10 to's Phillips 2 played 33 mins., 10 pts.
Drexel - 15 to's, Phillips 0(Okauru 6, Tolefree 4), played 31 mins., 12 pts.
JMU - 12 to's, Phillips 1 played 26 mins., 7 pts.
Towson - 11 to's, Phillips 3, played 24 mins., 10 pts.
William and Mary - 9 to's, Phillips 4, played 28 mins, 6 pts.
Elon - 9 to's, Phillips 3, played 32 mins, 7 pts.

11 to's per game avg.

(Burke starts coaching)

Hofstra - 8 to's, Phillips 1, played 31 mins 12 pts.
NU - 13 to's, Phillips 4, played 33 mins, 14 pts.
CofC - 7 to's, Phillips 2 played 32 mins, 17 pts.

9.33 to's per game avg. with two of our lowest TO totals the entire season.

Towson - 12 to's, Phillips 4, played 20 mins, 4 pts. Shy gets hurt and has sit and play hurt.
JMU - SHY OUT 21 to's, Okauru 5 to's, Sims 6 to's, Gadsden 4 to's
Elon - SHY OUT 18 to's, Gadsden 4 to's, Sims, 4 to's, Okauru 3 to's, Tolefree 3 to's.

17 to's per game avg. Two of our worst three games for turnovers with Shy on the bench.
* look back at the to's against these three teams the first time with Shy at PG

With Kai as PG OOC

Cleve State - 16 to's
FIU - 15 to's
Boise St - 12 to's
Stanford - 15 to's
Charlotte - 14 to's
Mercer - 13 to's
Vandy -23 to's


15.42 to's per game avg.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
There is NO doubt about those facts, but it's even bigger than that 82 to me. His defense is outstanding and he's going to get double figures no problem plus draw the defense to him. It opens up the 3 ball for Ty and Sims as well plus Brian's drives and occasional 3 balls. Shy has been a big bright spot for this team and will be the cornerstone for the future. PG is the most important position for this team and for many teams. If you have great PG play, it's so much easier to play the game because they dictate everything. And, he does it on both ends.

Think about a team like Rhode Island for example. They're terrific and it's because of their PG. I can see a future for UNCW being very good with him running the show.


Ty G is a good player and I love what he's willing to do to help. Without him, we would even be worse off but he's such a smart and gifted scorer with big heart that anticipates player, that you want him looking to do his thing. It's so hard to run a team and to also get yours. Shy knows nothing else as he's always been a true PG so he's learned as is continuing to get better.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-06-2020 11:12 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  There is NO doubt about those facts, but it's even bigger than that 82 to me. His defense is outstanding and he's going to get double figures no problem plus draw the defense to him. It opens up the 3 ball for Ty and Sims as well plus Brian's drives and occasional 3 balls. Shy has been a big bright spot for this team and will be the cornerstone for the future. PG is the most important position for this team and for many teams. If you have great PG play, it's so much easier to play the game because they dictate everything. And, he does it on both ends.

Think about a team like Rhode Island for example. They're terrific and it's because of their PG. I can see a future for UNCW being very good with him running the show.


Ty G is a good player and I love what he's willing to do to help. Without him, we would even be worse off but he's such a smart and gifted scorer with big heart that anticipates player, that you want him looking to do his thing. It's so hard to run a team and to also get yours. Shy knows nothing else as he's always been a true PG so he's learned as is continuing to get better.

Agree 100%. He makes this team better on offense and defense, but his ability to handle the ball under pressure and get into the paint at will without turning it over was the key to our turnaround. It was also obvious Burke asked him to attack and score more. We are not a team with gifted offensive players, so he opens it up and gets the offense moving for everyone.

Burke ia going to look like our guy again when he returns.
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(02-06-2020 11:19 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:12 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  There is NO doubt about those facts, but it's even bigger than that 82 to me. His defense is outstanding and he's going to get double figures no problem plus draw the defense to him. It opens up the 3 ball for Ty and Sims as well plus Brian's drives and occasional 3 balls. Shy has been a big bright spot for this team and will be the cornerstone for the future. PG is the most important position for this team and for many teams. If you have great PG play, it's so much easier to play the game because they dictate everything. And, he does it on both ends.

Think about a team like Rhode Island for example. They're terrific and it's because of their PG. I can see a future for UNCW being very good with him running the show.


Ty G is a good player and I love what he's willing to do to help. Without him, we would even be worse off but he's such a smart and gifted scorer with big heart that anticipates player, that you want him looking to do his thing. It's so hard to run a team and to also get yours. Shy knows nothing else as he's always been a true PG so he's learned as is continuing to get better.

Agree 100%. He makes this team better on offense and defense, but his ability to handle the ball under pressure and get into the paint at will without turning it over was the key to our turnaround. It was also obvious Burke asked him to attack and score more. We are not a team with gifted offensive players, so he opens it up and gets the offense moving for everyone.

Burke ia going to look like our guy again when he returns.

You have a serious boner for a guy that won two games. He has them playing better certainly but it’s looking more and more like he’s NOT our guy



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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 07:56 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:19 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:12 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  There is NO doubt about those facts, but it's even bigger than that 82 to me. His defense is outstanding and he's going to get double figures no problem plus draw the defense to him. It opens up the 3 ball for Ty and Sims as well plus Brian's drives and occasional 3 balls. Shy has been a big bright spot for this team and will be the cornerstone for the future. PG is the most important position for this team and for many teams. If you have great PG play, it's so much easier to play the game because they dictate everything. And, he does it on both ends.

Think about a team like Rhode Island for example. They're terrific and it's because of their PG. I can see a future for UNCW being very good with him running the show.


Ty G is a good player and I love what he's willing to do to help. Without him, we would even be worse off but he's such a smart and gifted scorer with big heart that anticipates player, that you want him looking to do his thing. It's so hard to run a team and to also get yours. Shy knows nothing else as he's always been a true PG so he's learned as is continuing to get better.

Agree 100%. He makes this team better on offense and defense, but his ability to handle the ball under pressure and get into the paint at will without turning it over was the key to our turnaround. It was also obvious Burke asked him to attack and score more. We are not a team with gifted offensive players, so he opens it up and gets the offense moving for everyone.

Burke ia going to look like our guy again when he returns.

You have a serious boner for a guy that won two games. He has them playing better certainly but it’s looking more and more like he’s NOT our guy



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Its called reality. I post facts and you post...
what? I've asked you MULTIPLE times to refute the facts and point out his COACHING errors and you have nothing. Im starting to wonder if you've seen this team play under Burke
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 08:20 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 07:56 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:19 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:12 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  There is NO doubt about those facts, but it's even bigger than that 82 to me. His defense is outstanding and he's going to get double figures no problem plus draw the defense to him. It opens up the 3 ball for Ty and Sims as well plus Brian's drives and occasional 3 balls. Shy has been a big bright spot for this team and will be the cornerstone for the future. PG is the most important position for this team and for many teams. If you have great PG play, it's so much easier to play the game because they dictate everything. And, he does it on both ends.

Think about a team like Rhode Island for example. They're terrific and it's because of their PG. I can see a future for UNCW being very good with him running the show.


Ty G is a good player and I love what he's willing to do to help. Without him, we would even be worse off but he's such a smart and gifted scorer with big heart that anticipates player, that you want him looking to do his thing. It's so hard to run a team and to also get yours. Shy knows nothing else as he's always been a true PG so he's learned as is continuing to get better.

Agree 100%. He makes this team better on offense and defense, but his ability to handle the ball under pressure and get into the paint at will without turning it over was the key to our turnaround. It was also obvious Burke asked him to attack and score more. We are not a team with gifted offensive players, so he opens it up and gets the offense moving for everyone.

Burke ia going to look like our guy again when he returns.

You have a serious boner for a guy that won two games. He has them playing better certainly but it’s looking more and more like he’s NOT our guy



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Its called reality. I post facts and you post...
what? I've asked you MULTIPLE times to refute the facts and point out his COACHING errors and you have nothing. Im starting to wonder if you've seen this team play under Burke
I have. and they looked lost last night, and yes it was without Shy. He's still the coach, he needs to prepare the team to win and beat the (was supposed to be) the worst team in the league. I stayed off the board last night intentionally. But i knew i'd wake up to a thread of your excuses, and walahhh, here we are. Have they played better under Burke, sure. That can't be refuted. But we were also in a position where there was really only one place to go, and that was up. We are now 2-4 under his watch. I like his fire, but we can do better IMO for our next HC.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 09:30 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.

But but but Shy was out, he will make everything better.

For the record 08, i agree with everything you stated. And those are highlights of my concerns as well.
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Burke was coaching his ass off last night. He pulled a couple of players, including Linssen, for not doing what they were supposed to. The awful passing continues. Our best ft shooters missed 6 in a row. U only remember Sims taking the ball to basket once. And he scored. He needs to do more of that. I know Burke told him in practice to quit whining and toughen up.
Now, I don't know yet where we should go as far as a new coach goes. I do know that if something doesn't turn around soon, I'll end up in the looney bin.
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(02-07-2020 09:30 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.


To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs. Honestly, that’s incredibly unrealistic at that level, IMO.

Not sure what level of competitive sports everyone else has played here, but in HS or your Rex coaching leagues... maybe that works out. At the D1 level when you’re dealing with young men that can really pick holes in someone’s game... it’s not nearly as easy to make those substitutes.

This team needs Shy to succeed right now. There’s other pieces, but it’s all messy if you don’t have a talented PG running things from the start on both ends of the floor.


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(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:30 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.


To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs. Honestly, that’s incredibly unrealistic at that level, IMO.

Not sure what level of competitive sports everyone else has played here, but in HS or your Rex coaching leagues... maybe that works out. At the D1 level when you’re dealing with young men that can really pick holes in someone’s game... it’s not nearly as easy to make those substitutes.

This team needs Shy to succeed right now. There’s other pieces, but it’s all messy if you don’t have a talented PG running things from the start on both ends of the floor.


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Honestly, it's probably easier at the D1 level than it is in HS or Rec. Unless you are a true big , most of these kids have good handles. At the HS or rec level, that's not the case.
08's mention of a week to prepare i'm guessing was to put in schemes that could work without relying entirely on Shy. And he's 100% spot on there.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs.

Of course not. I was just hoping to see some small, incremental improvement. Much like we wanted to see during the CB era and never got.

I definitely think the ball should have been in Jaylen's hands more. No, he doesn't have a PG skillset. No, he's not a terrific ballhandler. But he's the best playmaker you have, so you put the ball in his hands when you're not making a bunch of quick passes. Again, he's not a great option, but he has to be a better option that Gadsden or Okauru.

I agree with 33's point that Burke was actively coaching these kids when they came off the court. But if they're still not doing what they're told to do when they get on the court....what do you do? Which is why that's not the part of Burke's coaching I'm looking critically at; he's great at trying to get in these kids' ears. I'm talking about the big-picture stuff required of a HC.

And that's why you can't make a kneejerk reaction about someone being "the guy" on a small sample size when we seemingly have some candidates with a lot of HC experience under their belts who are interested in the job. And its also why we need to do our due diligence during the coaching search.

If we wade through the candidates and decide Burke is the guy, great. If not, I'm not going to lose sleep over that or b*tch about it. Its a business decision, not an emotional one, and we HAVE to get this hire right. We need someone to get this program back on track.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
We definitely need Shy back. But until the team as a whole starts protecting the ball better, we are still going to struggle. Piss poor passing went on when Shy was on the floor. We've got to play more under control. And confidence has a lot to do with it. I see Burke trying to instill that confidence. And we've seen how much better this team plays when it's there. I think they are wanting it so bad, they are rushing their game. Hopefully they will soon figure it out.
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(02-07-2020 09:48 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:30 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.


To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs. Honestly, that’s incredibly unrealistic at that level, IMO.

Not sure what level of competitive sports everyone else has played here, but in HS or your Rex coaching leagues... maybe that works out. At the D1 level when you’re dealing with young men that can really pick holes in someone’s game... it’s not nearly as easy to make those substitutes.

This team needs Shy to succeed right now. There’s other pieces, but it’s all messy if you don’t have a talented PG running things from the start on both ends of the floor.


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Honestly, it's probably easier at the D1 level than it is in HS or Rec. Unless you are a true big , most of these kids have good handles. At the HS or rec level, that's not the case.
08's mention of a week to prepare i'm guessing was to put in schemes that could work without relying entirely on Shy. And he's 100% spot on there.

No it's not dude. I'm seriously starting to question if beyond your rec ball coaching if you ever even played serious competitive sports. It's one thing to just "be able to dribble", which last night's game showed some problems with your argument there. Additionally, they're not just playing against cardboard cutouts. They're playing against other D1 level athletes that have adequate skills to defend at that level.

Your killing me dude.
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I honestly believe that we still could have won that game if we would have played Linssen and Dodd together more in the second half. Elon especially doubled down on Linssen in the paint. He struggled making his back to the basket moves because he had no way to turn most of the time. Dodd, early on looked like he was going to dominate down low. I know they can't both be on the court at the same time all of the time. But I think they could at key times.
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(02-07-2020 10:14 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I honestly believe that we still could have won that game if we would have played Linssen and Dodd together more in the second half. Elon especially doubled down on Linssen in the paint. He struggled making his back to the basket moves because he had no way to turn most of the time. Dodd, early on looked like he was going to dominate down low. I know they can't both be on the court at the same time all of the time. But I think they could at key times.

We might be forced into something like that tomorrow night. How else are we going to handle W&M's dominance in the post? We need to be able to get a rebound at some point....

If not, we need to press on every single possession where there isn't a missed shot. I mean, what do we have to lose?
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(02-07-2020 10:10 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:48 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:30 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.


To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs. Honestly, that’s incredibly unrealistic at that level, IMO.

Not sure what level of competitive sports everyone else has played here, but in HS or your Rex coaching leagues... maybe that works out. At the D1 level when you’re dealing with young men that can really pick holes in someone’s game... it’s not nearly as easy to make those substitutes.

This team needs Shy to succeed right now. There’s other pieces, but it’s all messy if you don’t have a talented PG running things from the start on both ends of the floor.


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Honestly, it's probably easier at the D1 level than it is in HS or Rec. Unless you are a true big , most of these kids have good handles. At the HS or rec level, that's not the case.
08's mention of a week to prepare i'm guessing was to put in schemes that could work without relying entirely on Shy. And he's 100% spot on there.

No it's not dude. I'm seriously starting to question if beyond your rec ball coaching if you ever even played serious competitive sports. It's one thing to just "be able to dribble", which last night's game showed some problems with your argument there. Additionally, they're not just playing against cardboard cutouts. They're playing against other D1 level athletes that have adequate skills to defend at that level.

Your killing me dude.
I played through HS(3 sports) and 1 year D3(and still play). I've been playing competative sports all my life, so not sure why you feel the need to take a lame personal shot. You'd have a problem if someone else did that Mr. Moderator! Question all you want. D1 Guards should be able to handle with the right game planning. As 33 mentions poor passing is more of the problem than just having a PG. Not having a PG hurts, but you should be able to plan and play better against a bottom feeder team!

And to 08's point, my initial comments are really about jumping to hand someone the keys after a small sample size. Pretty sure if 82 was the AD, Burke would have been locked into a 5 year deal after winning the COC game.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 10:32 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:10 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:48 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:30 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.


To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs. Honestly, that’s incredibly unrealistic at that level, IMO.

Not sure what level of competitive sports everyone else has played here, but in HS or your Rex coaching leagues... maybe that works out. At the D1 level when you’re dealing with young men that can really pick holes in someone’s game... it’s not nearly as easy to make those substitutes.

This team needs Shy to succeed right now. There’s other pieces, but it’s all messy if you don’t have a talented PG running things from the start on both ends of the floor.


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Honestly, it's probably easier at the D1 level than it is in HS or Rec. Unless you are a true big , most of these kids have good handles. At the HS or rec level, that's not the case.
08's mention of a week to prepare i'm guessing was to put in schemes that could work without relying entirely on Shy. And he's 100% spot on there.

No it's not dude. I'm seriously starting to question if beyond your rec ball coaching if you ever even played serious competitive sports. It's one thing to just "be able to dribble", which last night's game showed some problems with your argument there. Additionally, they're not just playing against cardboard cutouts. They're playing against other D1 level athletes that have adequate skills to defend at that level.

Your killing me dude.
I played through HS(3 sports) and 1 year D3(and still play). I've been playing competative sports all my life, so not sure why you feel the need to take a lame personal shot. You'd have a problem if someone else did that Mr. Moderator! Question all you want. D1 Guards should be able to handle with the right game planning. As 33 mentions poor passing is more of the problem than just having a PG. Not having a PG hurts, but you should be able to plan and play better against a bottom feeder team!

LOL. It wasn't a personal shot, it was a question. I was wondering. That being the case, you should understand completely both facets of the game in which you have people that are just as capable of defending, which makes switching into a new role that much more difficult at that level.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 10:40 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:32 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:10 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:48 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs. Honestly, that’s incredibly unrealistic at that level, IMO.

Not sure what level of competitive sports everyone else has played here, but in HS or your Rex coaching leagues... maybe that works out. At the D1 level when you’re dealing with young men that can really pick holes in someone’s game... it’s not nearly as easy to make those substitutes.

This team needs Shy to succeed right now. There’s other pieces, but it’s all messy if you don’t have a talented PG running things from the start on both ends of the floor.


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Honestly, it's probably easier at the D1 level than it is in HS or Rec. Unless you are a true big , most of these kids have good handles. At the HS or rec level, that's not the case.
08's mention of a week to prepare i'm guessing was to put in schemes that could work without relying entirely on Shy. And he's 100% spot on there.

No it's not dude. I'm seriously starting to question if beyond your rec ball coaching if you ever even played serious competitive sports. It's one thing to just "be able to dribble", which last night's game showed some problems with your argument there. Additionally, they're not just playing against cardboard cutouts. They're playing against other D1 level athletes that have adequate skills to defend at that level.

Your killing me dude.
I played through HS(3 sports) and 1 year D3(and still play). I've been playing competative sports all my life, so not sure why you feel the need to take a lame personal shot. You'd have a problem if someone else did that Mr. Moderator! Question all you want. D1 Guards should be able to handle with the right game planning. As 33 mentions poor passing is more of the problem than just having a PG. Not having a PG hurts, but you should be able to plan and play better against a bottom feeder team!

LOL. It wasn't a personal shot, it was a question. I was wondering. That being the case, you should understand completely both facets of the game in which you have people that are just as capable of defending, which makes switching into a new role that much more difficult at that level.
We should have capable enough guys to win, at home(and not look terrible) against Elon. It's not like we were playing a COC type team. I'd have a bit more slack if we were.
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 10:32 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:10 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:48 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:30 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The thing of it is: Last week we were blindsided by Shykeim's concussion. I thought with a week of practice knowing we'd be without him that we'd look at least a bit better, but we didn't.

Again, I still like Burke a lot and am rooting for him to blow away all the other candidates. And I do think if we look great again with Shykeim back that would be huge. But a team has to have a "next man up" mentality. If you don't have a true PG you have to adjust accordingly. Set a lot of screens. Try to make a lot of quick passes. Something different.

And meanwhile the defense allowed a lot of open shots. And while the foul count prevented us from pressing, its not like we were using the press early in the game, either. Maybe that was due to lack of depth. Who knows. But its not easy to just wash away the C.B. era with your Interim Coach, and that's reared its ugly head a bit the last 3 games.


To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs. Honestly, that’s incredibly unrealistic at that level, IMO.

Not sure what level of competitive sports everyone else has played here, but in HS or your Rex coaching leagues... maybe that works out. At the D1 level when you’re dealing with young men that can really pick holes in someone’s game... it’s not nearly as easy to make those substitutes.

This team needs Shy to succeed right now. There’s other pieces, but it’s all messy if you don’t have a talented PG running things from the start on both ends of the floor.


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Honestly, it's probably easier at the D1 level than it is in HS or Rec. Unless you are a true big , most of these kids have good handles. At the HS or rec level, that's not the case.
08's mention of a week to prepare i'm guessing was to put in schemes that could work without relying entirely on Shy. And he's 100% spot on there.

No it's not dude. I'm seriously starting to question if beyond your rec ball coaching if you ever even played serious competitive sports. It's one thing to just "be able to dribble", which last night's game showed some problems with your argument there. Additionally, they're not just playing against cardboard cutouts. They're playing against other D1 level athletes that have adequate skills to defend at that level.

Your killing me dude.
I played through HS(3 sports) and 1 year D3(and still play). I've been playing competative sports all my life, so not sure why you feel the need to take a lame personal shot. You'd have a problem if someone else did that Mr. Moderator! Question all you want. D1 Guards should be able to handle with the right game planning. As 33 mentions poor passing is more of the problem than just having a PG. Not having a PG hurts, but you should be able to plan and play better against a bottom feeder team!

And to 08's point, my initial comments are really about jumping to hand someone the keys after a small sample size. Pretty sure if 82 was the AD, Burke would have been locked into a 5 year deal after winning the COC game.

Injury is part of the game and if you get caught in a spot like this I think it has everything to do with coaching. If you have a week to game plan against a Elon type team it should be plenty of time to put the right guys in the spot with the ball. Phillips was handed the ball and I thought rightfully so at the time but he can't be the only guy on the team that can handle vs pressure defense. D1 guards and forwards should all have at least 3-4 dribbles and switch hands without being knocked off the ball. Hopefully that be the emphasis in practice in preparing for the next game and I am sure Burke and staff know this. They have enough players to practice drills vs pressure and nothing helps more than doing it in practice except game time. Young players also tend to not finish passes and don't always come to the ball on the pass in half court offensive sets. Plenty of drills for both of these skills.
Getting into a set early will also help these guys vs a 30 sec shot clock. For the record I don not care for the 30 sec shot clock for college ball at all. I personally think they have enough guys to share the burden without Phillips. I thought from the first time I saw him play he was better than Toews and would take his job at some point.
Carr at Pender HS is still available and has not been contacted by UNCW as of last Saturday-cannot imagine why.
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