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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 10:06 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  To be completely fair in argument here, I don’t care who you are as a coach... one week of practice is hardly ever going to make kids that aren’t good D1 PGs to be decent D1 PGs.

Of course not. I was just hoping to see some small, incremental improvement. Much like we wanted to see during the CB era and never got.

I definitely think the ball should have been in Jaylen's hands more. No, he doesn't have a PG skillset. No, he's not a terrific ballhandler. But he's the best playmaker you have, so you put the ball in his hands when you're not making a bunch of quick passes. Again, he's not a great option, but he has to be a better option that Gadsden or Okauru.

I agree with 33's point that Burke was actively coaching these kids when they came off the court. But if they're still not doing what they're told to do when they get on the court....what do you do? Which is why that's not the part of Burke's coaching I'm looking critically at; he's great at trying to get in these kids' ears. I'm talking about the big-picture stuff required of a HC.

And that's why you can't make a kneejerk reaction about someone being "the guy" on a small sample size when we seemingly have some candidates with a lot of HC experience under their belts who are interested in the job. And its also why we need to do our due diligence during the coaching search.

If we wade through the candidates and decide Burke is the guy, great. If not, I'm not going to lose sleep over that or b*tch about it. Its a business decision, not an emotional one, and we HAVE to get this hire right. We need someone to get this program back on track.

Sims isn't close to our best playmaker, which is why he was removed as a starter. The problem is that he plays a lot and shoots a lot. He and Okauru with 114 attempts each. Phillips next highest at 96. He also has by far the most 3 pt. attempts with 74. Next highest is Gadsden with 45 and Okauru with 41. Like i've said, nice kid, but not an offensive player. He should focus on defense, rebounding and setting picks for the guards to get to the basket. Look at the stats below. He's last or next to last in every offensive category on the team.

This isn't about Burke, it's about reality. I gave McGrath the benefit of the doubt as the head coach when he started and i'm doing the same with Burke. You could see the failures of McGrath on the court and in his recruiting as time went on. Our defense was awful, we didn't play hard, there was no movment on offense and he had no idea how to maximize Cacok or any of the players on the roster. Anyone could identify his problems as a coach.

I have yet to see one person on this board identify what Burke is doing wrong...as a coach. Still waiting. But I can see the changes he's made that are positive. Our defense has improved without a doubt. I've laid out the FACTS to prove it. Our offensive movement improved drastically...with Phillips as PG. He realized that Sims was a hindrance as a starter and replaced him with Tolefree. Unfortunately, Phillips was limited in one game and out for the next two games just as we were getting our momentum. And now everyone is bashing him as a coach when all the evidence points to improved play with a devastating loss of our only real PG.


Conference play FACTS

Sims 33.9 mpg, .307 fg%, . 243 three pt. %, .667 ft's, 11.5 ppg
Gadsden 25.7 mpg .329 fg%, .289 three pt %, .884 ft's. 10.2 ppg
Linssen 21 mpg .511 fg% .467 ft's. 8.7 ppg
Okauru 29.6 mpg .421 fg% .317 three pt% .800 ft's 11.4 ppg
Phillips 29 mpg .448 fg% .600 three pt% .714 ft's 9.9 ppg
Tolefree .366 fg% .269 three pt% .813 ft's 7.1 ppg
Boggs 18.6 mpg .300 fg% .300 three pt% 3.3 ppg
Dodd 17.4 mpg .459 fg% .852 ft% 4.8 ppg
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RE: Turnovers with Shy and without Shy as starting PG
(02-07-2020 11:03 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Sims isn't close to our best playmaker, which is why he was removed as a starter.

Huh? He's started 23 of 25 games (20 of the last 21) and by far leads the team in minutes. He has 38 more shots from the floor than any other player on the team, and twice as many FT attempts as any other player. 2 different head coaches clearly disagree with you.

If your argument is that he's not efficient and produces based on volume, that only hurts your argument. When volume skyrockets, efficiency drops. Especially since defenses start keying on him. If his inefficiency is truly due to poor play, the coaches would make sure to reduce his touches and/or minutes.

When Shy is off the floor/injured, if Sims isn't our best playmaker....who is?
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(02-07-2020 11:13 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 11:03 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Sims isn't close to our best playmaker, which is why he was removed as a starter.

Huh? He's started 23 of 25 games (20 of the last 21) and by far leads the team in minutes. He has 38 more shots from the floor than any other player on the team, and twice as many FT attempts as any other player. 2 different head coaches clearly disagree with you.

If your argument is that he's not efficient and produces based on volume, that only hurts your argument. When volume skyrockets, efficiency drops. Especially since defenses start keying on him. If his inefficiency is truly due to poor play, the coaches would make sure to reduce his touches and/or minutes.

When Shy is off the floor/injured, if Sims isn't our best playmaker....who is?

Okauru, Gadsden and Tolefree are all better than Sims on offense with Shy out. Also, two coaches did not agree. One of the first moves by Burke was to replace Sims with Tolefree as a starter...reducing his minutes. His offensive ineffiecency isn't just below average, it's bad. He's shot 16% from 3 since Burke took over. The solution isn't to have him shoot more, the solution is to have him shoot less.

Burke also had Phillips far more active in scoring than just distributing like he did under McGrath, and his efficiency didn't go down. Unfortunately, Phillips was hurt and we've lost the efficiency of Phillips. Hofstra 6-12 for 12 pts., NU 7-12 for 14 pts. CofC 7-12 for 17 pts. Besides Okauru, Phillips is the only other player on the roster that is anywhere near that efficient on offense volume or not.

Those are coaching moves that improved the offense. More Phillips, less Sims. An injury and concussion derailed our momentum, but those changes will be clear agains when Phillips returns. If he starts tomorrow, don't be shocked if we take down the Tribe.
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You just said Simms has shot worse since Burke took over. Which means he's played worse under Burke. But you beat the drum for how good he's handling him. If his production has decreased the way Burke has handled him wouldn't most people say CB handled him better? Food for thought.
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When you get to the FT line for an average of 4.7 attempts per game, you're a playmaker.

Period.
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You've both convinced me with your "facts". Sims is our best offensive weapon and just needs to shoot more...even though he already shoots more than anyone else, has the lowest FG%, lowest 3 pt.% and lowest ft%. I'm betting Burke and his team are working on that strategy as we speak.
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(02-07-2020 02:18 PM)82hawk Wrote:  You've both convinced me with your "facts". Sims is our best offensive weapon and just needs to shoot more...even though he already shoots more than anyone else, has the lowest FG%, lowest 3 pt.% and lowest ft%. I'm betting Burke and his team are working on that strategy as we speak.

You can't have your cake and eat it too man. sorry. You can't pimp how well Burke is doing with him and in the same breath show declining stats for him under Burke. That makes zero sense.
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To be fair to Sims, he's had a lot of pressure put on him this season with players leaving and injuries. I don't think he's been quite ready for all of it, but he's taken it in stride. His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left. I don't think the issue is Burke/McGrath related. Toews and Sims had a really good chemistry. I hope we're able to keep him in the program going forward. Him and Shy are two really good pieces to build around for whoever is coaching this team next season.
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(02-07-2020 03:01 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  To be fair to Sims, he's had a lot of pressure put on him this season with players leaving and injuries. I don't think he's been quite ready for all of it, but he's taken it in stride. His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left. I don't think the issue is Burke/McGrath related. Toews and Sims had a really good chemistry. I hope we're able to keep him in the program going forward. Him and Shy are two really good pieces to build around for whoever is coaching this team next season.

Don't disagree. And Burke has stated he's tried to keep him pumped up. I also think he has been asked to do more than he is capable of. He's on par with the rest of the team talent wise, but he's not a superstar that can or should be expected to carry the team. And since we don't have that superstar, our best shot at winning is a balanced offense that has Phillips, Okauru, Tolefree, Sims, Gadsden and our two bigs all contributing. That's what I saw happen when Burke first took over. I also think Phillips was a huge part of that more balanced scoring. Under McGrath in the CAA, Sims fg attempts were 11,7,14,14,14,7. Under Burke they were 7,6,5 against Hofstra, NU and CofC then 13, 11 and 5 against Tow, JMU and Elon. Less from Sims has been better for our offense because it means everyone else is involved.
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(02-07-2020 04:02 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 03:01 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  To be fair to Sims, he's had a lot of pressure put on him this season with players leaving and injuries. I don't think he's been quite ready for all of it, but he's taken it in stride. His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left. I don't think the issue is Burke/McGrath related. Toews and Sims had a really good chemistry. I hope we're able to keep him in the program going forward. Him and Shy are two really good pieces to build around for whoever is coaching this team next season.

Don't disagree. And Burke has stated he's tried to keep him pumped up. I also think he has been asked to do more than he is capable of. He's on par with the rest of the team talent wise, but he's not a superstar that can or should be expected to carry the team. And since we don't have that superstar, our best shot at winning is a balanced offense that has Phillips, Okauru, Tolefree, Sims, Gadsden and our two bigs all contributing. That's what I saw happen when Burke first took over. I also think Phillips was a huge part of that more balanced scoring. Under McGrath in the CAA, Sims fg attempts were 11,7,14,14,14,7. Under Burke they were 7,6,5 against Hofstra, NU and CofC then 13, 11 and 5 against Tow, JMU and Elon. Less from Sims has been better for our offense because it means everyone else is involved.

You are focusing on solely shot attempts which doesn't paint the whole picture. He shot the ball better with more shots under CB.
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(02-07-2020 04:06 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:02 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 03:01 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  To be fair to Sims, he's had a lot of pressure put on him this season with players leaving and injuries. I don't think he's been quite ready for all of it, but he's taken it in stride. His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left. I don't think the issue is Burke/McGrath related. Toews and Sims had a really good chemistry. I hope we're able to keep him in the program going forward. Him and Shy are two really good pieces to build around for whoever is coaching this team next season.

Don't disagree. And Burke has stated he's tried to keep him pumped up. I also think he has been asked to do more than he is capable of. He's on par with the rest of the team talent wise, but he's not a superstar that can or should be expected to carry the team. And since we don't have that superstar, our best shot at winning is a balanced offense that has Phillips, Okauru, Tolefree, Sims, Gadsden and our two bigs all contributing. That's what I saw happen when Burke first took over. I also think Phillips was a huge part of that more balanced scoring. Under McGrath in the CAA, Sims fg attempts were 11,7,14,14,14,7. Under Burke they were 7,6,5 against Hofstra, NU and CofC then 13, 11 and 5 against Tow, JMU and Elon. Less from Sims has been better for our offense because it means everyone else is involved.

You are focusing on solely shot attempts which doesn't paint the whole picture. He shot the ball better with more shots under CB.

As Gary stated, "His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left"
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(02-07-2020 04:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:06 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:02 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 03:01 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  To be fair to Sims, he's had a lot of pressure put on him this season with players leaving and injuries. I don't think he's been quite ready for all of it, but he's taken it in stride. His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left. I don't think the issue is Burke/McGrath related. Toews and Sims had a really good chemistry. I hope we're able to keep him in the program going forward. Him and Shy are two really good pieces to build around for whoever is coaching this team next season.

Don't disagree. And Burke has stated he's tried to keep him pumped up. I also think he has been asked to do more than he is capable of. He's on par with the rest of the team talent wise, but he's not a superstar that can or should be expected to carry the team. And since we don't have that superstar, our best shot at winning is a balanced offense that has Phillips, Okauru, Tolefree, Sims, Gadsden and our two bigs all contributing. That's what I saw happen when Burke first took over. I also think Phillips was a huge part of that more balanced scoring. Under McGrath in the CAA, Sims fg attempts were 11,7,14,14,14,7. Under Burke they were 7,6,5 against Hofstra, NU and CofC then 13, 11 and 5 against Tow, JMU and Elon. Less from Sims has been better for our offense because it means everyone else is involved.

You are focusing on solely shot attempts which doesn't paint the whole picture. He shot the ball better with more shots under CB.

As Gary stated, "His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left"
perhaps, but it has gotten worse under Burke with less volume
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(02-07-2020 04:06 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:02 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 03:01 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  To be fair to Sims, he's had a lot of pressure put on him this season with players leaving and injuries. I don't think he's been quite ready for all of it, but he's taken it in stride. His shooting hasn't seemed to be the same since Toews left. I don't think the issue is Burke/McGrath related. Toews and Sims had a really good chemistry. I hope we're able to keep him in the program going forward. Him and Shy are two really good pieces to build around for whoever is coaching this team next season.

Don't disagree. And Burke has stated he's tried to keep him pumped up. I also think he has been asked to do more than he is capable of. He's on par with the rest of the team talent wise, but he's not a superstar that can or should be expected to carry the team. And since we don't have that superstar, our best shot at winning is a balanced offense that has Phillips, Okauru, Tolefree, Sims, Gadsden and our two bigs all contributing. That's what I saw happen when Burke first took over. I also think Phillips was a huge part of that more balanced scoring. Under McGrath in the CAA, Sims fg attempts were 11,7,14,14,14,7. Under Burke they were 7,6,5 against Hofstra, NU and CofC then 13, 11 and 5 against Tow, JMU and Elon. Less from Sims has been better for our offense because it means everyone else is involved.

You are focusing on solely shot attempts which doesn't paint the whole picture. He shot the ball better with more shots under CB.

Better still wasn't good. These are the facts.

Under CB in the CAA(and we hadn't played Hofstra, NU or CofC)

21-67 31.49%, 13-42 three pt 30.14%(63% of shots from 3)

Under Burke in the CAA including Hofstra, NU and CofC

14-47 fg 29.8%, 6-30 three pt 20% (64% of his shots from 3)

His before and after percentages are both not very good. He also found himself in games where we had to compete to the end, instead of blowouts where he and the other players could pick up easier shots in garbage time. Hofstra, NU and CofC were three of the top 4 teams and we hadn't played them yet. Teams also started taking us seriously and picking up the defensive intensity because they had to in order to win. There are all kinds of factors that come into play when you look at the mumbers.\

Bottom line, Sims is not a superstar and shouldn't be taking so many shots. if we want to win.
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He didn't shoot that much last night and you don't want him to be shy. As a player you have to attack and yes, he's not a superstar yet but he has the tools to be one sans having a super tight handle. He's a good player and is really good when confident-he definitely has tools, size, rebounds pretty well and defends. This negativity doesn't help him IMHO. We need guys that want to score period and he is part of the solution. We don't have a ton of options right now. Mike is good but isn't really scoring big. Who besides Ty can have a good night if Shy isn't out there. Sims needs to play with confidence and attack the hole a bit more when available. His 3 ball will come.

I think that some of the guys offensive games are lagging because of the defensive effort as well. It takes time to be able to be good at both. Our defense has gotten better but the legs may not be as fresh with so few subs. It takes a toll. And, you can bet that Sims is the guy that every team is looking to stop. This is a new role for him. Just saying fellas....
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(02-07-2020 04:34 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Bottom line, Sims is not a superstar and shouldn't be taking so many shots. if we want to win.

Never argued he's a superstar. And I do agree he should take less 3's, at least until he can get a little more arc on his shot next season.

But getting to the tin? There's no one better on this team at doing that right now other than maybe Shykeim. If you draw fouls, you get touches.
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