(02-07-2020 08:56 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 12:26 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 08:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 08:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 06:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The next Presidential election is for Ginsberg’s seat on the SCOTUS. I doubt she can hold on another five years.

They'll say an impeached president (regardless of acquittal) can't nominate a justice. Or as someone else on this board mentioned they will claim Trump is a lame duck after reelection.

Honestly, this was a missed opportunity for the DNC. Pelosi could have made a deal with Trump to find a acceptable DNC replacement for RBG in exchange for House passage of any upcoming GOP bills. That bridge of course went up in nuclear fire late last year.

Of course, one wonders why RBG didn't retire during Obama's administration as the current reality was always a possibility with her deteriorating health.

it's a head scratcher.....maybe they thought hill-lair-liar was a shoe-in.....

I can't keep up with their lunacy anymore.....I simply enjoy the daily surprises....

You just nailed it. She thought Killary was a shoe in and because of her own ego she wanted to hold on and have the first female President get to be the one to fill her seat. Thought it would be a wonderful story. Now because of her arrogance I've gotta sit around and hope this old hag doesn't die before at least next February, because we all know that crap about "letting the American public decide who gets to pick the next seat" junk McConnell pulled with Garland would not be applied. Hell if Bernie won the election and then she died December 31st McConnell would find a way to ram home a justice before Bernie took office. On the one hand I'm obviously annoyed and bitter about it, but on the other the GOP is just a much better organized and run party who also isn't worried about public opinion or being perceived as being the bad guys but correctly worried about making sure they entrench their power. I'd say the DNC should you know take a look and take notes about what you should do when you have power, but those clowns couldn't **** their way out of a paper bag.

Hope is not a plan...we have that aphorism about birds and stone for a reason. Also, I wouldn't give the GOP too much praise. They just had their crisis in 2012-2016. Something similar could happen with the DNC as well. I'd argue Phase One is complete with the removal of the Clinton Industrial Complex. The question now is if the party can find an identity that doesn't revolve around hating rich old white guys.

If it can't get past the radical lefts cults of victimization and blaming innocuous people for the troubles of the aggrieved the real casualty will be the two party system. We will move from Democrats and Republicans arguing over how best to redistribute capital within the business cycle to Loons vs Goons. No matter how patriotic its initial goals if the Democratic party fails, the Republican party will become too autocratic and by nature less responsive to the people and more repressive. That's what unchecked power does and our founding fathers realized it.

The healthy response to a crisis within the Democratic party would be a party split where the radicals become the fringe minority they are and the new party takes more of the middle ground. Three parties would work well until the fringe dissipates and that would preserve some balance.

Right now I'm actually hoping for the Loons to take over the Democratic party because we need clear separation of the ideology of the radical left and traditional Democrats. If the Democratic party does this the division will actually save its viable and necessary form. I have neighbors and friends who are traditional Democrats of long standing. They are embarrassed, frightened, and feel abandoned by the abomination that the Democratic party has become, but feel uncomfortable yet compelled to vote Republican. This is a failing of our current system Moderates in both the Democratic and Republican parties need a moderate Party they can turn to when the leadership of their normal parties abandon them. I think this defines how 3 Date Owl and my Dad feel about things. I'm naturally more inclined to the right at this time because the threat from the left is greater than most realize.

(02-07-2020 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:56 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 12:26 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 08:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 08:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  They'll say an impeached president (regardless of acquittal) can't nominate a justice. Or as someone else on this board mentioned they will claim Trump is a lame duck after reelection.

Honestly, this was a missed opportunity for the DNC. Pelosi could have made a deal with Trump to find a acceptable DNC replacement for RBG in exchange for House passage of any upcoming GOP bills. That bridge of course went up in nuclear fire late last year.

Of course, one wonders why RBG didn't retire during Obama's administration as the current reality was always a possibility with her deteriorating health.

it's a head scratcher.....maybe they thought hill-lair-liar was a shoe-in.....

I can't keep up with their lunacy anymore.....I simply enjoy the daily surprises....

You just nailed it. She thought Killary was a shoe in and because of her own ego she wanted to hold on and have the first female President get to be the one to fill her seat. Thought it would be a wonderful story. Now because of her arrogance I've gotta sit around and hope this old hag doesn't die before at least next February, because we all know that crap about "letting the American public decide who gets to pick the next seat" junk McConnell pulled with Garland would not be applied. Hell if Bernie won the election and then she died December 31st McConnell would find a way to ram home a justice before Bernie took office. On the one hand I'm obviously annoyed and bitter about it, but on the other the GOP is just a much better organized and run party who also isn't worried about public opinion or being perceived as being the bad guys but correctly worried about making sure they entrench their power. I'd say the DNC should you know take a look and take notes about what you should do when you have power, but those clowns couldn't **** their way out of a paper bag.

Hope is not a plan...we have that aphorism about birds and stone for a reason. Also, I wouldn't give the GOP too much praise. They just had their crisis in 2012-2016. Something similar could happen with the DNC as well. I'd argue Phase One is complete with the removal of the Clinton Industrial Complex. The question now is if the party can find an identity that doesn't revolve around hating rich old white guys.

If it can't get past the radical lefts cults of victimization and blaming innocuous people for the troubles of the aggrieved the real casualty will be the two party system. We will move from Democrats and Republicans arguing over how best to redistribute capital within the business cycle to Loons vs Goons. No matter how patriotic its initial goals if the Democratic party fails, the Republican party will become too autocratic and by nature less responsive to the people and more repressive. That's what unchecked power does and our founding fathers realized it.

The healthy response to a crisis within the Democratic party would be a party split where the radicals become the fringe minority they are and the new party takes more of the middle ground. Three parties would work well until the fringe dissipates and that would preserve some balance.

Right now I'm actually hoping for the Loons to take over the Democratic party because we need clear separation of the ideology of the radical left and traditional Democrats. If the Democratic party does this the division will actually save its viable and necessary form. I have neighbors and friends who are traditional Democrats of long standing. They are embarrassed, frightened, and feel abandoned by the abomination that the Democratic party has become, but feel uncomfortable yet compelled to vote Republican. This is a failing of our current system Moderates in both the Democratic and Republican parties need a moderate Party they can turn to when the leadership of their normal parties abandon them. I think this defines how 3 Date Owl and my Dad feel about things. I'm naturally more inclined to the right at this time because the threat from the left is greater than most realize.

I'm hip deep and all-in with your reasoning/logic across the board with the following exception...the democratic party needs @MarkCuban to step up to plate in '24....I'm beggin' for that to happen....for the same reason that I always had DJT penned in as a pub, there's still a part of me that wishes he would have run as a donk...

IMO, the two party system has basically evolved to obsoletion using DJT's pioneered tactics as a pub....the question is can/will the donks recognize such moving forward....to date, the answer is a resounding, "NO!"

as I like to state to ad nauseam, "ol' boy changed the game." it's now time for the donks to wake the fk up or die...

I also contend DJT centrist social policies combined with pragmatic foreign/domestic/economic/judicial positions will set the trend moving forward for the pubs....it's a tough combination to combat as long as the USD reigns supreme being the global benchmark relative to commerce/investment....

I can only thank the good-goodies the ding-dongs on the right are finally beginning to see the 'light'...

change is never easy (especially in this embedded CF'd arena).....but right at this moment, it's moving in the 'right' direction....that puts a smile on nuts zongo's face...

(02-07-2020 12:26 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You just nailed it. She thought Killary was a shoe in and because of her own ego she wanted to hold on and have the first female President get to be the one to fill her seat. Thought it would be a wonderful story. Now because of her arrogance I've gotta sit around and hope this old hag doesn't die before at least next February, because we all know that crap about "letting the American public decide who gets to pick the next seat" junk McConnell pulled with Garland would not be applied. Hell if Bernie won the election and then she died December 31st McConnell would find a way to ram home a justice before Bernie took office. On the one hand I'm obviously annoyed and bitter about it, but on the other the GOP is just a much better organized and run party who also isn't worried about public opinion or being perceived as being the bad guys but correctly worried about making sure they entrench their power. I'd say the DNC should you know take a look and take notes about what you should do when you have power, but those clowns couldn't **** their way out of a paper bag.

One thing that I find very interesting is that leftists complain so much that the republicans are better run and organized than the democrats, while conservatives complain that the D's are better run than the R's. I think part of that is partisan (you always regret that your side isn't run better) and part of that is that neither party is really run worth a damn.

As a classical liberal, I don't care for the leadership of either. I do think the democrat leadership focuses more on winning elections than on governing, and I am not sure that the republican leadership focuses on anything.

(02-08-2020 08:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 12:26 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You just nailed it. She thought Killary was a shoe in and because of her own ego she wanted to hold on and have the first female President get to be the one to fill her seat. Thought it would be a wonderful story. Now because of her arrogance I've gotta sit around and hope this old hag doesn't die before at least next February, because we all know that crap about "letting the American public decide who gets to pick the next seat" junk McConnell pulled with Garland would not be applied. Hell if Bernie won the election and then she died December 31st McConnell would find a way to ram home a justice before Bernie took office. On the one hand I'm obviously annoyed and bitter about it, but on the other the GOP is just a much better organized and run party who also isn't worried about public opinion or being perceived as being the bad guys but correctly worried about making sure they entrench their power. I'd say the DNC should you know take a look and take notes about what you should do when you have power, but those clowns couldn't **** their way out of a paper bag.

One thing that I find very interesting is that leftists complain so much that the republicans are better run and organized than the democrats, while conservatives complain that the D's are better run than the R's. I think part of that is partisan (you always regret that your side isn't run better) and part of that is that neither party is really run worth a damn.

As a classical liberal, I don't care for the leadership of either. I do think the democrat leadership focuses more on winning elections than on governing, and I am not sure that the republican leadership focuses on anything.

I've hammered cocaine Mitch on many an occasion....however, pushing thru judicial appt's comes to mind as his biggest asset as senate majority leader....toss in allowing NanFran's 'cuckUS' bs to sit on the table is icing on top....

relative to the house???......yeah, most don't have a fk'n clue how to combat....there's a handful.....not nearly enough

~45 resigned after DJT in '16.....another ~27 now going into Nov. '20....

there's no question the house is a CF.....

(02-06-2020 08:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 06:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The next Presidential election is for Ginsberg’s seat on the SCOTUS. I doubt she can hold on another five years.

Of course, one wonders why RBG didn't retire during Obama's administration as the current reality was always a possibility with her deteriorating health.

Because the political winds and machine was sure Hillary had it in the bag... until she didn’t.


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