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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 01:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:13 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The P5 don’t want to see anymore schools added to FBS. The G5 conferences are acutely aware of this and fearing the kind of culling of the herd that occurred in 1978-1984 they will doing their best to keep the flow of upgrades to a trickle if not a complete end.

Says who?

If I'm the P5 I'm hoping the non-power 5 keeps expanding so that it drives down the ever-increasing buy-game market.

The more FBS schools the more CFP money that has to be shared.

Also, if you can schedule JMU for a body bag game for $500K why would you want them to move up and make the cost of that game more than $1M?
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(02-06-2020 06:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  FBS is football only.

Seems like the prediction is JMU and Missouri State joining an FBS conference as full members, NDSU joining an FBS conference as a FB-only member.

If the Big Ten AD's had stood firm on their "no FCS games" agreement, I might see Northern Iowa and NDSU into the MAC FB-only, putting Toledo in the Eastern division. Not likely, but possible.

IOW, so Northern Iowa can continue to play Iowa and Iowa State in alternation.

But with the rule set at one FCS school in the year your division has four Big Ten home games, that hypothetical incentive for Northern Iowa to move has disappeared.

I don't think adding one East and one West school works for getting enough votes in the MAC for expansion ... it leaves Toledo and Bowling Green divided so the MAC would still have to have the locked cross division schedules, except the impact gets worse with only two cross division games per year. Between hosting Toledo more often, and adding JMU, I figure the majority of the MAC East votes to host Toledo more often, which is a "No" vote on adding JMU.

I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

Take it FWIW.

Likely true. In fact I don't see any more move ups happening unless there is a shake up at the G5 level. CUSA's Inn is certainly full and the SB and MAC seem content with their membership. I don't think anyone has the resources or desire to go the Liberty route nd move up to independent status. If the AAC replaces a UCONN and a spot opens up it would be interesting to see if JMU would accept a spot in one of the conferences as they stand now if approached. Of course with UMASS, Liberty and NMSU hanging out there replacing a single member from an AAC raid would not necessarily mean a move up. If there's some major shake ups who knows.

If the Atlantic 10 continues to fade in basketball, it seems more likely the MAC would add UMass and then offer UConn for football only.

That would be huge for both the MAC and UConn. Those two could become legit football rivals.
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 09:13 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The P5 don’t want to see anymore schools added to FBS. The G5 conferences are acutely aware of this and fearing the kind of culling of the herd that occurred in 1978-1984 they will doing their best to keep the flow of upgrades to a trickle if not a complete end.

It all depends on how things shake out with the P5. If there is another round of raids then the reverberations will be felt all through the FBS. Thats why so many moved up this last decade. And even then we actually lost a conference and are a G5 instead of a G6.

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(02-07-2020 02:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 01:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:13 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The P5 don’t want to see anymore schools added to FBS. The G5 conferences are acutely aware of this and fearing the kind of culling of the herd that occurred in 1978-1984 they will doing their best to keep the flow of upgrades to a trickle if not a complete end.

Says who?

If I'm the P5 I'm hoping the non-power 5 keeps expanding so that it drives down the ever-increasing buy-game market.

The more FBS schools the more CFP money that has to be shared.

Also, if you can schedule JMU for a body bag game for $500K why would you want them to move up and make the cost of that game more than $1M?

Hmmm... my understanding is that the CFP splits between the P5 and G5 are largely separate. So, the P5 gets their take and then they leave it up to the G5 to split the rest to however they see fit. This means that additional G5 members (at least to my knowledge) don't do anything to the change the P5 CFP revenue.

Also, it's not about the price for a specific school like (in your example) JMU. Hypothetically, a P5 school can schedule an FCS JMU for $500,000 and an FBS MAC team for $1 million in today's world. What Kaplony is arguing (and I somewhat agree with him) is that bringing in more FBS G5 schools could mean that same P5 school could schedule a different FCS team for $500,000 and then an FBS JMU team for, say, $750,000. That P5 school is better off in the latter scenario.

It's not about the price for JMU specifically (where an FCS team is almost always more expensive than an FBS team), but rather what it does to drive the overall prices down for the entire ecosystem of FBS buy games.
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(02-07-2020 02:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 08:46 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 07:52 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 02:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Seems like the prediction is JMU and Missouri State joining an FBS conference as full members, NDSU joining an FBS conference as a FB-only member.

If the Big Ten AD's had stood firm on their "no FCS games" agreement, I might see Northern Iowa and NDSU into the MAC FB-only, putting Toledo in the Eastern division. Not likely, but possible.

IOW, so Northern Iowa can continue to play Iowa and Iowa State in alternation.

But with the rule set at one FCS school in the year your division has four Big Ten home games, that hypothetical incentive for Northern Iowa to move has disappeared.

I don't think adding one East and one West school works for getting enough votes in the MAC for expansion ... it leaves Toledo and Bowling Green divided so the MAC would still have to have the locked cross division schedules, except the impact gets worse with only two cross division games per year. Between hosting Toledo more often, and adding JMU, I figure the majority of the MAC East votes to host Toledo more often, which is a "No" vote on adding JMU.

I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

Take it FWIW.

Likely true. In fact I don't see any more move ups happening unless there is a shake up at the G5 level. CUSA's Inn is certainly full and the SB and MAC seem content with their membership. I don't think anyone has the resources or desire to go the Liberty route nd move up to independent status. If the AAC replaces a UCONN and a spot opens up it would be interesting to see if JMU would accept a spot in one of the conferences as they stand now if approached. Of course with UMASS, Liberty and NMSU hanging out there replacing a single member from an AAC raid would not necessarily mean a move up. If there's some major shake ups who knows.

If the Atlantic 10 continues to fade in basketball, it seems more likely the MAC would add UMass and then offer UConn for football only.

That would be huge for both the MAC and UConn. Those two could become legit football rivals.

We're already scheduling to play every season.

Also "A-10 continues to fade" is a bit much. Is it the heyday? No, but still clearly in the mix for top non-Power conferences and can have top seeds in the tournament (Dayton projects to be a 2 seed, and at this point there are likely going to be 3 A10 teams, and maybe a 4th if a bid is stolen in the conference tournament).
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RE: New FBS programs in the coming decade
(02-07-2020 02:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 01:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:13 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The P5 don’t want to see anymore schools added to FBS. The G5 conferences are acutely aware of this and fearing the kind of culling of the herd that occurred in 1978-1984 they will doing their best to keep the flow of upgrades to a trickle if not a complete end.

Says who?

If I'm the P5 I'm hoping the non-power 5 keeps expanding so that it drives down the ever-increasing buy-game market.

The more FBS schools the more CFP money that has to be shared.

No it doesn't. It means the G5 cut is divided that much more.

Quote:Also, if you can schedule JMU for a body bag game for $500K why would you want them to move up and make the cost of that game more than $1M?
Some of us can't schedule JMU now because of other commitments, plus the more G5 available for games the less demand the G5 has in payouts. "So you there at East Central State want $1 million for a game, but Northwest Coastal Polytechnical is only asking for $600k so we are going with them."
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(02-07-2020 09:46 AM)Illini60940 Wrote:  With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow

I'm not sure what Missouri State has done to be mentioned in the same sentence as the others.
They exist. Kind of like how several schools are mentioned in realignment piped dreams because of their supposed suppressed potential by being in the wrong conference or division.

MoSt has decent basketball. Decent baseball. Terrible football but were (maybe are?) growing at a higher rate than Mizzou, didn't have the controversy in political nature that Mizzou had, and a state "flagship". Also, their facilities already qualify for FBS.

Not a flagship, but they have a good name. Missouri is a decent sized state that is underrepresented in FBS with just MU. Missouri State is a big school, so they have the student population. They are not in a middle sized metro so they have the population without having the big city entertainment competition.

Few of the schools that have moved up have done "anything" prior to moving up. If that was the criteria, McNeese would have moved up out of the Southland and ULM, North Texas, La Tech and Arkansas St. would have stayed down. Montana would have moved up out of the Big Sky and Boise St., Idaho and Nevada would have stayed down. In the South, Texas St., UTSA, USA, Middle Tennessee, Georgia St., FAU, FIU, Coastal Carolina, UNCC and ODU did nothing. Marshall, Appalachian St. and Georgia Southern are the exceptions. UMass, Troy and WKU had some good years, but weren't consistent powers.
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(02-07-2020 07:52 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

Take it FWIW.

Likely true. In fact I don't see any more move ups happening unless there is a shake up at the G5 level. CUSA's Inn is certainly full and the SB and MAC seem content with their membership. I don't think anyone has the resources or desire to go the Liberty route nd move up to independent status. If the AAC replaces a UCONN and a spot opens up it would be interesting to see if JMU would accept a spot in one of the conferences as they stand now if approached. Of course with UMASS, Liberty and NMSU hanging out there replacing a single member from an AAC raid would not necessarily mean a move up. If there's some major shake ups who knows.

If the Atlantic 10 continues to fade in basketball, it seems more likely the MAC would add UMass and then offer UConn for football only.

That would be huge for both the MAC and UConn. Those two could become legit football rivals.

We're already scheduling to play every season.

Also "A-10 continues to fade" is a bit much. Is it the heyday? No, but still clearly in the mix for top non-Power conferences and can have top seeds in the tournament (Dayton projects to be a 2 seed, and at this point there are likely going to be 3 A10 teams, and maybe a 4th if a bid is stolen in the conference tournament).

Dayton and St. Louis have good facilities. But most of the Atlantic 10 plays in gyms that would embarrass an Indiana high school. So if they don't have consistently stronger programs than the MAC, there's no reason for UMass to stay.
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(02-07-2020 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 03:04 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 02:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 08:46 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Likely true. In fact I don't see any more move ups happening unless there is a shake up at the G5 level. CUSA's Inn is certainly full and the SB and MAC seem content with their membership. I don't think anyone has the resources or desire to go the Liberty route nd move up to independent status. If the AAC replaces a UCONN and a spot opens up it would be interesting to see if JMU would accept a spot in one of the conferences as they stand now if approached. Of course with UMASS, Liberty and NMSU hanging out there replacing a single member from an AAC raid would not necessarily mean a move up. If there's some major shake ups who knows.

If the Atlantic 10 continues to fade in basketball, it seems more likely the MAC would add UMass and then offer UConn for football only.

That would be huge for both the MAC and UConn. Those two could become legit football rivals.

We're already scheduling to play every season.

Also "A-10 continues to fade" is a bit much. Is it the heyday? No, but still clearly in the mix for top non-Power conferences and can have top seeds in the tournament (Dayton projects to be a 2 seed, and at this point there are likely going to be 3 A10 teams, and maybe a 4th if a bid is stolen in the conference tournament).

Dayton and St. Louis have good facilities. But most of the Atlantic 10 plays in gyms that would embarrass an Indiana high school. So if they don't have consistently stronger programs than the MAC, there's no reason for UMass to stay.

I'd take Dayton, VCU, St. Louis, Richmond, Rhode Island and Davidson over any MAC program every day. St. Bonaventure, St. Joseph's and GW are probably at the top tier of MAC schools, and George Mason and Duquesne aren't far behind (the Duquesne coach left FROM the MAC to be there). The MAC hasn't had an at-large team since 1999. The A-10 could have as many as four this season if everything breaks their way, but they'll have at least one and probably more.

The A-10 is significantly better than the MAC, has been for a long time and will be for the foreseeable future. There's a reason UMass left the MAC in football instead of the A-10 in everything else.
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There really isn't any incentive for P5 schools to oppose any FCS to FBS move. Any money that goes to the G5 from the CFP is basically fixed. More G5 teams the less each gets from the CFP.

As for body bag games, the basic reason FBS teams get more in general than FCS teams is because the P5 can only count one FCS win per year toward bowl eligibility. If more FCS schools move to FBS, the law of supply and demand will take over and FBS body bag games will become relatively cheaper. Probably still not as cheap as an FCS game, but still better for the P5 school.

At some point, though, it seems as if the current G5 teams would rebel against more moveups, though I'm not sure it will do them any good. They don't have a lot of leverage.
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(02-07-2020 03:04 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
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(02-07-2020 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(02-07-2020 07:52 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I went to the JMU board to get fans' opinions (yes, I know fans are not the decision makers), and they think JMU is holding out for a reshuffle between C-USA and the Sun Belt. They said they would like to be in a league with, namely, ODU, Marshall, and App State, along with other regional opponents. The MAC doesn't seem to be on their radar.

Take it FWIW.

Likely true. In fact I don't see any more move ups happening unless there is a shake up at the G5 level. CUSA's Inn is certainly full and the SB and MAC seem content with their membership. I don't think anyone has the resources or desire to go the Liberty route nd move up to independent status. If the AAC replaces a UCONN and a spot opens up it would be interesting to see if JMU would accept a spot in one of the conferences as they stand now if approached. Of course with UMASS, Liberty and NMSU hanging out there replacing a single member from an AAC raid would not necessarily mean a move up. If there's some major shake ups who knows.

If the Atlantic 10 continues to fade in basketball, it seems more likely the MAC would add UMass and then offer UConn for football only.

That would be huge for both the MAC and UConn. Those two could become legit football rivals.

We're already scheduling to play every season.

Also "A-10 continues to fade" is a bit much. Is it the heyday? No, but still clearly in the mix for top non-Power conferences and can have top seeds in the tournament (Dayton projects to be a 2 seed, and at this point there are likely going to be 3 A10 teams, and maybe a 4th if a bid is stolen in the conference tournament).

But usually when the games mean more as in a conference game it is more common for rivalries to form. I mean for example that the team Notre Dame has played the most ever is Pitt. Does anyone really consider those two as "rivals"? No. Though i'm sure some Pitt fans would like to think it is but it's just not.
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(02-07-2020 04:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  There really isn't any incentive for P5 schools to oppose any FCS to FBS move. Any money that goes to the G5 from the CFP is basically fixed. More G5 teams the less each gets from the CFP.

As for body bag games, the basic reason FBS teams get more in general than FCS teams is because the P5 can only count one FCS win per year toward bowl eligibility. If more FCS schools move to FBS, the law of supply and demand will take over and FBS body bag games will become relatively cheaper. Probably still not as cheap as an FCS game, but still better for the P5 school.

At some point, though, it seems as if the current G5 teams would rebel against more moveups, though I'm not sure it will do them any good. They don't have a lot of leverage.

The only way and the only likely reason more FCS teams move up is if there is a shake up of the P5 that reverberates through everyone else. If a G5 ends up with less than 10 teams they will expand to keep their status. The music stops and the Sun Belt or CUSA is in that spot they will make some calls to the FCS.
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(02-07-2020 04:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  There really isn't any incentive for P5 schools to oppose any FCS to FBS move. Any money that goes to the G5 from the CFP is basically fixed. More G5 teams the less each gets from the CFP.

As for body bag games, the basic reason FBS teams get more in general than FCS teams is because the P5 can only count one FCS win per year toward bowl eligibility. If more FCS schools move to FBS, the law of supply and demand will take over and FBS body bag games will become relatively cheaper. Probably still not as cheap as an FCS game, but still better for the P5 school.

At some point, though, it seems as if the current G5 teams would rebel against more moveups, though I'm not sure it will do them any good. They don't have a lot of leverage.

The only way and the only likely reason more FCS teams move up is if there is a shake up of the P5 that reverberates through everyone else. If a G5 ends up with less than 10 teams they will expand to keep their status. The music stops and the Sun Belt or CUSA is in that spot they will make some calls to the FCS.

You also have to think that a shake up in the P5 (Big 12 getting raided is the most plausible) the pattern of movement you’re most likely to see is:

Big 12 takes from AAC

AAC takes from C-USA

With 10 being the new optimal G5 conference size, C-USA has 4 spare schools. They could take a hit and choose not to replace anyone. In the end, they save money in the downsizing.
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(02-07-2020 09:13 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The P5 don’t want to see anymore schools added to FBS. The G5 conferences are acutely aware of this and fearing the kind of culling of the herd that occurred in 1978-1984 they will doing their best to keep the flow of upgrades to a trickle if not a complete end.


The politics back then are different than they are today. Since the cost will go up with all the issues with the heath, safety, tech, cost of travel, FCOA and pay for play? There could be a resuffle of conferences and might see schools like UAB, Troy, S. Alabama, Jacksonville State and North Alabama in the same conference. It would save the schools a lot of money on travel for football. We could see Boise, Hawaii, UNR, San Diego State, Fresno State, Utah State, Colorado State and Montana State in the PAC 20. This is a tight group as an example. Not going to happen, but it is more of an example of cost savings for the Athletic Departments and for the fans to travel that could help fill the stands.
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(02-07-2020 04:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  There really isn't any incentive for P5 schools to oppose any FCS to FBS move. Any money that goes to the G5 from the CFP is basically fixed. More G5 teams the less each gets from the CFP.

As for body bag games, the basic reason FBS teams get more in general than FCS teams is because the P5 can only count one FCS win per year toward bowl eligibility. If more FCS schools move to FBS, the law of supply and demand will take over and FBS body bag games will become relatively cheaper. Probably still not as cheap as an FCS game, but still better for the P5 school.

At some point, though, it seems as if the current G5 teams would rebel against more moveups, though I'm not sure it will do them any good. They don't have a lot of leverage.

The only way and the only likely reason more FCS teams move up is if there is a shake up of the P5 that reverberates through everyone else. If a G5 ends up with less than 10 teams they will expand to keep their status. The music stops and the Sun Belt or CUSA is in that spot they will make some calls to the FCS.

You also have to think that a shake up in the P5 (Big 12 getting raided is the most plausible) the pattern of movement you’re most likely to see is:

Big 12 takes from AAC

AAC takes from C-USA

With 10 being the new optimal G5 conference size, C-USA has 4 spare schools. They could take a hit and choose not to replace anyone. In the end, they save money in the downsizing.


Bringing more schools up from FCS would give you inventory for more of a pool to get a way from a 5-7 school from getting a bowl birth. It could add more bowl games, more tv exposure and more money into the system.
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(02-07-2020 04:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  There really isn't any incentive for P5 schools to oppose any FCS to FBS move. Any money that goes to the G5 from the CFP is basically fixed. More G5 teams the less each gets from the CFP.

As for body bag games, the basic reason FBS teams get more in general than FCS teams is because the P5 can only count one FCS win per year toward bowl eligibility. If more FCS schools move to FBS, the law of supply and demand will take over and FBS body bag games will become relatively cheaper. Probably still not as cheap as an FCS game, but still better for the P5 school.

At some point, though, it seems as if the current G5 teams would rebel against more moveups, though I'm not sure it will do them any good. They don't have a lot of leverage.

The only way and the only likely reason more FCS teams move up is if there is a shake up of the P5 that reverberates through everyone else. If a G5 ends up with less than 10 teams they will expand to keep their status. The music stops and the Sun Belt or CUSA is in that spot they will make some calls to the FCS.

You also have to think that a shake up in the P5 (Big 12 getting raided is the most plausible) the pattern of movement you’re most likely to see is:

Big 12 takes from AAC

AAC takes from C-USA

With 10 being the new optimal G5 conference size, C-USA has 4 spare schools. They could take a hit and choose not to replace anyone. In the end, they save money in the downsizing.

It would depend. The difference in splitting CFP money 10 ways as opposed to 12 or 14 is $200k-$400k per team so that’s not going to be the deciding factor imo. Depending on how big the hit is, the AAC might be smart to split East and west at that point. If they lose 4 of their best brands they’re going to be in the same situation CUSA was facing a big cut in media money and spread out from the east coast to Texas.
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(02-07-2020 09:13 AM)megadrone Wrote:  I can't see Stony Brook (or any SUNY school) moving up.

I don’t think the campaign was quite as successful as desired, but maybe I’m wrong?

When the campaign started, the two big athletic projects were the indoor facility and the stadium expansion. The planned expansion put them over the FBS threshold.

I do think they were/are trying for FBS, but it’s possible the money didn’t come in to support sustained success at that level.
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(02-06-2020 05:48 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:37 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The 2010's saw 11 programs join the FBS level.

UTSA
Charlotte
Old Dominion
Texas State
South Alabama
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Liberty
UMass

What are your predictions of current FCS teams, or even non existent football teams, that will join FBS by 2030? And what league, if any, will take them?
I wonder if NDSU will get tired of winning FCS titles and go as a FBS indy or in a pair as a football only to the MAC w SDSU


Everybody but UMass who joined FBS in the 2010s was a Southeastern team. And every team I can think of that joined FBS in the 2000s was also a Southeastern team.

Nobody outside the Southeast joins FBS. I suspect NDSU will remain at FCS.
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(02-07-2020 12:13 PM)Illini60940 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:35 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:46 AM)Illini60940 Wrote:  With the difference between the MAC and MVFC fairly small, I could see NDSU, SDSU, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri St making the jump, especially if one does others could follow

You're an idiot. Dear lord how many burner accounts is DavidSt allowed to have......

I don't think anything I said is earthshattering or a big stretch, MAC is the weakest FBS and MVFC is the best FCS. Several of their schools could step in right now and be competitive in all sports.


The MAC is usually better than the Sun Belt. This year's Appalachian State team was the first Sun Belt team to ever finish in the top 25.
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