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RE: That’s Enough, Fordham
It's a hit piece. But frankly they also need to jettison St. Bony (in the boonies) and LaSalle (St. Joe's is a much better Philly school for the A10, why the weak sister?), neither of whom has the financial capacity to compete consistently in the A10 and both of whom have very poor AI, don't fit the academic standards of the A10.

Fordham does probably belong in the Patriot where they play football.

Anyway, the conference is stuck with these schools for better or worse, since you pretty much have to dissolve the conference to get rid of them.
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RE: That’s Enough, Fordham
(02-06-2020 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 08:18 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 07:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  The MAAC is exactly where Fordham belongs. All of their natural regional rivals would be together.

They belong in the Patriot. They are totally that kind of school, and they recruit accordingly.

I get the impression the academic index, while it doesn't apply to Fordham basketball the same way as it does to Fordham football in the Patriot, is still something very much considered there at the school. They probably chase some of the same guys Patriot and Ivy chase, and use the A10 exposure to their benefit. Never seems to have worked, though.

Agreed. They are much more like those schools. I never understood the draw with them and the Atlantic-10.

I can see the Patriot, but let's face it. We see this fan logic everywhere with respect to conference realignment, where "School X is in higher-level Conference A but would be doing sooooo much better in lower-level Conference B."

Maybe it's true and may it's not true, but it's pretty rare to see any school *willingly* downgrade conferences. The leaders at schools don't ever think that way... and I totally understand. If Fordham left the A-10 for the MAAC and then starts doing well, then they're going to eventually want to upgrade conferences, which means they'd want to go to a conference like... the A-10. If I'm a university president running Fordham, that's a non-starter to go through that type of circle. Being in the best possible conference that will have you *is* the end game for the vast majority of schools in America. There's no such thing in conference realignment as going a step backwards in order to try to go two steps forward. That simply doesn't happen. Once you have a place in the best conference possible, you simply don't give that place up, no matter how the performance on-the-field/court might be there.

A little tidbit: this did happen in the early 2000's when VMI voluntarily left the more established, stronger SoCon (of which it had been a member for 70 years) for the Big South with the hope of becoming more competitive in football and other sports. A dozen or so years later, after five schools left the SoCon, VMI came back.

Just an FYI. I doubt Fordham would follow the same course.
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RE: That’s Enough, Fordham
You have more than a few of these smaller private D1 schools up the northeast who should maybe consider hanging D1 up. LaSalle is one of them. Rider another. I'm sure MAAC and NEC have a few who shouldn't be doing this anymore.

Meanwhile, you have growing schools who get boxed out of places because of politics. NJIT really should be in America East, but, they aren't likely due to them not following the script AE provided them for support. NEC and MAAC won't touch them because of all of the nearby private schools in NJ and NY metro who fear these public schools and think they have the resources to trounce the tiny private schools. The Stony-Hofstra-CAA thing comes to mind. Yet, nobody's entitled to a spot, but, again, the decisions keeping schools in and out of places? Illogical from an operations or financial standpoint.

For Fordham and the A10, the bigger issue is truly defining the "power core" of the conference. We think VCU-types lead this...they don't. It's the St. Bonnies, St. Joe's, G-Dubs, and other small schools, and UMass and Dayton, who probably do. We're definitely thinking like fans if we're calling for removal of the La Salle's and Bonnie's of the conference...those guys have the years on many of the current members. They're probably very safe.
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RE: That’s Enough, Fordham
(02-06-2020 04:30 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 08:18 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 07:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  The MAAC is exactly where Fordham belongs. All of their natural regional rivals would be together.

They belong in the Patriot. They are totally that kind of school, and they recruit accordingly.

I get the impression the academic index, while it doesn't apply to Fordham basketball the same way as it does to Fordham football in the Patriot, is still something very much considered there at the school. They probably chase some of the same guys Patriot and Ivy chase, and use the A10 exposure to their benefit. Never seems to have worked, though.

Agreed. They are much more like those schools. I never understood the draw with them and the Atlantic-10.

I can see the Patriot, but let's face it. We see this fan logic everywhere with respect to conference realignment, where "School X is in higher-level Conference A but would be doing sooooo much better in lower-level Conference B."

Maybe it's true and may it's not true, but it's pretty rare to see any school *willingly* downgrade conferences. The leaders at schools don't ever think that way... and I totally understand. If Fordham left the A-10 for the MAAC and then starts doing well, then they're going to eventually want to upgrade conferences, which means they'd want to go to a conference like... the A-10. If I'm a university president running Fordham, that's a non-starter to go through that type of circle. Being in the best possible conference that will have you *is* the end game for the vast majority of schools in America. There's no such thing in conference realignment as going a step backwards in order to try to go two steps forward. That simply doesn't happen. Once you have a place in the best conference possible, you simply don't give that place up, no matter how the performance on-the-field/court might be there.

A little tidbit: this did happen in the early 2000's when VMI voluntarily left the more established, stronger SoCon (of which it had been a member for 70 years) for the Big South with the hope of becoming more competitive in football and other sports. A dozen or so years later, after five schools left the SoCon, VMI came back.

Just an FYI. I doubt Fordham would follow the same course.

True. You could argue that Army did the same thing when it left the old C-USA for independence in football. Of course, VMI and Army truly do have entirely different missions compared to all but a few other schools in the country.
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RE: That’s Enough, Fordham
(02-06-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 04:30 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 08:18 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  They belong in the Patriot. They are totally that kind of school, and they recruit accordingly.

I get the impression the academic index, while it doesn't apply to Fordham basketball the same way as it does to Fordham football in the Patriot, is still something very much considered there at the school. They probably chase some of the same guys Patriot and Ivy chase, and use the A10 exposure to their benefit. Never seems to have worked, though.

Agreed. They are much more like those schools. I never understood the draw with them and the Atlantic-10.

I can see the Patriot, but let's face it. We see this fan logic everywhere with respect to conference realignment, where "School X is in higher-level Conference A but would be doing sooooo much better in lower-level Conference B."

Maybe it's true and may it's not true, but it's pretty rare to see any school *willingly* downgrade conferences. The leaders at schools don't ever think that way... and I totally understand. If Fordham left the A-10 for the MAAC and then starts doing well, then they're going to eventually want to upgrade conferences, which means they'd want to go to a conference like... the A-10. If I'm a university president running Fordham, that's a non-starter to go through that type of circle. Being in the best possible conference that will have you *is* the end game for the vast majority of schools in America. There's no such thing in conference realignment as going a step backwards in order to try to go two steps forward. That simply doesn't happen. Once you have a place in the best conference possible, you simply don't give that place up, no matter how the performance on-the-field/court might be there.

A little tidbit: this did happen in the early 2000's when VMI voluntarily left the more established, stronger SoCon (of which it had been a member for 70 years) for the Big South with the hope of becoming more competitive in football and other sports. A dozen or so years later, after five schools left the SoCon, VMI came back.

Just an FYI. I doubt Fordham would follow the same course.

True. You could argue that Army did the same thing when it left the old C-USA for independence in football. Of course, VMI and Army truly do have entirely different missions compared to all but a few other schools in the country.

The other thing is they weren't any better in the Big South than they were the SoCon. If you're going to be a poor athletic program, might as well do it with traditional rivals like The Citadel.
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RE: That’s Enough, Fordham
(02-06-2020 05:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 04:30 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Agreed. They are much more like those schools. I never understood the draw with them and the Atlantic-10.

I can see the Patriot, but let's face it. We see this fan logic everywhere with respect to conference realignment, where "School X is in higher-level Conference A but would be doing sooooo much better in lower-level Conference B."

Maybe it's true and may it's not true, but it's pretty rare to see any school *willingly* downgrade conferences. The leaders at schools don't ever think that way... and I totally understand. If Fordham left the A-10 for the MAAC and then starts doing well, then they're going to eventually want to upgrade conferences, which means they'd want to go to a conference like... the A-10. If I'm a university president running Fordham, that's a non-starter to go through that type of circle. Being in the best possible conference that will have you *is* the end game for the vast majority of schools in America. There's no such thing in conference realignment as going a step backwards in order to try to go two steps forward. That simply doesn't happen. Once you have a place in the best conference possible, you simply don't give that place up, no matter how the performance on-the-field/court might be there.

A little tidbit: this did happen in the early 2000's when VMI voluntarily left the more established, stronger SoCon (of which it had been a member for 70 years) for the Big South with the hope of becoming more competitive in football and other sports. A dozen or so years later, after five schools left the SoCon, VMI came back.

Just an FYI. I doubt Fordham would follow the same course.

True. You could argue that Army did the same thing when it left the old C-USA for independence in football. Of course, VMI and Army truly do have entirely different missions compared to all but a few other schools in the country.

The other thing is they weren't any better in the Big South than they were the SoCon. If you're going to be a poor athletic program, might as well do it with traditional rivals like The Citadel.

Yes. I completely understand VMI's motivation to come back to the SoCon.

On the other hand, and this is getting admittedly off topic, I think the SoCon made a big mistake football wise taking VMI back in instead of Kennesaw State. The departure of App State and Georgia Southern left a gaping hole in football. VMI had zero track record that it could boost football strength. Adding Kennesaw State would have been a way of saying, "We're not going down without a fight," but the league chose institutional fit (for the private schools and The Citadel, not so much for the larger public schools) over what would boost the league's profile.

The SoCon was once the premier FCS league in the land. Four different schools collected a total of 12 titles, but no one has contended at all since App and Ga. Southern left.
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(02-06-2020 04:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  You have more than a few of these smaller private D1 schools up the northeast who should maybe consider hanging D1 up. LaSalle is one of them. Rider another. I'm sure MAAC and NEC have a few who shouldn't be doing this anymore.

Meanwhile, you have growing schools who get boxed out of places because of politics. NJIT really should be in America East, but, they aren't likely due to them not following the script AE provided them for support. NEC and MAAC won't touch them because of all of the nearby private schools in NJ and NY metro who fear these public schools and think they have the resources to trounce the tiny private schools. The Stony-Hofstra-CAA thing comes to mind. Yet, nobody's entitled to a spot, but, again, the decisions keeping schools in and out of places? Illogical from an operations or financial standpoint.

For Fordham and the A10, the bigger issue is truly defining the "power core" of the conference. We think VCU-types lead this...they don't. It's the St. Bonnies, St. Joe's, G-Dubs, and other small schools, and UMass and Dayton, who probably do. We're definitely thinking like fans if we're calling for removal of the La Salle's and Bonnie's of the conference...those guys have the years on many of the current members. They're probably very safe.

Another thing is that every conference has bottom feeders. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the A-10, Big Ten or MAAC. Frankly, Fordham is an example of the one of the *best* types of bottom feeders: an excellent academic school located in NYC. Even if they don't deliver much TV contract or NCAA Tournament credit value, it's at least a way for all of the other A-10 members to pitch their NYC area recruits that they're at least getting regular trips back home in front of their families. If a league is going to have a bottom feeder, Fordham is one of the best types out there.
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RE: That’s Enough, Fordham
(02-06-2020 06:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 04:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  You have more than a few of these smaller private D1 schools up the northeast who should maybe consider hanging D1 up. LaSalle is one of them. Rider another. I'm sure MAAC and NEC have a few who shouldn't be doing this anymore.

Meanwhile, you have growing schools who get boxed out of places because of politics. NJIT really should be in America East, but, they aren't likely due to them not following the script AE provided them for support. NEC and MAAC won't touch them because of all of the nearby private schools in NJ and NY metro who fear these public schools and think they have the resources to trounce the tiny private schools. The Stony-Hofstra-CAA thing comes to mind. Yet, nobody's entitled to a spot, but, again, the decisions keeping schools in and out of places? Illogical from an operations or financial standpoint.

For Fordham and the A10, the bigger issue is truly defining the "power core" of the conference. We think VCU-types lead this...they don't. It's the St. Bonnies, St. Joe's, G-Dubs, and other small schools, and UMass and Dayton, who probably do. We're definitely thinking like fans if we're calling for removal of the La Salle's and Bonnie's of the conference...those guys have the years on many of the current members. They're probably very safe.

Another thing is that every conference has bottom feeders. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the A-10, Big Ten or MAAC. Frankly, Fordham is an example of the one of the *best* types of bottom feeders: an excellent academic school located in NYC. Even if they don't deliver much TV contract or NCAA Tournament credit value, it's at least a way for all of the other A-10 members to pitch their NYC area recruits that they're at least getting regular trips back home in front of their families. If a league is going to have a bottom feeder, Fordham is one of the best types out there.

Not to mention getting their NYC alumni to games and hitting them up for donations. Having alum parties beforehand and what not. Keeping the big money alums happy is big for smaller schools.
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Fordham Fun Fact

back in the day Fordham had a shot (kind of) at joining the BE. they were in consideration to play at the Meadowlands. Seton Hall did instead giving them the edge.
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A-10 should kick out Fordham and LaSalle and add Vermont and Delaware.
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(02-06-2020 10:48 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  A-10 should kick out Fordham and LaSalle and add Vermont and Delaware.
There's no basketball talent native to Vermont.

Add UMBC in its place. The Baltimore-DC corridor is rich in basketball talent, and A-10 association would give UMBC a boost in credibility among basketball recruits in the DMV.
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No school wants to vote to expel a member for poor athletic performance. Once that prescient is set it could be used on their own school. Also the core members and those also at the bottom would never vote for it.
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(02-06-2020 11:41 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 10:48 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  A-10 should kick out Fordham and LaSalle and add Vermont and Delaware.
There's no basketball talent native to Vermont.

Add UMBC in its place. The Baltimore-DC corridor is rich in basketball talent, and A-10 association would give UMBC a boost in credibility among basketball recruits in the DMV.
Vermont is investing in their facilities and are opening a brand new arena soon. They have had quite a bit of success lately as well. Also it’s not that far from good recruiting areas, and they’re a state flagship like URI and UMass.
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In the late 70’s VMI won a few “Big 5” titles over UVA, VaTech, Richmond, and William & Mary. All the schools used to play every year and they regularly featured at in-season bowls the Tobacco Bowl (Richmond) and the Oyster Bowl (Norfolk).

I posted this in the alternate realignment board as well: ~1976, reps from Richmond, William & Mary, VMI, South Carolina, ECU, and Southern Miss met in Richmond to discuss forming a new conference.

It’s amazing how VMI, and to a lesser extent, Richmond and W&M were left behind. The latter two committed to “big-time” football by going Independent, but didn’t receive total support apparently, and eventually dropped to 1-AA in the 80’s.
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(02-06-2020 03:31 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 12:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:33 AM)esayem Wrote:  
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(02-06-2020 10:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  Nah, Fordham is a good fit. They just need to spend a little money and make better hires.

I always find it amusing when a booster from one team takes on what another school should do. Seems to be a bit over-reaching.

It must have been a down day for his team!

Yeah, it’s strange. If St. Joe’s can be successful for years in the league, then Fordham is surely capable. Not sure why any schools in the region haven’t thrown a pile of money at Tim Cluess.

St. Joe's actually has a strong basketball tradition dating back to Big Five days in Philly. Fordham has none at all. They would have a pretty decent gym if they were a high school team. It's a commuter school in the Bronx (not far from "Fort Apache" territory).

Recruiting is always going to be a challenge at Fordham. Their athletic peers (not just in hoops) are always going to be Catholic schools like Iona, Manhattan, St. Peter's, Fairfield and the like where they would have minimal travel expenses. They are outclassed (athletically, at least) in the A-10.

I know several people who are St. Joe's fans. None of them went to St. Joe's.

I've never met a Fordham fan.

You can thank Jameer Nelson and Delonte West for that.
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(02-07-2020 07:50 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:41 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 10:48 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  A-10 should kick out Fordham and LaSalle and add Vermont and Delaware.
There's no basketball talent native to Vermont.

Add UMBC in its place. The Baltimore-DC corridor is rich in basketball talent, and A-10 association would give UMBC a boost in credibility among basketball recruits in the DMV.
Vermont is investing in their facilities and are opening a brand new arena soon. They have had quite a bit of success lately as well. Also it’s not that far from good recruiting areas, and they’re a state flagship like URI and UMass.

UMBC also only has two NCAA tournament appearances in their history. Granted they have the only ever upset of a #1 seed as a #16, but still. They also have 0 NIT appearances ever.

Vermont, on the other hand, has 7 NCAA appearances and 4 NIT appearances, all since 2003. That's ~20 sustained years of pretty decent success right there. Yeah, they haven't been able to do much with that so far, but still better than UMBC.


All of this means nothing of course. The A10 isn't expanding unless (most likely) 3 teams are poached off for other conferences. And where the expansion happens will likely be based on who is taken for other conferences.

If UMass somehow gets into another conference for all sports, Vermont most likely wouldn't get a single thought. GW and Mason are both most likely staying no matter what, as are St. Joes and La Salle, so UMBC wouldn't really add much territory regardless - they'd just plop themselves in the middle of those 4.
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A-10 plays conf tourn in Brooklyn
To protect tourn, Hofsrta, Stoneybrook, Siena
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(02-07-2020 10:55 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  A-10 plays conf tourn in Brooklyn
To protect tourn, Hofsrta, Stoneybrook, Siena

The only one that would get a look is Siena, and only as a replacement for Fordham.
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(02-07-2020 07:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  No school wants to vote to expel a member for poor athletic performance. Once that prescient is set it could be used on their own school. Also the core members and those also at the bottom would never vote for it.

Correct. Ultimately, poor athletic performance is NOT a breach of contract. There are plenty of specific reasons as to how a conference member can be removed in the bylaws of a league, but simply having poor athletic performance will never be one of them.
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(02-06-2020 06:45 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 06:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 04:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  You have more than a few of these smaller private D1 schools up the northeast who should maybe consider hanging D1 up. LaSalle is one of them. Rider another. I'm sure MAAC and NEC have a few who shouldn't be doing this anymore.

Meanwhile, you have growing schools who get boxed out of places because of politics. NJIT really should be in America East, but, they aren't likely due to them not following the script AE provided them for support. NEC and MAAC won't touch them because of all of the nearby private schools in NJ and NY metro who fear these public schools and think they have the resources to trounce the tiny private schools. The Stony-Hofstra-CAA thing comes to mind. Yet, nobody's entitled to a spot, but, again, the decisions keeping schools in and out of places? Illogical from an operations or financial standpoint.

For Fordham and the A10, the bigger issue is truly defining the "power core" of the conference. We think VCU-types lead this...they don't. It's the St. Bonnies, St. Joe's, G-Dubs, and other small schools, and UMass and Dayton, who probably do. We're definitely thinking like fans if we're calling for removal of the La Salle's and Bonnie's of the conference...those guys have the years on many of the current members. They're probably very safe.

Another thing is that every conference has bottom feeders. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the A-10, Big Ten or MAAC. Frankly, Fordham is an example of the one of the *best* types of bottom feeders: an excellent academic school located in NYC. Even if they don't deliver much TV contract or NCAA Tournament credit value, it's at least a way for all of the other A-10 members to pitch their NYC area recruits that they're at least getting regular trips back home in front of their families. If a league is going to have a bottom feeder, Fordham is one of the best types out there.

Not to mention getting their NYC alumni to games and hitting them up for donations. Having alum parties beforehand and what not. Keeping the big money alums happy is big for smaller schools.

The wine and cheeser's are the reason they should be in the Patriot. It's just not a thing most of the others have in the A10 (maybe G-Dubs?). And it's not like this is a school who plays in Manhattan. They're in the Bronx, and that (still, sadly) repels people from wanting to come out. They play in a gym. The kids don't show up. It's not a place to see a game.

I don't disagree Fordham could be many things positive for a conference like the A10. Or others. But, quite honestly, being rich, having potential to be good, and simply not pursuing competitiveness doesn't look terribly unlike being small, poor and having little success, either. To me, you could swap out Fordham for Columbia, LIU, or St. Francis and still have these benefits across them. Most all of them bad in the sport.
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