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RE: Rein them in, call plays from the start
(02-06-2020 05:32 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:26 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  And one of the best defenses in the country. This staff is doing a great job with this young team. Don’t care what anyone says.

Yeah, yeah we get it. Nevermind the terrible defensive issues like none of our players cut to the basket on opponents shots. Nevermind that none of the players defend players with the ball properly (not even a one hand up, one hand down approach). There's a reason why teams tend to shoot lights out against us, our players have not been taught how to defend properly.

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(02-06-2020 09:47 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 09:08 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  17-5 missing his 2 best players. 'Nuff said.

Well said. 04-cheers

This program is light years ahead of where it was just a few short years ago with arguably the best ambassador/head coach we've ever had, and some will still complain about things. Go Tigers!

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(02-06-2020 06:15 AM)Tigermemphis Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 02:21 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  On the plus side we only had 16 turnovers, 2 more than I hoped for but less than we've been having.

That's just an incredible statement. Can you believe we are all thinking this way? "on the plus side we only had 16 turnovers". I'm happy about that too, but that's insane that a fan or any knowledgeable basketball person would be happy about 16 turnovers (usually half to 2/3 of them are completely unforced). But that's this team. At least we didn't have 25 so hooray!

They are what they are. A bunch of 18 and 19 year olds who want to play fast and fun. I am not dogging them.......I like watching the talent and what they are capable at times, but I definitely am setting a record on the number of screaming outbursts and pillow beating for me this year every time they throw the ball wherever.

Hope we can make the tourney and see what happens.

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RE: Rein them in, call plays from the start
(02-06-2020 11:43 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
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(02-05-2020 10:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Glad to hear Penny saying he has started calling plays. Should have been from the beginning.

We’ve heard Penny say this half a dozen times at halftime.
“I need to rein them in, use the reins, call more set plays”
Even the announcers called him out on it in the 2nd half.
If you’re constantly having to do this, why let them play haphazard in the first place?

We know Penny has the basketball IQ. I believe the question here is does he have the dogged patience and coaching ethic to change philosophy mid season?

Every player wants to push the pace, and the coach has been cheering them on from the start....I believe he tells them, if you can build a lead, then I’ll let you continue to play fast and make you’re own choices. I think this is a habit learned from an NBA style that just doesn’t work in college, especially with freshmen. How many NBA games are free wheeling that only get serious in the 4th quarter?

He’s effectively admitting to this Achilles heel issue on National TV every week. Two weeks ago his final pregame speech word was “Zoom!”

But we’ve seen a dozen times this team fall behind early, and have to crawl back. It’s not working. Also, it’s not how he’ll be able to coach or play in the conference tournament or NCAA’s against quality competition.

This team doesn’t value every possession and it shows. If our coach valued every possession then he’d demonstrate it by forcing them to slow it down and be more deliberate.

He’s also admitted that he’s surprised at the defensive rankings and poor offensive play.

Maybe it’s a style thing, and we will never change. As fans we love a fast pace, but smart Tiger fans would say adjust the tempo based on your players capabilities. We’d all like to see less turnovers at the cost of scoring fewer points.

I feel like the coaches got this team and designed a sports car with Bond gadgets that goes fast and plays great defense.

But the car has evolved in the season into a Mack Truck. (Think Virginia)
Coach has to adjust his driving style because a truck can still win the conference tournament and beyond. What if the team goal is to keep them under 50, not first to 80. Win ugly games under 50 points?
It’s not fun to play or coach, but it is fun to win.

I love Coach Hardaway’s honesty and direct frankness especially in his press conferences. But he’s so open, that there’s nothing to hide. We see it in games, we hear it over and over.

The team played well tonight. I’m glad for this win. Here’s to winning a lot more by the end of the season...

17-5 missing his 2 best players. 'Nuff said.

I remember so many people making similar statements in 2008 about free-throws.. 28-1.. they will make them when it counts.

Ignoring obvious problems because they havent bitten you yet is very short sighted.

I make 4k a week and I only spend 1k a week on cocaine and meth, whats the big deal? I can sustain this forever....

hey buddy, can you spare a dimebag?
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(02-06-2020 11:53 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
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(02-06-2020 09:08 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  17-5 missing his 2 best players. 'Nuff said.

I remember so many people making similar statements in 2008 about free-throws.. 28-1.. they will make them when it counts.

Ignoring obvious problems because they havent bitten you yet is very short sighted.

I make 4k a week and I only spend 1k a week on cocaine and meth, whats the big deal? I can sustain this forever....

take that team and remove Rose after 3 games and have Dozier tear a PCL halfway through the season...then it's similar.

What are you talking about and how does that have anything to do with the bolded quote?

so you can't read? how sad...

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(02-06-2020 12:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:53 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:52 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:49 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 11:43 AM)memtigbb Wrote:   I remember so many people making similar statements in 2008 about free-throws.. 28-1.. they will make them when it counts.

Ignoring obvious problems because they havent bitten you yet is very short sighted.

I make 4k a week and I only spend 1k a week on cocaine and meth, whats the big deal? I can sustain this forever....

take that team and remove Rose after 3 games and have Dozier tear a PCL halfway through the season...then it's similar.

What are you talking about and how does that have anything to do with the bolded quote?

so you can't read? how sad...

I can read just fine but what you said makes NO SENSE in response to what I said. Sorry that goes over your head, but I am sure you are used to it.

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(02-06-2020 06:51 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I think our guys play really hard on defense and overall they are a solid defense, but not as good as the numbers say they are. We have had a lot of games against teams who were shooting as bad as we were, it is contagious. Both teams would miss wide open 3s. We leave open shooters all the time, even last night we were constantly running back to the shooter. Gonna have to quit leaving the shooters alone to run in to the post for help defense. Let the big guy do the help defense, you stick to your man and be ready to block him out if the shot misses.

Dandridge, Thomas and Ellis must have been listening to us regarding that. Last night they did a pretty good job, although not every time, of getting out on their man and getting a hand in their face. I rated them a sold C in that regard. Dandridge is the most consistent at it.
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(02-06-2020 06:51 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I think our guys play really hard on defense and overall they are a solid defense, but not as good as the numbers say they are. We have had a lot of games against teams who were shooting as bad as we were, it is contagious. Both teams would miss wide open 3s. We leave open shooters all the time, even last night we were constantly running back to the shooter. Gonna have to quit leaving the shooters alone to run in to the post for help defense. Let the big guy do the help defense, you stick to your man and be ready to block him out if the shot misses.

We have had enough games to establish our defense as a trend though. Yea sometimes people get a wide open shot but this happens to any team. We make up for it in other areas like blocks which is why we rank so high on defense. Too far in the season to just say we are just lucky/they miss shots that have nothing to do with our D
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(02-06-2020 05:32 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 05:26 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  And one of the best defenses in the country. This staff is doing a great job with this young team. Don’t care what anyone says.

Yeah, yeah we get it. Nevermind the terrible defensive issues like none of our players cut to the basket on opponents shots. Nevermind that none of the players defend players with the ball properly (not even a one hand up, one hand down approach). There's a reason why teams tend to shoot lights out against us, our players have not been taught how to defend properly.

Please stop making asinine statements like this. It's so easy to look it up.

Opponents overall shooting %- 34.5%
Opponents 2 pt shooting %- 36.1%
Opponents 3 pt shooting %- 30.0%
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(02-06-2020 06:51 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I think our guys play really hard on defense and overall they are a solid defense, but not as good as the numbers say they are. We have had a lot of games against teams who were shooting as bad as we were, it is contagious. Both teams would miss wide open 3s. We leave open shooters all the time, even last night we were constantly running back to the shooter. Gonna have to quit leaving the shooters alone to run in to the post for help defense. Let the big guy do the help defense, you stick to your man and be ready to block him out if the shot misses.

The defense is as good as the numbers say. I'm so sick of people saying that it isn't.
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(02-07-2020 09:29 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 06:51 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I think our guys play really hard on defense and overall they are a solid defense, but not as good as the numbers say they are. We have had a lot of games against teams who were shooting as bad as we were, it is contagious. Both teams would miss wide open 3s. We leave open shooters all the time, even last night we were constantly running back to the shooter. Gonna have to quit leaving the shooters alone to run in to the post for help defense. Let the big guy do the help defense, you stick to your man and be ready to block him out if the shot misses.

The defense is as good as the numbers say. I'm so sick of people saying that it isn't.

The defense is very good but it needs to be more flexible. Teams that have a capable big and can surround him with capable shooters can expose our defense if we continue to switch. But those are game to game adjustments that can be easily implemented.
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Our defense is great. Our offense is ok. What kills us is turnovers. If we just turned it over a large percentage of the time as opposed to a super ridiculously high amount of the time our offensive numbers would look better. we average 26 fg/game and 17 turnovers/game. When you add in maybe 7 -8 trips to the line per game, you realize that approximately 1/4 of our offensive possessions end in turnovers.

Just keep the turnovers down to 11/game and we'll be ok.
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(02-07-2020 09:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:29 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 06:51 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I think our guys play really hard on defense and overall they are a solid defense, but not as good as the numbers say they are. We have had a lot of games against teams who were shooting as bad as we were, it is contagious. Both teams would miss wide open 3s. We leave open shooters all the time, even last night we were constantly running back to the shooter. Gonna have to quit leaving the shooters alone to run in to the post for help defense. Let the big guy do the help defense, you stick to your man and be ready to block him out if the shot misses.

The defense is as good as the numbers say. I'm so sick of people saying that it isn't.

The defense is very good but it needs to be more flexible. Teams that have a capable big and can surround him with capable shooters can expose our defense if we continue to switch. But those are game to game adjustments that can be easily implemented.

We've been better the last few games about not switching. I don't like the switching but I'm more ok with it as long as it's not Tyler and Alex being switched. As we all know getting two sub 6 ft players switched on a big just spells disaster.
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(02-07-2020 09:41 AM)jgardne Wrote:  Our defense is great. Our offense is ok. What kills us is turnovers. If we just turned it over a large percentage of the time as opposed to a super ridiculously high amount of the time our offensive numbers would look better. we average 26 fg/game and 17 turnovers/game. When you add in maybe 7 -8 trips to the line per game, you realize that approximately 1/4 of our offensive possessions end in turnovers.

Just keep the turnovers down to 11/game and we'll be ok.

Right now I'll be happy with 15/game
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(02-07-2020 12:10 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 09:29 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-06-2020 06:51 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I think our guys play really hard on defense and overall they are a solid defense, but not as good as the numbers say they are. We have had a lot of games against teams who were shooting as bad as we were, it is contagious. Both teams would miss wide open 3s. We leave open shooters all the time, even last night we were constantly running back to the shooter. Gonna have to quit leaving the shooters alone to run in to the post for help defense. Let the big guy do the help defense, you stick to your man and be ready to block him out if the shot misses.

The defense is as good as the numbers say. I'm so sick of people saying that it isn't.

The defense is very good but it needs to be more flexible. Teams that have a capable big and can surround him with capable shooters can expose our defense if we continue to switch. But those are game to game adjustments that can be easily implemented.

We've been better the last few games about not switching. I don't like the switching but I'm more ok with it as long as it's not Tyler and Alex being switched. As we all know getting two sub 6 ft players switched on a big just spells disaster.

Temple took advantage of the switch a bunch of times with the chubby kid that got the technical. They would get him on a guard and he would continue to back down until help came and he would find a shooter. Against a more capable team that could be deadly.
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