(02-05-2020 03:17 PM)DMSMITHSR Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 02:19 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 02:12 PM)mpleafan Wrote:  Seems we are done?

https://emueagles.com/news/2020/2/5/emu-...class.aspx

Reads that say 4 are scholarship players.

The text distinguishes between scholarship and walk-on recruits.

I wonder if we ran out of scholarships. Looks like most of the guys were walk-ons. Mikah Coleman LB looks like he could be decent player. Not sure with all these glaring needs at Linebacker why we signed a Long Snapper and Punter. I am sure the coaches must have some young players they feel comfortable going into 2020 with.

I think another poster indicated that some 'over sized' DBs could become LBs.

As far as DT, esp. (previous poster) We have a lot of young and returning talent there so I wouldn't worry. Remember, we return two nominal starters in Eddington and Holford who missed most of the 2019 season injured.

I think both lines will be strong, both in terms of experience, talent and depth.

(02-05-2020 06:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 03:17 PM)DMSMITHSR Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 02:19 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 02:12 PM)mpleafan Wrote:  Seems we are done?

https://emueagles.com/news/2020/2/5/emu-...class.aspx

Reads that say 4 are scholarship players.

The text distinguishes between scholarship and walk-on recruits.

I wonder if we ran out of scholarships. Looks like most of the guys were walk-ons. Mikah Coleman LB looks like he could be decent player. Not sure with all these glaring needs at Linebacker why we signed a Long Snapper and Punter. I am sure the coaches must have some young players they feel comfortable going into 2020 with.

I think another poster indicated that some 'over sized' DBs could become LBs.

As far as DT, esp. (previous poster) We have a lot of young and returning talent there so I wouldn't worry. Remember, we return two nominal starters in Eddington and Holford who missed most of the 2019 season injured.

I think both lines will be strong, both in terms of experience, talent and depth.

I didn't realize Eddington and Holford were coming back! That'll help! But, who will be the starting LB, CB, and safeties? Best edge rusher? A O'connor, or Crosby type of player? Davies-Balogun on film had that type of speed! A difference maker! I just don't see that........

One last thought:

It is still possible that we could sign say one more. This signing period is long. Typically EMU SI puts out the signing stuff on 'signing day' but things need not be done.

Not uncommon for recruits to sign after the first day.

We can still sign say a grad transfer in spring / summer or another recruit could sign either within or outside the signing period (if he signs outside the signing period he can back out later without penalty).

Unlike Wilson, Bulley, etc. Davies-Balogun has not announced his signing.

Some how I missed this article on Bulley who had visited EMU but chose a HBCU, Morgan State, yesterday.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...639959002/

(02-05-2020 04:36 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  But once they see our scoreboard we won't be able to keep them away.

That is TRUE!!!

According to Alex Alarado, this was our best recruiting class.

https://twitter.com/ARAlvarado13/status/...31744?s=20

And EMU is trumpeting our FB success, on and off the gridiron, facilities, etc.

Great time to be an EMU FB fan!!

https://twitter.com/EMUFB/status/1225456...56/photo/1

247 Has us 7th in Conference and 114 nationally

One could say 2018 was our best class
110 nationally 6 in Conference
Per 247

(02-06-2020 12:09 PM)emu79 Wrote:  One could say 2018 was our best class
110 nationally 6 in Conference
Per 247

I was just about to post that!

It's concerning when A coach is in his 7th season, and 7 recruiting classes, and we can't crack the top half of MAC recruiting! I keep saying this, and everyone wants to disagree, but recruiting wins MAC titles, and this is our best class ever, and #7 out of 12 schools, just won't cut it! I hope I'm wrong, and I like CC a lot, but I'm afraid he has hit his ceiling as a coach, and A recruiter! Pay attention to BGSU, and Kent St over the next few years, and see if they compete for MAC championships, just look at their recruiting! Both, got new coaches 2 years ago! 2016-7-6, 2017-5-7, 2018-7-6, and 2019-6-7.……..I think the world of CC, but these results tell you everything! CC results wise is similar to Murphy folks...…..
I HOPE I'M WRONG, I LOVE MY ALMA MATER, and want to win A MAC championship, last time was 1987!

I take recruiting rankings with a big grain of salt
How are they performing on the field and off?

(02-06-2020 12:32 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I take recruiting rankings with a big grain of salt
How are they performing on the field and off?

I agree with that, but look at our record the past 2 seasons! Last year 3-5 in the MAC, and the MAC was way down...….We didn't address our defensive issues either! We've ZERO true pass rushers, and our LB will be who? Lost Hoying and Calhoun, I looked at our commits, and we didn't fill those gaps with similar talent, on a complete flip side our offense will be the best we've ever had, and we've great recruits there! Parks and Smith look magnificent on film! Neathery looked magnificent with O'Connor, Crosby, Rachwal, Spears, Hoying, and Calhoun! But, how did he look last year!!!!!! Enough said, and those 6 players mentioned, we don't have one next season! That's on CC...….

I don't totally agree with that. I think its more important to get recruits that fit your system than arbitrary rankings. For example, the best years Dantonio had a Michigan State did not correlate to their best recruiting classes. The better recruiting classes came AFTER they had the success and didn't really live up to the hype. The 2 star guys like Shilique Calhoun and Darqueze Dennards who fit were developed in the system and in the weight room.

We are likely never going to be the #1 recruiting class in the MAC. Certainly not until we have more on field success (and now just making a bowl game, but a run of double digit win totals) and play in some championship games. I think we were too far down for too long to jump into the top of the class, no matter who the coach is, until we achieve more success.

(02-06-2020 12:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  It's concerning when A coach is in his 7th season, and 7 recruiting classes, and we can't crack the top half of MAC recruiting! I keep saying this, and everyone wants to disagree, but recruiting wins MAC titles, and this is our best class ever, and #7 out of 12 schools, just won't cut it! I hope I'm wrong, and I like CC a lot, but I'm afraid he has hit his ceiling as a coach, and A recruiter! Pay attention to BGSU, and Kent St over the next few years, and see if they compete for MAC championships, just look at their recruiting! Both, got new coaches 2 years ago! 2016-7-6, 2017-5-7, 2018-7-6, and 2019-6-7.……..I think the world of CC, but these results tell you everything! CC results wise is similar to Murphy folks...…..
I HOPE I'M WRONG, I LOVE MY ALMA MATER, and want to win A MAC championship, last time was 1987!

I do NOT understand your logic at all and your data analysis.

First, ASSUMING that recruiting data is both valid and reliable, we need to look at what it says:

I suggest you look CAREFULLY at the data and see the 'big picture':

There is are say one or two teams (TOL and WMU) are better than the rest. TOL had a very good recruiting year and WMU was good.
I'm using the average rating per recruit as my main metric.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...erence=MAC

Then the other 10 are fairly tightly bunched. EMU is in the middle of the bunch.

Second, some schools get more (or less) 'points' based on their number of recruits;
some classes are big, some medium (typical) and some small.

BG has a very big class. UB and Ohio small. Ours is typical.

Quite frankly, other than TOLEDO!! and perhaps WMU, the results are not particularly conclusive.

I don't see anything great about BG or KSU's classes.

I think CC and staff excel at scouting and developing
And one season is not a valid measuring stick

(02-06-2020 01:39 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I think CC and staff excel at scouting and developing
And one season is not a valid measuring stick

I think we are playing 'catch up' because our facilities lagged for so long.

We played 'catch up' with the IPF and now the SAPC.

Now that our facilities are much better and the on-field has been better the recruiting is getting better.

The future is bright.

(02-06-2020 01:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 12:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  It's concerning when A coach is in his 7th season, and 7 recruiting classes, and we can't crack the top half of MAC recruiting! I keep saying this, and everyone wants to disagree, but recruiting wins MAC titles, and this is our best class ever, and #7 out of 12 schools, just won't cut it! I hope I'm wrong, and I like CC a lot, but I'm afraid he has hit his ceiling as a coach, and A recruiter! Pay attention to BGSU, and Kent St over the next few years, and see if they compete for MAC championships, just look at their recruiting! Both, got new coaches 2 years ago! 2016-7-6, 2017-5-7, 2018-7-6, and 2019-6-7.……..I think the world of CC, but these results tell you everything! CC results wise is similar to Murphy folks...…..
I HOPE I'M WRONG, I LOVE MY ALMA MATER, and want to win A MAC championship, last time was 1987!

I do NOT understand your logic at all and your data analysis.

First, ASSUMING that recruiting data is both valid and reliable, we need to look at what it says:

I suggest you look CAREFULLY at the data and see the 'big picture':

There is are say one or two teams (TOL and WMU) are better than the rest. TOL had a very good recruiting year and WMU was good.
I'm using the average rating per recruit as my main metric.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...erence=MAC

Then the other 10 are fairly tightly bunched. EMU is in the middle of the bunch.

Second, some schools get more (or less) 'points' based on their number of recruits;
some classes are big, some medium (typical) and some small.

BG has a very big class. UB and Ohio small. Ours is typical.

Quite frankly, other than TOLEDO!! and perhaps WMU, the results are not particularly conclusive.

I don't see anything great about BG or KSU's classes.

We're 25-26 the past 4 seasons, and recruiting doesn't corelate to results! W Mich, PJ Fleck, Toledo, Campbell, Miami Ohio, Martin, etc.....and Creighton, E Mich......they were always in the top 4! Martin's last 3 recruiting classes...…..I played football, and trust me talent wins, followed by coaching, you can't teach talent......

(02-06-2020 01:48 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 12:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  It's concerning when A coach is in his 7th season, and 7 recruiting classes, and we can't crack the top half of MAC recruiting! I keep saying this, and everyone wants to disagree, but recruiting wins MAC titles, and this is our best class ever, and #7 out of 12 schools, just won't cut it! I hope I'm wrong, and I like CC a lot, but I'm afraid he has hit his ceiling as a coach, and A recruiter! Pay attention to BGSU, and Kent St over the next few years, and see if they compete for MAC championships, just look at their recruiting! Both, got new coaches 2 years ago! 2016-7-6, 2017-5-7, 2018-7-6, and 2019-6-7.……..I think the world of CC, but these results tell you everything! CC results wise is similar to Murphy folks...…..
I HOPE I'M WRONG, I LOVE MY ALMA MATER, and want to win A MAC championship, last time was 1987!

I do NOT understand your logic at all and your data analysis.

First, ASSUMING that recruiting data is both valid and reliable, we need to look at what it says:

I suggest you look CAREFULLY at the data and see the 'big picture':

There is are say one or two teams (TOL and WMU) are better than the rest. TOL had a very good recruiting year and WMU was good.
I'm using the average rating per recruit as my main metric.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...erence=MAC

Then the other 10 are fairly tightly bunched. EMU is in the middle of the bunch.

Second, some schools get more (or less) 'points' based on their number of recruits;
some classes are big, some medium (typical) and some small.

BG has a very big class. UB and Ohio small. Ours is typical.

Quite frankly, other than TOLEDO!! and perhaps WMU, the results are not particularly conclusive.

I don't see anything great about BG or KSU's classes.

We're 25-26 the past 4 seasons, and recruiting doesn't corelate to results! W Mich, PJ Fleck, Toledo, Campbell, Miami Ohio, Martin, etc.....and Creighton, E Mich......they were always in the top 4! Martin's last 3 recruiting classes...…..I played football, and trust me talent wins, followed by coaching, you can't teach talent......

Okay, let me try again:

Other than TOL and WMU, there isn't much difference between most of the other teams in recruiting the last few years.

I looked at the last 4 or 5 years and the best teams recruiting were TOL and WMU.

I have NO idea what happened to TOL in 2019.

Miami's recruiting was not noteworthy over say a few years (e.g., 2016, 2017).

I disagree with your statement that Miami's recruiting was a predictor of 2019 success on the field.

Guys, I'm about to drop this discussion, but if one wanted to see why we've had some problems, have to look back at our recruiting say 3, 4 or 5 years (those are the players who should be contributing, the nucleus of the team):

1). 2016, our ave. points per recruit was 11th out of 12 MAC teams.

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footba...erence=MAC

2). 2017, our ave. points per recruit was 12th of out 12 MAC teams.

https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Footba...erence=MAC

3). 2018, our ave. points per recruit was 7th out of 12 MAC teams.

https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Footba...erence=MAC

Quite frankly, I think we have out performed our 'recruiting rankings.' As some have suggested, C.C. is doing a great job with the talent he has. Or to use a boxing metaphor, "they are punching above the weight.'

2018 and 2020 are his two best classes according to the rankings.

(02-06-2020 01:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:48 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 12:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  It's concerning when A coach is in his 7th season, and 7 recruiting classes, and we can't crack the top half of MAC recruiting! I keep saying this, and everyone wants to disagree, but recruiting wins MAC titles, and this is our best class ever, and #7 out of 12 schools, just won't cut it! I hope I'm wrong, and I like CC a lot, but I'm afraid he has hit his ceiling as a coach, and A recruiter! Pay attention to BGSU, and Kent St over the next few years, and see if they compete for MAC championships, just look at their recruiting! Both, got new coaches 2 years ago! 2016-7-6, 2017-5-7, 2018-7-6, and 2019-6-7.……..I think the world of CC, but these results tell you everything! CC results wise is similar to Murphy folks...…..
I HOPE I'M WRONG, I LOVE MY ALMA MATER, and want to win A MAC championship, last time was 1987!

I do NOT understand your logic at all and your data analysis.

First, ASSUMING that recruiting data is both valid and reliable, we need to look at what it says:

I suggest you look CAREFULLY at the data and see the 'big picture':

There is are say one or two teams (TOL and WMU) are better than the rest. TOL had a very good recruiting year and WMU was good.
I'm using the average rating per recruit as my main metric.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...erence=MAC

Then the other 10 are fairly tightly bunched. EMU is in the middle of the bunch.

Second, some schools get more (or less) 'points' based on their number of recruits;
some classes are big, some medium (typical) and some small.

BG has a very big class. UB and Ohio small. Ours is typical.

Quite frankly, other than TOLEDO!! and perhaps WMU, the results are not particularly conclusive.

I don't see anything great about BG or KSU's classes.

We're 25-26 the past 4 seasons, and recruiting doesn't corelate to results! W Mich, PJ Fleck, Toledo, Campbell, Miami Ohio, Martin, etc.....and Creighton, E Mich......they were always in the top 4! Martin's last 3 recruiting classes...…..I played football, and trust me talent wins, followed by coaching, you can't teach talent......

Okay, let me try again:

Other than TOL and WMU, there isn't much difference between most of the other teams in recruiting the last few years.

I looked at the last 4 or 5 years and the best teams recruiting were TOL and WMU.

I have NO idea what happened to TOL in 2019.

Miami's recruiting was not noteworthy over say a few years (e.g., 2016, 2017).

I disagree with your statement that Miami's recruiting was a predictor of 2019 success on the field.

Look at Miami Ohio's the past few seasons! Top 3 or 4 each year, equals MAC championships, and they're extremely young! Started a true freshman QB! We're not in the same class unfortunately! Where did Miami Ohio finish in 2020? 3rd or 4th? MAJORITY 4 year players, not many JUCO'S, and that's an enormous difference! 4 years vs 2 years! I'm not here to argue, or disagree, I want us to win A MAC championship, as bad as anyone, Next year will tell us a lot! If we go 5-7, or 4-8, and 3-5 in the MAC then I'm correct if we go 9-3, or 8-4, and 6-2 in the MAC then I'm hopefully incorrect!

(02-06-2020 02:12 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:48 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:39 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 12:22 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  It's concerning when A coach is in his 7th season, and 7 recruiting classes, and we can't crack the top half of MAC recruiting! I keep saying this, and everyone wants to disagree, but recruiting wins MAC titles, and this is our best class ever, and #7 out of 12 schools, just won't cut it! I hope I'm wrong, and I like CC a lot, but I'm afraid he has hit his ceiling as a coach, and A recruiter! Pay attention to BGSU, and Kent St over the next few years, and see if they compete for MAC championships, just look at their recruiting! Both, got new coaches 2 years ago! 2016-7-6, 2017-5-7, 2018-7-6, and 2019-6-7.……..I think the world of CC, but these results tell you everything! CC results wise is similar to Murphy folks...…..
I HOPE I'M WRONG, I LOVE MY ALMA MATER, and want to win A MAC championship, last time was 1987!

I do NOT understand your logic at all and your data analysis.

First, ASSUMING that recruiting data is both valid and reliable, we need to look at what it says:

I suggest you look CAREFULLY at the data and see the 'big picture':

There is are say one or two teams (TOL and WMU) are better than the rest. TOL had a very good recruiting year and WMU was good.
I'm using the average rating per recruit as my main metric.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...erence=MAC

Then the other 10 are fairly tightly bunched. EMU is in the middle of the bunch.

Second, some schools get more (or less) 'points' based on their number of recruits;
some classes are big, some medium (typical) and some small.

BG has a very big class. UB and Ohio small. Ours is typical.

Quite frankly, other than TOLEDO!! and perhaps WMU, the results are not particularly conclusive.

I don't see anything great about BG or KSU's classes.

We're 25-26 the past 4 seasons, and recruiting doesn't corelate to results! W Mich, PJ Fleck, Toledo, Campbell, Miami Ohio, Martin, etc.....and Creighton, E Mich......they were always in the top 4! Martin's last 3 recruiting classes...…..I played football, and trust me talent wins, followed by coaching, you can't teach talent......

Okay, let me try again:

Other than TOL and WMU, there isn't much difference between most of the other teams in recruiting the last few years.

I looked at the last 4 or 5 years and the best teams recruiting were TOL and WMU.

I have NO idea what happened to TOL in 2019.

Miami's recruiting was not noteworthy over say a few years (e.g., 2016, 2017).

I disagree with your statement that Miami's recruiting was a predictor of 2019 success on the field.

Look at Miami Ohio's the past few seasons! Top 3 or 4 each year, equals MAC championships, and they're extremely young! Started a true freshman QB! We're not in the same class unfortunately! Where did Miami Ohio finish in 2020? 3rd or 4th? MAJORITY 4 year players, not many JUCO'S, and that's an enormous difference! 4 years vs 2 years! I'm not here to argue, or disagree, I want us to win A MAC championship, as bad as anyone, Next year will tell us a lot! If we go 5-7, or 4-8, and 3-5 in the MAC then I'm correct if we go 9-3, or 8-4, and 6-2 in the MAC then I'm hopefully incorrect!

Actually, I think we do agree! Miami has recruited CONSISTENTLY well over a number of years and it is paying off on the field.

Getting back to EMU, C.C. has recruited well the last two (of three) years and it should be no surprise.

We have more wins, bowl games, and the new SAPC.

Miami should be a winning program. They have a good football legacy, very good facilities, a good coach, etc. All of which implies they should recruit well and they do.

I'm the first to appreciate excellent recruiting. I followed P.J.'s recruiting at Western and how he recruited virtually like a B1G team and the wins started coming big time.