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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-02-2020 09:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-02-2020 08:05 PM)46566 Wrote:  I mentioned it in another thread I think but I think that there are only 6 spots left in the P5. 4 is the Big 12 and 2 in the PAC 12. I think that the P5 model works best for 14 schools per conference. I think that the bulk of the schools moving are going to be from the MWC or the AAC. With the AAC losing some of the Western schools it may be better to reform as a North and South conference.(assuming the remaining schools in the west not taken by the Big 12 could to the MWC.

The AAC could lose 4 Western schools or 3 plus Cincinnati to the Big 12. Should that happen maybe build around USF and UCF as the southern division? Maybe Georgia southern and state? Coastal Carolina?In the North maybe bring in Umass or App state for all sports? Icon football only and another all sports but football add? If they want a oversaturation of the Florida market FAU and International (not a good add but teams may want to recruit Florida)

Should ND want to fully join the ACC, it might be 5 instead of 6. ACC might try to shuffle off UL to Big 12. Gives them more flexibility in scheduling and gives Big 12 a "P" team to expand with.

I actually don't see ND becoming a full conference member for any conference. I think that quasi ACC member by playing 5 games with them a year. They have the benefit of a conference schedule without a conference. The only time Notre Dame joins a conference is if there just shut out of conference affiliated bowl games. I think they share the ACC bowl access now and shared the Big East bowl games before. In the new bowl system could it be possible for Notre Dame to go to the Big East for All sports and get a NY6 tie in? ND would lose the 6 ACC games but could still pick up games vs P5 opponents. Like restarting the Stanford series.
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(02-03-2020 12:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-02-2020 11:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-02-2020 04:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(02-02-2020 12:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-01-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  2 huge rules of conference realignment:

(1) Sh*t ALWAYS rolls downhill in conference realignment.

(2) Think like a university president, NOT like a fan.

First, the old Big East thought exactly the way that you did - that if the Pac-16 happened, then they could take the Big 12 leftovers and become stronger.

The old Big East quickly found out that if you’re behind another conference today, you CANNOT leapfrog then. Ultimately, the old Big East was crushed and eventually kicked out of the power structure altogether. Similarly, C-USA thought that they could poach the remnants of the old Big East... and then C-USA got crushed. We can go down the line where the WAC has similar delusions of grandeur of poaching a weakened MWC... and the WAC up getting destroyed entirely. Rest assured, even if the Big 12 collapsed, left behind schools like Iowa State would still have the massive upper hand to poach the AAC and other leagues because they’ll have all of the exit fees, old conference distributions from the NCAA Tournament and bowl games, existing TV contracts and other assets that would dwarf the G5. Sh*t ALWAYS runs downhill in conference realignment.

Second, university presidents make the decisions about who they let into the power structure. On-the-field/court results by themselves aren’t enough: they want the right *institutions* (NOT teams). I’ve said this before, but for all of the changes in conference realignment over the past 20 years, there were 63 “power” schools when the BCS started in 1996... and there is now a grand total of 65 power schools today. After all of that shuffling, the net change was that TCU (who was in the power system in the pre-BCS world), Utah and Louisville got elevated and Temple got downgraded. That’s it: a net change of plus 2. The point is that the system will NOT elevate an entire other conference to the power ranks. That’s simply not happening because we have seen that there is remarkable stasis with the membership of who is a power school and who isn’t.

Power *institutions* are largely flagship schools, other major public schools with flagship-like qualities (such as Texas A&M, UCLA, Michigan State, Purdue, etc.) and some top tier privates with key attributes (such as top academics and/or locations in major markets). There are zero directional public schools in the Power Five and thowe only true “city” public school in the power ranks is Louisville. (A school like Pitt is essentially a flagship-like research institution that happens to be in a city.) It might sound crazy to sports fans, but the two schools in the AAC that actually look the most like P5 *institutions* (which are different than teams) are Tulane and SMU. Otherwise, the core of the AAC is made up of city and directional public schools. We might see a couple of those schools get invites to the Big 12 eventually (e.g. I could see Cincinnati plus Texas politics getting Houston into the Big 12 someday), but there’s no way that the entire league gets elevated. University presidents are possibly the single most elitist and snobby group of people in all of America.

In the early 60's Vanderbilt spearheaded an attempt to form what came to be known as the Magnolia League. It included Duke, Vanderbilt, SMU, Tulane and Rice. Duke didn't want to give up the Carolina rivalry and SMU and Rice didn't want to give up Cotton Bowl. The impetus for that type of league still exists, and as the money grows, the schools that are of the "Magnolia" mindset may still be looking to cluster together.

For consideration:

New Magnolia:

Boston College, Syracuse, UVa, Duke, Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech and Miami

Notre Dame, Northwestern, Pitt, Vanderbilt, Tulane, SMU, Baylor, and TCU.



That leaves 51 schools to be divided into three conferences (16, 16, 15 ?)

When the ACC announced their intentions to study expansion in 1990, Dean Smith voiced his choice to be Vanderbilt. Of course, Eddie Fogler was the coach there at the time. 04-wine

Yet another example of why the ACC needs to rid itself of any Chapel Hill influence in the future. The big nose bastard would have had us even further behind than we already are, if not out of the game completely.
You are taking the wrong approach. If Esayem wants Vanderbilt and XLance pines for South Carolina's return then you should just get them to petition Swofford to permit Clemson and Florida State to leave for the SEC in an even swap. That way the baby blue mafia gets their dream and loses their chief detractors. It's what we call a win win. The ACC gains Tennessee's footprint without losing Florida's and they keep a South Carolina school. Voila better for everyone!

Louisville for South Carolina would be an even swap. I would imagine we would consider Clemson for South Carolina and Vanderbilt, plus we would cede West Virginia.
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(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Louisville for South Carolina would be an even swap.

03-lmfao

South Carolina is a state flagship, it is way above Louisville, the SEC would never do that in a million years.
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(02-03-2020 02:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Louisville for South Carolina would be an even swap.

03-lmfao

South Carolina is a state flagship, it is way above Louisville, the SEC would never do that in a million years.

JR says that Total Gross Revenue is the best comparison...........

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

17 South Carolina $140,084,150 $134,863,557 $0 0.00
18 Iowa $137,093,027 $130,117,820 $650,000 0.47
19 Louisville $134,155,908 $132,708,762 $7,327,834 5.46
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-03-2020 02:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Louisville for South Carolina would be an even swap.

03-lmfao

South Carolina is a state flagship, it is way above Louisville, the SEC would never do that in a million years.

JR says that Total Gross Revenue is the best comparison...........

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

17 South Carolina $140,084,150 $134,863,557 $0 0.00
18 Iowa $137,093,027 $130,117,820 $650,000 0.47
19 Louisville $134,155,908 $132,708,762 $7,327,834 5.46

But the SEC owns Kentucky already. So Louisville's stats are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You bought them. You own them. And the Big 10 got Maryland in the exchange. You should be happy with such a Yummy deal!
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-03-2020 02:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Louisville for South Carolina would be an even swap.

03-lmfao

South Carolina is a state flagship, it is way above Louisville, the SEC would never do that in a million years.

JR says that Total Gross Revenue is the best comparison...........

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

17 South Carolina $140,084,150 $134,863,557 $0 0.00
18 Iowa $137,093,027 $130,117,820 $650,000 0.47
19 Louisville $134,155,908 $132,708,762 $7,327,834 5.46

But the SEC owns Kentucky already. So Louisville's stats are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You bought them. You own them. And the Big 10 got Maryland in the exchange. You should be happy with such a Yummy deal!


So, are you saying that West Virginia doesn't make your heart race?
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(02-03-2020 02:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Louisville for South Carolina would be an even swap.

03-lmfao

South Carolina is a state flagship, it is way above Louisville, the SEC would never do that in a million years.

JR says that Total Gross Revenue is the best comparison...........

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

17 South Carolina $140,084,150 $134,863,557 $0 0.00
18 Iowa $137,093,027 $130,117,820 $650,000 0.47
19 Louisville $134,155,908 $132,708,762 $7,327,834 5.46

Not to me. Louisville is IMO a mercenary university, they are ruthlessly dedicated to having good football and basketball teams, standards and morals be damned. God bless, them, but IMO UofL is unsavory and If I were a P5 i wouldn't rub elbows with them unless i was desperate, and the SEC isn't desperate.
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(02-03-2020 03:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Louisville for South Carolina would be an even swap.

03-lmfao

South Carolina is a state flagship, it is way above Louisville, the SEC would never do that in a million years.

JR says that Total Gross Revenue is the best comparison...........

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

17 South Carolina $140,084,150 $134,863,557 $0 0.00
18 Iowa $137,093,027 $130,117,820 $650,000 0.47
19 Louisville $134,155,908 $132,708,762 $7,327,834 5.46

But the SEC owns Kentucky already. So Louisville's stats are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You bought them. You own them. And the Big 10 got Maryland in the exchange. You should be happy with such a Yummy deal!


So, are you saying that West Virginia doesn't make your heart race?

Let's cover what JR says X.

Criteria:
1. Does the school in question exceed the averages of your conference in attendance, Gross Total Revenue, and estimated Worth?

Both South Carolina and Louisville are right at the mean for the SEC in total Revenue, Louisville is below us in attendance and in estimated worth.

Then there is the matter of cultural fit, and whether they add to the bottom line.. Currently there are no ACC schools that add to the bottom line. Does that mean that we wouldn't accept North Carolina? Maybe, but not necessarily if the added market penetration adds enough to elevate your current value, but that is become less and less important. Size of fan base, number of alums, and the % of alumni participation in athletic event attendance are becoming more important. And of course does the network your contract is with find enough value to pay for the move.

2. Who does add enough value to be considered: Texas, Notre Dame, Oklahoma from conferences other than the Big 10. I don't consider there to be mutual interest between the SEC and Notre Dame so the any additions in the future will begin with one or both of Texas and Oklahoma.
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(02-03-2020 01:34 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
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(02-01-2020 01:21 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  If the Big12 does not get picked apart, then they would still be a “Power” conference or whatever the term is in that day. If the best schools are picked off, I think the AAC would be in a better position to pick who they want of the remaining schools that would likely consist of KSU, ISU, TTU, Baylor, TCU, WVU. I think the MWC would be in more danger, than the AAC. Besides ESPN is going to want to protect their property, which could see a pay bump and contract extension during that time.

2 huge rules of conference realignment:

(1) Sh*t ALWAYS rolls downhill in conference realignment.

(2) Think like a university president, NOT like a fan.

First, the old Big East thought exactly the way that you did - that if the Pac-16 happened, then they could take the Big 12 leftovers and become stronger.

The old Big East quickly found out that if you’re behind another conference today, you CANNOT leapfrog then. Ultimately, the old Big East was crushed and eventually kicked out of the power structure altogether. Similarly, C-USA thought that they could poach the remnants of the old Big East... and then C-USA got crushed. We can go down the line where the WAC has similar delusions of grandeur of poaching a weakened MWC... and the WAC up getting destroyed entirely. Rest assured, even if the Big 12 collapsed, left behind schools like Iowa State would still have the massive upper hand to poach the AAC and other leagues because they’ll have all of the exit fees, old conference distributions from the NCAA Tournament and bowl games, existing TV contracts and other assets that would dwarf the G5. Sh*t ALWAYS runs downhill in conference realignment.

Second, university presidents make the decisions about who they let into the power structure. On-the-field/court results by themselves aren’t enough: they want the right *institutions* (NOT teams). I’ve said this before, but for all of the changes in conference realignment over the past 20 years, there were 63 “power” schools when the BCS started in 1996... and there is now a grand total of 65 power schools today. After all of that shuffling, the net change was that TCU (who was in the power system in the pre-BCS world), Utah and Louisville got elevated and Temple got downgraded. That’s it: a net change of plus 2. The point is that the system will NOT elevate an entire other conference to the power ranks. That’s simply not happening because we have seen that there is remarkable stasis with the membership of who is a power school and who isn’t.

Power *institutions* are largely flagship schools, other major public schools with flagship-like qualities (such as Texas A&M, UCLA, Michigan State, Purdue, etc.) and some top tier privates with key attributes (such as top academics and/or locations in major markets). There are zero directional public schools in the Power Five and the only true “city” public school in the power ranks is Louisville. (A school like Pitt is essentially a flagship-like research institution that happens to be in a city.) It might sound crazy to sports fans, but the two schools in the AAC that actually look the most like P5 *institutions* (which are different than teams) are Tulane and SMU. Otherwise, the core of the AAC is made up of city and directional public schools. We might see a couple of those schools get invites to the Big 12 eventually (e.g. I could see Cincinnati plus Texas politics getting Houston into the Big 12 someday), but there’s no way that the entire league gets elevated. University presidents are possibly the single most elitist and snobby group of people in all of America.

SMU and Tulane were once in power conferences.

You are right that nearly every P5 public is a flagship. There are only 5 P5 publics that aren't the "flagship" like Michigan or the land grant like Michigan St. Pitt and Louisville as you mention, Arizona St., Florida St. and Texas Tech. Texas Tech is in a huge state and is almost a "flagship" for West Texas. FSU, Arizona St. and Pitt are big research institutions in a state where the flagship and land grant are the same school. Plus Louisville is also the #2 school and quite large.

You forgot the Georgia Institute of Technology, because the University of Georgia is both the flagship and the land grant institution for the state of Georgia, as well as UCLA, although technically UCLA could be a flagship, Berkeley is the official flagship. Didn't know that about FSU as I had assumed several years that Florida State University was the flagship university for the state of Florida. Same thing with Arizona State University. You learn something new everyday.
FSU got hosed in the early 1900's when the state decided to consolidate the land grant functions in Gainesville while making the then FSC into an all-womens college. If FSU had been co-ed, in all likelihood they would be in the SEC today, since at the time, they were the football power in the state.
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JR, wouldn't FSU add to the bottom line? arguably more successful than UF over the past 35 years, additional penetration into the 3rd/4th? most populous state.
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(02-03-2020 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote:  JR, wouldn't FSU add to the bottom line? arguably more successful than UF over the past 35 years, additional penetration into the 3rd/4th? most populous state.

The added penetration into Florida would be a way for the SEC to get better advertising rates for games in the state of Florida. And when Florida State gets back on their feet they would add to the content value of the SEC. What F.S.U. doesn't do for the SEC is add a new market. So it's hard to say if there is enough value there or not. With UF and FSU the penetration into the Florida college football market would be over 80% whereas the Gators deliver about 45% of it on their own. It would give the SEC full value for one heckuva rivalry game which is highly profitable for the Iron Bowl.

It's a tough call on F.S.U. but I would think having a 2nd in the State of Florida would be important whether it was a slight profit or a wash. But it would require them traveling with a major addition to make it happen.

For instance if they could shake loose to travel with Oklahoma I think that paring would be welcomed in Birmingham. Ditto for Texas. If traveling only on their own, I'm not sure it would be enough, maybe, but definitely not a sure thing.
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(02-03-2020 09:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote:  JR, wouldn't FSU add to the bottom line? arguably more successful than UF over the past 35 years, additional penetration into the 3rd/4th? most populous state.

The added penetration into Florida would be a way for the SEC to get better advertising rates for games in the state of Florida. And when Florida State gets back on their feet they would add to the content value of the SEC. What F.S.U. doesn't do for the SEC is add a new market. So it's hard to say if there is enough value there or not. With UF and FSU the penetration into the Florida college football market would be over 80% whereas the Gators deliver about 45% of it on their own. It would give the SEC full value for one heckuva rivalry game which is highly profitable for the Iron Bowl.

It's a tough call on F.S.U. but I would think having a 2nd in the State of Florida would be important whether it was a slight profit or a wash. But it would require them traveling with a major addition to make it happen.

For instance if they could shake loose to travel with Oklahoma I think that paring would be welcomed in Birmingham. Ditto for Texas. If traveling only on their own, I'm not sure it would be enough, maybe, but definitely not a sure thing.

it just seems like an extra 35% penetration in FL would be worth it. Slightly below A&M's impact in TX, but above a mizzou, miss st, SC, maybe on par with TN. Auburn is crazy to gauge because they carry, what 40% of bama? But Alabama is the most college football state i've ever seen
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(02-03-2020 09:34 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote:  JR, wouldn't FSU add to the bottom line? arguably more successful than UF over the past 35 years, additional penetration into the 3rd/4th? most populous state.

The added penetration into Florida would be a way for the SEC to get better advertising rates for games in the state of Florida. And when Florida State gets back on their feet they would add to the content value of the SEC. What F.S.U. doesn't do for the SEC is add a new market. So it's hard to say if there is enough value there or not. With UF and FSU the penetration into the Florida college football market would be over 80% whereas the Gators deliver about 45% of it on their own. It would give the SEC full value for one heckuva rivalry game which is highly profitable for the Iron Bowl.

It's a tough call on F.S.U. but I would think having a 2nd in the State of Florida would be important whether it was a slight profit or a wash. But it would require them traveling with a major addition to make it happen.

For instance if they could shake loose to travel with Oklahoma I think that paring would be welcomed in Birmingham. Ditto for Texas. If traveling only on their own, I'm not sure it would be enough, maybe, but definitely not a sure thing.

it just seems like an extra 35% penetration in FL would be worth it. Slightly below A&M's impact in TX, but above a mizzou, miss st, SC, maybe on par with TN. Auburn is crazy to gauge because they carry, what 40% of bama? But Alabama is the most college football state i've ever seen

Therein lies the issue with the new media deal taking the SEC to 65 million per school in media revenue by 2024, and possibly as high as 83 million (depending upon the source of rumors in a yet to have details released contract). At 45 million in per school payouts Florida State might be worth it. At 65 million probably not. And Both Auburn and Tennessee generate a lot more revenue than F.S.U. and also lead them in gate and attendance.

In '92 I wanted F.S.U. in the SEC. In 2010 I did as well. I still think they would give us a tremendous presence in Florida, but I no longer know if the conference would agree with that line of reasoning. When I say that there is currently no ACC program that adds to the SEC's bottom line on their own I am referring to the new revenue projections.
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(02-01-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  for all of the changes in conference realignment over the past 20 years, there were 63 “power” schools when the BCS started in 1996... and there is now a grand total of 65 power schools today. After all of that shuffling, the net change was that TCU (who was in the power system in the pre-BCS world), Utah and Louisville got elevated and Temple got downgraded. That’s it: a net change of plus 2.

The BCS started in 1998, but you make a good point. The evolution of the "power" schools since the formation of the Big East football wing:
  • 1991: 67 schools
  • 1996: 63 schools (SWC dissolved, dropping Houston, Rice, SMU, and TCU out of "power" status)
  • 2004: 64 schools (Big East added Connecticut)
  • 2005: 66 schools (Big East added Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida; dropped Temple)
  • 2011: 67 schools (Pac-10/12 added Utah)
  • 2012: 69 schools (Big 12 added TCU; Big East re-added Temple)
  • 2013: 73 schools (Big East/AAC added Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, and SMU)
  • 2014: 65 schools (AAC no longer AQ/NY6, dropping Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Memphis, SMU, South Florida, and Temple out of "power" status)
It's interesting how Houston, SMU, TCU, and Temple managed to climb back into "power"/AQ conferences after falling from them, albeit only briefly for all but TCU.
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(02-03-2020 09:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:34 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote:  JR, wouldn't FSU add to the bottom line? arguably more successful than UF over the past 35 years, additional penetration into the 3rd/4th? most populous state.

The added penetration into Florida would be a way for the SEC to get better advertising rates for games in the state of Florida. And when Florida State gets back on their feet they would add to the content value of the SEC. What F.S.U. doesn't do for the SEC is add a new market. So it's hard to say if there is enough value there or not. With UF and FSU the penetration into the Florida college football market would be over 80% whereas the Gators deliver about 45% of it on their own. It would give the SEC full value for one heckuva rivalry game which is highly profitable for the Iron Bowl.

It's a tough call on F.S.U. but I would think having a 2nd in the State of Florida would be important whether it was a slight profit or a wash. But it would require them traveling with a major addition to make it happen.

For instance if they could shake loose to travel with Oklahoma I think that paring would be welcomed in Birmingham. Ditto for Texas. If traveling only on their own, I'm not sure it would be enough, maybe, but definitely not a sure thing.

it just seems like an extra 35% penetration in FL would be worth it. Slightly below A&M's impact in TX, but above a mizzou, miss st, SC, maybe on par with TN. Auburn is crazy to gauge because they carry, what 40% of bama? But Alabama is the most college football state i've ever seen

Therein lies the issue with the new media deal taking the SEC to 65 million per school in media revenue by 2024, and possibly as high as 83 million (depending upon the source of rumors in a yet to have details released contract). At 45 million in per school payouts Florida State might be worth it. At 65 million probably not. And Both Auburn and Tennessee generate a lot more revenue than F.S.U. and also lead them in gate and attendance.

In '92 I wanted F.S.U. in the SEC. In 2010 I did as well. I still think they would give us a tremendous presence in Florida, but I no longer know if the conference would agree with that line of reasoning. When I say that there is currently no ACC program that adds to the SEC's bottom line on their own I am referring to the new revenue projections.

but FSU has been a legit program for almost all of my life, and probably more than half of yours, old man 03-wink I think they'd fit in behind AL/AUB/GA/TN/LSU/GA/A&M and above everyone else. If I were the SEC, i'd be more concerned about diluting the chances at a playoff birth or 2nd/3rd ny6 bid than anything else.

with increasing calls for an expanded playoff, it would make sense to me for the P5 football conferences to devolve into 8 rather than to expand
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-03-2020 09:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-01-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  for all of the changes in conference realignment over the past 20 years, there were 63 “power” schools when the BCS started in 1996... and there is now a grand total of 65 power schools today. After all of that shuffling, the net change was that TCU (who was in the power system in the pre-BCS world), Utah and Louisville got elevated and Temple got downgraded. That’s it: a net change of plus 2.

The BCS started in 1998, but you make a good point. The evolution of the "power" schools since the formation of the Big East football wing:
  • 1991: 67 schools
  • 1996: 63 schools (SWC dissolved, dropping Houston, Rice, SMU, and TCU out of "power" status)
  • 2004: 64 schools (Big East added Connecticut)
  • 2005: 66 schools (Big East added Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida; dropped Temple)
  • 2011: 67 schools (Pac-10/12 added Utah)
  • 2012: 69 schools (Big 12 added TCU; Big East re-added Temple)
  • 2013: 73 schools (Big East/AAC added Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, and SMU)
  • 2014: 65 schools (AAC no longer AQ/NY6, dropping Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Memphis, SMU, South Florida, and Temple out of "power" status)
It's interesting how Houston, SMU, TCU, and Temple managed to climb back into "power"/AQ conferences after falling from them, albeit only briefly for all but TCU.

roughly speaking, the 91-96 period was the best ever in CFB. we had New Years Day where every game mattered, throughout the day. NYD was the best day in college sports. Better than the first day of the NCAA tourney. And then we got to argue for years about who was the best team.

Now, it seems, college football fans want to crown an 11 seed UCONN fan as the best in the land, because they won a tourney. Those of you advocating for that setup here have ruined what CFB once was
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Well said VCE. I remember them days. All day long with family trying to figure out NC with upsets, beer, turkey and my Dad
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-03-2020 10:13 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-01-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  for all of the changes in conference realignment over the past 20 years, there were 63 “power” schools when the BCS started in 1996... and there is now a grand total of 65 power schools today. After all of that shuffling, the net change was that TCU (who was in the power system in the pre-BCS world), Utah and Louisville got elevated and Temple got downgraded. That’s it: a net change of plus 2.

The BCS started in 1998, but you make a good point. The evolution of the "power" schools since the formation of the Big East football wing:
  • 1991: 67 schools
  • 1996: 63 schools (SWC dissolved, dropping Houston, Rice, SMU, and TCU out of "power" status)
  • 2004: 64 schools (Big East added Connecticut)
  • 2005: 66 schools (Big East added Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida; dropped Temple)
  • 2011: 67 schools (Pac-10/12 added Utah)
  • 2012: 69 schools (Big 12 added TCU; Big East re-added Temple)
  • 2013: 73 schools (Big East/AAC added Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, and SMU)
  • 2014: 65 schools (AAC no longer AQ/NY6, dropping Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Memphis, SMU, South Florida, and Temple out of "power" status)
It's interesting how Houston, SMU, TCU, and Temple managed to climb back into "power"/AQ conferences after falling from them, albeit only briefly for all but TCU.

roughly speaking, the 91-96 period was the best ever in CFB. we had New Years Day where every game mattered, throughout the day. NYD was the best day in college sports. Better than the first day of the NCAA tourney. And then we got to argue for years about who was the best team.

Now, it seems, college football fans want to crown an 11 seed UCONN fan as the best in the land, because they won a tourney. Those of you advocating for that setup here have ruined what CFB once was

Yeah arguing who the best team is is way better than seeing those teams actually play on the field. The NFL has it ALL wrong. We should be arguing today who would have won between NO and Baltimore.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-03-2020 10:13 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 09:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-01-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  for all of the changes in conference realignment over the past 20 years, there were 63 “power” schools when the BCS started in 1996... and there is now a grand total of 65 power schools today. After all of that shuffling, the net change was that TCU (who was in the power system in the pre-BCS world), Utah and Louisville got elevated and Temple got downgraded. That’s it: a net change of plus 2.

The BCS started in 1998, but you make a good point. The evolution of the "power" schools since the formation of the Big East football wing:
  • 1991: 67 schools
  • 1996: 63 schools (SWC dissolved, dropping Houston, Rice, SMU, and TCU out of "power" status)
  • 2004: 64 schools (Big East added Connecticut)
  • 2005: 66 schools (Big East added Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida; dropped Temple)
  • 2011: 67 schools (Pac-10/12 added Utah)
  • 2012: 69 schools (Big 12 added TCU; Big East re-added Temple)
  • 2013: 73 schools (Big East/AAC added Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, and SMU)
  • 2014: 65 schools (AAC no longer AQ/NY6, dropping Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Memphis, SMU, South Florida, and Temple out of "power" status)
It's interesting how Houston, SMU, TCU, and Temple managed to climb back into "power"/AQ conferences after falling from them, albeit only briefly for all but TCU.

roughly speaking, the 91-96 period was the best ever in CFB. we had New Years Day where every game mattered, throughout the day. NYD was the best day in college sports. Better than the first day of the NCAA tourney. And then we got to argue for years about who was the best team.

Now, it seems, college football fans want to crown an 11 seed UCONN fan as the best in the land, because they won a tourney. Those of you advocating for that setup here have ruined what CFB once was

Yeah, but we didn't know it at the time, and once you have been down that road, it's near impossible to go back.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
I haven’t seen a reason to go beyond four teams. How many teams can actually beat the top four in a gauntlet?

I agree that New Year’s Day isn’t as special as it once was. TV killed the tradition because it demands there be a bowl game before and after the holiday.
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