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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-04-2020 11:19 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
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(02-04-2020 10:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Here, on the realignment boards. Where else? It's also where most of us only ever talk about the AAC.


Please talk about the SWC. My school has a national championship in football- something Rutgers will never have.

I have no dog in the fight, but I don't know if SMU fans can legit trash-talk Rutgers fans. Big Ten >>>>>>> AAC.


Seriously, Rutgers??

Yes the Big 10 is tops but come on Rutgers?

I would say getting into the B1G is a bigger and longer lasting accomplishment than a championship from when the current recruits parents were kids.

The parents? In 1935, the current recruits' great grandparents might have been kids.
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(02-01-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  .... and the only true “city” public school in the power ranks is Louisville. (A school like Pitt is essentially a flagship-like research institution that happens to be in a city.) It might sound crazy to sports fans, but the two schools in the AAC that actually look the most like P5 *institutions* (which are different than teams) are Tulane and SMU. Otherwise, the core of the AAC is made up of city and directional public schools.

The latter point is one reason USF is focusing very strongly on academic-institution building, building our research capability and reputation.

But Louisville is instructive, as they are the counter-example to your point. They didn't look like a "P" institution in 2012 and still don't, but at the time they were promoted they were having exceptional success on the football field and hoops court, and at that moment the ACC happened to need a jolt of football power.

Point is, while I agree with you generally, you never know when a particular P5 conference is going to have a particular situational need, and that might be strictly athletic, so a G5 needs to be prepared in all phases.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-05-2020 08:25 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(02-04-2020 10:58 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-04-2020 10:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Please talk about the SWC. My school has a national championship in football- something Rutgers will never have.

I have no dog in the fight, but I don't know if SMU fans can legit trash-talk Rutgers fans. Big Ten >>>>>>> AAC.


Seriously, Rutgers??

Yes the Big 10 is tops but come on Rutgers?

I would say getting into the B1G is a bigger and longer lasting accomplishment than a championship from when the current recruits parents were kids.

The parents? In 1935, the current recruits' great grandparents might have been kids.

Grandparents if they didn't have kids young.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-04-2020 04:33 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Back to the original question....

I think if the American got Boise State and BYU to buy in, along with either Army or Air Force, they could have a pretty strong conference

ALSO

I think they would have to get the access bid for many years straight, like 7-10 years. If they dominate get access bid, and WIN impressively against their opponents, I think you would see media sentiment start coming around.

They need to add and absorb the best teams from the G5. Right now that's Boise State. If App State started dominating for a stretch, maybe add them. They have to own the G5, be the king of the hill

The Mountain West back in the late 2000s was looking very strong with BYU, Utah, and TCU. They added Boise State way too late though, and before you knew it, realignment rolled over them pretty hard.

It's still hard to see. Even if they add Boise and BYU, one or more teams (say UCF and Houston) win surprise national titles, and they win the access bowl ten straight years it's still hard to see how it happens. More than likely the cream of the crop will just get plucked by the Big 12 and they get a modest TV bump
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
No. The AAC has never had a team ranked higher than 8th in the playoff rankings. (UCF 2018)

The old Big East never got a team in the national title game, but actually came close 3 different times. Louisville 2006, WVU 2007, Cinncinatti 2009.


Even the WAC and MWC early in the 2010s got more consideration for national titles than the AAC does now. TCU almost certainly would have played for the NC after 2010 if Auburn had lost to Alabama. If Auburn had lost to Alabama and Boise State had beaten Nevada, that would have created a dispute between Boise State and TCU for the NC game.

Boise State might have gotten a NC game bid after the 2011 season had they beaten TCU. (Although I'm a little uncertain of that.)


And that was all consideration for a top 2 spot. Nowadays, you don't even hear about AAC teams getting consideration for a top 4 spot.
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(02-03-2020 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote:  JR, wouldn't FSU add to the bottom line? arguably more successful than UF over the past 35 years, additional penetration into the 3rd/4th? most populous state.


FSU is second fiddle in a state where the SEC already has a team.

Plus there might be concern that they'll regress since they're not a blue blood team. FSU's slump is currently brief and might quickly be corrected, but it also could end up turning into essentially a permanent regression to the pre-1980s days. I will say that Miami seems more and more like they've made a permanent regression.
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(02-08-2020 02:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  No. The AAC has never had a team ranked higher than 8th in the playoff rankings. (UCF 2018)

The old Big East never got a team in the national title game, but actually came close 3 different times. Louisville 2006, WVU 2007, Cinncinatti 2009.


Even the WAC and MWC early in the 2010s got more consideration for national titles than the AAC does now. TCU almost certainly would have played for the NC after 2010 if Auburn had lost to Alabama. If Auburn had lost to Alabama and Boise State had beaten Nevada, that would have created a dispute between Boise State and TCU for the NC game.

Boise State might have gotten a NC game bid after the 2011 season had they beaten TCU. (Although I'm a little uncertain of that.)


And that was all consideration for a top 2 spot. Nowadays, you don't even hear about AAC teams getting consideration for a top 4 spot.

UCF is 1 nd 1 against the SEC in the NY6 games, and the only loss to a LSU the NC in 2020. Enjoy your position being in the SEC.

By the way, FSU Bowden f'd up and went to the ACC.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-08-2020 06:58 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 02:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  No. The AAC has never had a team ranked higher than 8th in the playoff rankings. (UCF 2018)

The old Big East never got a team in the national title game, but actually came close 3 different times. Louisville 2006, WVU 2007, Cinncinatti 2009.


Even the WAC and MWC early in the 2010s got more consideration for national titles than the AAC does now. TCU almost certainly would have played for the NC after 2010 if Auburn had lost to Alabama. If Auburn had lost to Alabama and Boise State had beaten Nevada, that would have created a dispute between Boise State and TCU for the NC game.

Boise State might have gotten a NC game bid after the 2011 season had they beaten TCU. (Although I'm a little uncertain of that.)


And that was all consideration for a top 2 spot. Nowadays, you don't even hear about AAC teams getting consideration for a top 4 spot.

UCF is 1 nd 1 against the SEC in the NY6 games, and the only loss to a LSU the NC in 2020. Enjoy your position being in the SEC.

By the way, FSU Bowden f'd up and went to the ACC.

FSU has won 3 NCs as a member of the ACC, besides that, the SEC did not show any real interest in FSU until their membership into the ACC was imminent. No, Bowden or FSU did not “f’d up”. We would have f’d up playing second banana to the Gators in the SEC.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-08-2020 08:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 06:58 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 02:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  No. The AAC has never had a team ranked higher than 8th in the playoff rankings. (UCF 2018)

The old Big East never got a team in the national title game, but actually came close 3 different times. Louisville 2006, WVU 2007, Cinncinatti 2009.


Even the WAC and MWC early in the 2010s got more consideration for national titles than the AAC does now. TCU almost certainly would have played for the NC after 2010 if Auburn had lost to Alabama. If Auburn had lost to Alabama and Boise State had beaten Nevada, that would have created a dispute between Boise State and TCU for the NC game.

Boise State might have gotten a NC game bid after the 2011 season had they beaten TCU. (Although I'm a little uncertain of that.)


And that was all consideration for a top 2 spot. Nowadays, you don't even hear about AAC teams getting consideration for a top 4 spot.

UCF is 1 nd 1 against the SEC in the NY6 games, and the only loss to a LSU the NC in 2020. Enjoy your position being in the SEC.

By the way, FSU Bowden f'd up and went to the ACC.

FSU has won 3 NCs as a member of the ACC, besides that, the SEC did not show any real interest in FSU until their membership into the ACC was imminent. No, Bowden or FSU did not “f’d up”. We would have f’d up playing second banana to the Gators in the SEC.

If Florida St wants in the SEC, a spot will be made. The Seminoles are fine and they are an ACC power and doing great in a terrific basketball conference.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-08-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 08:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 06:58 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 02:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  No. The AAC has never had a team ranked higher than 8th in the playoff rankings. (UCF 2018)

The old Big East never got a team in the national title game, but actually came close 3 different times. Louisville 2006, WVU 2007, Cinncinatti 2009.


Even the WAC and MWC early in the 2010s got more consideration for national titles than the AAC does now. TCU almost certainly would have played for the NC after 2010 if Auburn had lost to Alabama. If Auburn had lost to Alabama and Boise State had beaten Nevada, that would have created a dispute between Boise State and TCU for the NC game.

Boise State might have gotten a NC game bid after the 2011 season had they beaten TCU. (Although I'm a little uncertain of that.)


And that was all consideration for a top 2 spot. Nowadays, you don't even hear about AAC teams getting consideration for a top 4 spot.

UCF is 1 nd 1 against the SEC in the NY6 games, and the only loss to a LSU the NC in 2020. Enjoy your position being in the SEC.

By the way, FSU Bowden f'd up and went to the ACC.

FSU has won 3 NCs as a member of the ACC, besides that, the SEC did not show any real interest in FSU until their membership into the ACC was imminent. No, Bowden or FSU did not “f’d up”. We would have f’d up playing second banana to the Gators in the SEC.

If Florida St wants in the SEC, a spot will be made. The Seminoles are fine and they are an ACC power and doing great in a terrific basketball conference.

Eh, not so sure. The SEC didn't rush to recruit FSU 6-7 years ago when Maryland bolted and the ACC looked shaky and the football schools were grumbling.

The SEC - FSU relationship is complicated, so I wouldn't assume that the SEC would automatically make a spot for a supplicant FSU. Maybe, becuse FSU is undeniably a major brand name, but maybe not, because the SEC has no shortage of those now.
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RE: 10 years from now, do you think the AAC will be recognized as a “Power” conference?
(02-08-2020 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 08:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 06:58 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(02-08-2020 02:32 AM)Poster Wrote:  No. The AAC has never had a team ranked higher than 8th in the playoff rankings. (UCF 2018)

The old Big East never got a team in the national title game, but actually came close 3 different times. Louisville 2006, WVU 2007, Cinncinatti 2009.


Even the WAC and MWC early in the 2010s got more consideration for national titles than the AAC does now. TCU almost certainly would have played for the NC after 2010 if Auburn had lost to Alabama. If Auburn had lost to Alabama and Boise State had beaten Nevada, that would have created a dispute between Boise State and TCU for the NC game.

Boise State might have gotten a NC game bid after the 2011 season had they beaten TCU. (Although I'm a little uncertain of that.)


And that was all consideration for a top 2 spot. Nowadays, you don't even hear about AAC teams getting consideration for a top 4 spot.

UCF is 1 nd 1 against the SEC in the NY6 games, and the only loss to a LSU the NC in 2020. Enjoy your position being in the SEC.

By the way, FSU Bowden f'd up and went to the ACC.

FSU has won 3 NCs as a member of the ACC, besides that, the SEC did not show any real interest in FSU until their membership into the ACC was imminent. No, Bowden or FSU did not “f’d up”. We would have f’d up playing second banana to the Gators in the SEC.

If Florida St wants in the SEC, a spot will be made. The Seminoles are fine and they are an ACC power and doing great in a terrific basketball conference.

Eh, not so sure. The SEC didn't rush to recruit FSU 6-7 years ago when Maryland bolted and the ACC looked shaky and the football schools were grumbling.

The SEC - FSU relationship is complicated, so I wouldn't assume that the SEC would automatically make a spot for a supplicant FSU. Maybe, becuse FSU is undeniably a major brand name, but maybe not, because the SEC has no shortage of those now.

I wanted F.S.U. in the '91 realignment era and again in 2010 although I knew they wouldn't be on the table due to the contract stipulations.

But, for F.S.U. to get into the SEC now it would take a miracle. The ACC would have to suspend their GOR and they would have to time their move as the #2 school with either Oklahoma or Texas because there is nobody in the ACC to leverage a move with that would add to the soon to be in excess of 65 million a year in SEC media revenue.

At that figure there are only 3 schools F.S.U. could move with, Texas, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma in that order. And since the SEC and Notre Dame have no mutual interest in one another that leaves 2 Big 12 schools that might travel with one another and if not Texas will try to leverage Tech and Oklahoma would be the only pairing for Florida State and I doubt the Sooners want to come alone either.

So in short Florida State has been priced out of a spot in the SEC.
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