No chance this happens, kids from Arkansas go to LSU, Mizzou, or Mississippi State for school and thats a lot of money to make sure Arkansas doesn't get a school. Despite the fact that this a very agriculture rich area, there isn't a need for more vets, I know, I have three vets in my immediate family. The schools listed also provide seats specifically open to Arkansas residents who receive instate tuition which would certainly be cheaper than the cost of a first year student at a first year program with millions of debt who need money now. There just isn't a need for the area despite the landscape that says otherwise. This would only saturate the market with students who probably wouldn't have been accepted to the other schools in the area so the university could make money. Not a good idea and won't happen.

(02-05-2020 01:10 PM)PokeyWolf Wrote:  No chance this happens, kids from Arkansas go to LSU, Mizzou, or Mississippi State for school and thats a lot of money to make sure Arkansas doesn't get a school. Despite the fact that this a very agriculture rich area, there isn't a need for more vets, I know, I have three vets in my immediate family. The schools listed also provide seats specifically open to Arkansas residents who receive instate tuition which would certainly be cheaper than the cost of a first year student at a first year program with millions of debt who need money now. There just isn't a need for the area despite the landscape that says otherwise. This would only saturate the market with students who probably wouldn't have been accepted to the other schools in the area so the university could make money. Not a good idea and won't happen.

Not sure what you mean with "that's a lot of money to make sure Arkansas doesn't get a school." I don't think you understand the scenario. These vet schools have specific slots that go to Arkansas students. They don't get in-state tuition at these schools, but rather, the state of Arkansas uses tax payer money, to pay the out of state tuition portion. So there's no money making sure Arkansas doesn't get a school. The state of Arkansas is basically paying other schools to accept and train our Arkansans, because that is a lot cheaper then it would be to to start a Vet school. If we started a Vet school in Jonesboro, they would probably stop these payments to the other schools. No sure how this public/private partnership will work out, but if it ends up being like other private professional schools, tuition could be 15-20k more per year. This would actually make it worse for those who would have gotten in one of the neighboring schools and not had to pay out of state tuition because they will graduate with significantly more debt, but would help out those that wouldn't have gotten into vet school otherwise.

If the leadership at ASU announced their intentions, my money is on it happening. This group has not failed to follow through on anything even if it means going against the local government or competing interests within the State. If you are a betting person, you should bet on the school opening.

(02-05-2020 01:10 PM)PokeyWolf Wrote:  No chance this happens, kids from Arkansas go to LSU, Mizzou, or Mississippi State for school and thats a lot of money to make sure Arkansas doesn't get a school. Despite the fact that this a very agriculture rich area, there isn't a need for more vets, I know, I have three vets in my immediate family. The schools listed also provide seats specifically open to Arkansas residents who receive instate tuition which would certainly be cheaper than the cost of a first year student at a first year program with millions of debt who need money now. There just isn't a need for the area despite the landscape that says otherwise. This would only saturate the market with students who probably wouldn't have been accepted to the other schools in the area so the university could make money. Not a good idea and won't happen.

I don't know you but from your posts on other forums I can see you are one of the biggest Negative Nancy's. I bet you a lot of money that it happens.

Weren't you also the one that said we'd never get the med school on campus and that no students would attend? 4 years later and we're graduating doctors whom have had their entire schooling on ASU campus. All of the classes are full and they turn down lots of students each year. I don't believe anything you say.

(02-05-2020 08:00 PM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 01:10 PM)PokeyWolf Wrote:  No chance this happens, kids from Arkansas go to LSU, Mizzou, or Mississippi State for school and thats a lot of money to make sure Arkansas doesn't get a school. Despite the fact that this a very agriculture rich area, there isn't a need for more vets, I know, I have three vets in my immediate family. The schools listed also provide seats specifically open to Arkansas residents who receive instate tuition which would certainly be cheaper than the cost of a first year student at a first year program with millions of debt who need money now. There just isn't a need for the area despite the landscape that says otherwise. This would only saturate the market with students who probably wouldn't have been accepted to the other schools in the area so the university could make money. Not a good idea and won't happen.

I don't know you but from your posts on other forums I can see you are one of the biggest Negative Nancy's. I bet you a lot of money that it happens.

Weren't you also the one that said we'd never get the med school on campus and that no students would attend? 4 years later and we're graduating doctors whom have had their entire schooling on ASU campus. All of the classes are full and they turn down lots of students each year. I don't believe anything you say.

Yeah, something like this, you don’t announce unless you are fairly certain you can do it.

(01-31-2020 09:01 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 08:36 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I think that’s a great add. I’m surprised more schools haven’t looked at adding a vet school. The existing vet schools are so competitive to get into.

I might be repeating hearsay but from what I understand the "small animal" vet sector is saturated. It's not as lucrative for universities to start them up as say medical or engineering. Lots of "if factors".

With that said from what I can tell Texas St, Ark St, and ULM are the only schools that even have any kind of agricultural programs.

I know that Southern and GSU are likely to never have a vet school. Hell, I am just hoping Southern takes advantage of moving into Savannah by starting a law school.

Based on taking my own pet to the vet, I seriously doubt the market is saturated. I would dare say that a smart, well managed vet clinic may generate more dollars than a general MD practice. NE Arkansas, other than Jonesboro, may not be the best market for vets however.

In Jonesboro, a trip to the doctor will cost you about 16% less than the national average, while a trip to the vet would cost you about 14% more than the national average.

Texas Tech went through hell and back to get their vet school approved, especially with the power that A&M has in the Texas legislature. Basically the biggest selling point for Tech was how under-served West Texas is and vets graduating from A&M are not moving to that part of the state. We would not have that argument on our side.

Plus TXST administration will not do anything unless forced to. We only started offering a civil engineer program after Bill Powers, then the president of UT-Austin, begged us to start a program to take the pressure off of UT to produce more graduates.

As much as I wouldn't mind seeing Troy get a vet school, the chances of that happening are probably next to nil, considering the distance between Troy and Auburn, who already has a vet school. That said, it's weird why Ga Southern won't look into it, considering the distance between Ga Southern and the University of Georgia, as well as the distance between Ga Southern and Auburn, the closest out of state vet school, IMO.

(02-23-2020 11:34 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As much as I wouldn't mind seeing Troy get a vet school, the chances of that happening are probably next to nil, considering the distance between Troy and Auburn, who already has a vet school. That said, it's weird why Ga Southern won't look into it, considering the distance between Ga Southern and the University of Georgia, as well as the distance between Ga Southern and Auburn, the closest out of state vet school, IMO.

Short Answer: Politics.

Arkansas needs a dental school way more than a vet school. I don't understand why UAMS does not have a dental school.

(02-26-2020 11:32 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Arkansas needs a dental school way more than a vet school. I don't understand why UAMS does not have a dental school.

Because $$$$$. It takes a lot of money to start and operate one. The state is able to send 40+ Arkansas students to dental schools in neighboring states for a lot less money. Sure it’d be nice to have one, but the agreement with neighboring dental schools makes it lower on the list to fit into an already tight state budget.

(02-24-2020 09:29 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 11:34 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As much as I wouldn't mind seeing Troy get a vet school, the chances of that happening are probably next to nil, considering the distance between Troy and Auburn, who already has a vet school. That said, it's weird why Ga Southern won't look into it, considering the distance between Ga Southern and the University of Georgia, as well as the distance between Ga Southern and Auburn, the closest out of state vet school, IMO.

Short Answer: Politics.

And costs. Vet schools are very expensive to run, but their graduates don’t make nearly the kind of money many doctors do and there aren’t many loan forgiveness programs out there for them like there are for doctors willing to spend a few years working in under served areas. This means less donations from alums, and most vet schools aren’t cranking out many alums every year anyway.

My ex gf graduated from vet school in may last year. She attended NC state as an in state student. Still graduated with over $200k in student loan debt. That’s a lot for a profession where the average starting salary is quite a bit under $100k.

(02-26-2020 11:32 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Arkansas needs a dental school way more than a vet school. I don't understand why UAMS does not have a dental school.

Unlike vet school where the state pays the difference between in and out of state tuition for a number of Arkansans to go to LSU and Tuskegee, on the dental side we subsidize kids to go the University of Tennessee in Memphis. You can actually remain in Arkansas and commute to class and impossibility for vet school students.

On a one block street that connects a local outdoor mall to the street I use to get home there are four general practice dental clinics, two orthodontists, and just around the corner and three buildings down an endodontic clinic.

Vet school admissions are really competitive, meaning you wouldn't have a hard time at all filling the seats. Politics are the mean reason we can't get one.

Veterinarians have told me the reason there aren't more Vet programs around is the expense. Med schools can take advantage of existing equipment by partnering with hospitals whereas Vet schools must purchase everything.

I'm not sure what kind of explanation that is because the average Vet's practice doesn't appear to have that equipment.

(03-15-2020 08:50 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Veterinarians have told me the reason there aren't more Vet programs around is the expense. Med schools can take advantage of existing equipment by partnering with hospitals whereas Vet schools must purchase everything.

I'm not sure what kind of explanation that is because the average Vet's practice doesn't appear to have that equipment.

But they need to be taught with the equipment, or they may never know how to use it. Some companies can donate or sell equipment at a discount, in hopes the familiarity with their product will lead to graduates purchasing it when they graduate. Hiring faculty & administration is a big cost too. They will be on the highest level of professor salaries (80-100k+ with benefits), and it will be a recurring cost every year.

(02-05-2020 01:10 PM)PokeyWolf Wrote:  No chance this happens, kids from Arkansas go to LSU, Mizzou, or Mississippi State for school and thats a lot of money to make sure Arkansas doesn't get a school. Despite the fact that this a very agriculture rich area, there isn't a need for more vets, I know, I have three vets in my immediate family. The schools listed also provide seats specifically open to Arkansas residents who receive instate tuition which would certainly be cheaper than the cost of a first year student at a first year program with millions of debt who need money now. There just isn't a need for the area despite the landscape that says otherwise. This would only saturate the market with students who probably wouldn't have been accepted to the other schools in the area so the university could make money. Not a good idea and won't happen.

When one says "no chance",its like saying "never" which is a big no-no. A vet school form and structure is unsure but if we say a study is underway, there is a fair chance of success. There are basically three opportunties for vets. Small animals,large animal and the corporate vet. Many companies such as Tyson, Purina, Purdue and etc. employ vets for various purposes usually involving product research, customer service/relations and oversight of its own production units. The corporate opportunity is growing along with a booming small animal market need.

(03-17-2020 07:08 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 01:10 PM)PokeyWolf Wrote:  No chance this happens, kids from Arkansas go to LSU, Mizzou, or Mississippi State for school and thats a lot of money to make sure Arkansas doesn't get a school. Despite the fact that this a very agriculture rich area, there isn't a need for more vets, I know, I have three vets in my immediate family. The schools listed also provide seats specifically open to Arkansas residents who receive instate tuition which would certainly be cheaper than the cost of a first year student at a first year program with millions of debt who need money now. There just isn't a need for the area despite the landscape that says otherwise. This would only saturate the market with students who probably wouldn't have been accepted to the other schools in the area so the university could make money. Not a good idea and won't happen.

When one says "no chance",its like saying "never" which is a big no-no. A vet school form and structure is unsure but if we say a study is underway, there is a fair chance of success. There are basically three opportunties for vets. Small animals,large animal and the corporate vet. Many companies such as Tyson, Purina, Purdue and etc. employ vets for various purposes usually involving product research, customer service/relations and oversight of its own production units. The corporate opportunity is growing along with a booming small animal market need.

Negative Nellies came out of the woodwork to tell us that the College of Osteopathic Medicine would never happen and now it has a Waiting List for entry. The Vet School will fare equally well.