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NIU to stop requiring standardized test score for admissions
Just heard a blurb from WGN. Starts 2021.



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Oh no.....
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NIU to stop requiring standardized test score for admissions
This is happening nationwide and it's nothing new...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/education/...ized-tests

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GOOD!
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(01-30-2020 09:54 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  This is happening nationwide and it's nothing new...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/education/...ized-tests

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Yeah, they simply aren't very predictive and carry way too much weight.
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This is great. A ridiculous thing about HS was how much emphasis was put on SAT/ACT scores and how they'll ~ follow everyone the rest of their lives ~. Setting someone's worth on a very narrow skillset in testing (98% of which you'll never see again) is ludicrous. People skills are way more important. Carving a niche for your career is more important.

And the stories under the reading section were so dreadfully boring, who cares how well someone comprehended it?
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Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.
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(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

I concur.
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(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

Just because something isn't easy to do doesn't mean you should stick to ineffective ways to make judgments on ability or potential.
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(01-30-2020 12:37 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

I concur.

Third. Just more the same garbage that has pretty much already destroyed Higher Education.
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Just like win and losses shouldn't determine a coach's success. EXACTLY.
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(01-30-2020 12:46 PM)El Duderino Wrote:  Just like win and losses shouldn't determine a coach's success. EXACTLY.

In this analogy, wins and losses would be the same thing as a students grades in high school.
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(01-30-2020 12:42 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:37 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

I concur.

Third. Just more the same garbage that has pretty much already destroyed Higher Education.

Fourth. Seems like let’s just accept any one and everyone. I don’t like it
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(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

The A at Thornton might be worth more than the A at Payton. The kid at Thornton might have earned that A while playing sport and raising his/her younger siblings while Mom works multiple jobs. Something a kid at a more "prestigious" doesn't have to contend with. The kid at Thornton may not have the resources the kid at Loyola has to prep for or be taught the test. That matters. It may force Universities to learn more about the students they admit which would potentially allow for admitting more qualified students. Not less.

Yep math is math. But maybe it takes you a minute to correctly finish the same equation that it took me three minutes to finish. However, I still correctly solved the equation. Am I unqualified because I work at a different pace than the ACT requires of me? College doesn't work like that though. I need to stay up all night to write a paper but you don't and we each get an A, it counts exactly the same.

What this likely does is allow more students from minority and poorer communities to be able to attend college. That's positive.
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(01-30-2020 01:00 PM)JB04 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:42 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:37 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

I concur.

Third. Just more the same garbage that has pretty much already destroyed Higher Education.

Fourth. Seems like let’s just accept any one and everyone. I don’t like it

As someone who always took tests well (I can pick the best answer out of four choices) this sort of thing puts more emphasis on actually working hard over the course of high school. However, I'd imagine someone could boost their GPA and cheat the system by taking a few remedial classes here or there.
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(01-30-2020 01:00 PM)JB04 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:42 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:37 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

I concur.

Third. Just more the same garbage that has pretty much already destroyed Higher Education.

Fourth. Seems like let’s just accept any one and everyone. I don’t like it

Fifth. Do they have a better way? I doubt it.
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Most students are currently not prepared to handle college level work. Standardized tests helped with this situation. Now you will have people with A's that are pushed through the system to graduate HS at below 8th grade reading and math levels. This will make things worse not better. Instead of ruing Higher Education, maybe we can address at HS level.
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As Bs and Cs vary by school district. I know, I moved here from Hawaii whose public school system was awful compared to the Blue Ribbon school that Warren Township in Gurnee was.

With that being said, the ACT and SAT are designed to level the playing field and gain an understanding of a students ability to go through a collegiate level curriculum. Annual Retention rates at universities aren't terrific to begin with. So now we let in a bunch of students who may or may not be able to handle collegiate level courses.

And let's say they are from poor families. What happens when they fail out? What happens to those big loans they took out? It's great they got a chance to go to college, but are they prepared to succeed in college? Seems like it's set up to fail so we can collect on enrollment till they drop out.
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I didn't like the optics of this at first. There are though plenty of schools doing the same thing currently, some with great reputations, so we'll see I guess where this trend goes.

You'd assume we'll see a bump in applications from this, hopefully that results in a quicker increase in enrollment without reducing the overall quality of the student body? I hope the administration is smart enough to employ this tactic without reducing the caliber of the average NIU student.

We want more students at NIU of the same or better quality than we are used to. Really hope this is employed to that effect, fingers crossed.
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(01-30-2020 01:18 PM)The Grinch Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:33 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Just tell me how you judge students with different curriculum? Is an A at Walter Payton the same as Thornton? Is the #10 student at Rantoul High = #10 at Whitney Young = #10 at Bloom = #10 at Loyola? Is math the same at all? Chemistry? Are they going to have a formula for curriculum to be reviewed or just grades? Or do we look at rankings, whether you were in band or one of 3 kids on the chess team?

It's a joke to let in whomever they want. Anyone who thought nepatism and connections were bad before this will be worse. Certain schools, program directors, teachers will be able to do even more. And NIUs academic rep is so great, they want to let MORE unqualified kids in. Might as well merge with Kishwaukee.

This to me is a panic to just increase enrollment. And of course, maybe some state and federal money.

The A at Thornton might be worth more than the A at Payton. The kid at Thornton might have earned that A while playing sport and raising his/her younger siblings while Mom works multiple jobs. Something a kid at a more "prestigious" doesn't have to contend with. The kid at Thornton may not have the resources the kid at Loyola has to prep for or be taught the test. That matters. It may force Universities to learn more about the students they admit which would potentially allow for admitting more qualified students. Not less.

Yep math is math. But maybe it takes you a minute to correctly finish the same equation that it took me three minutes to finish. However, I still correctly solved the equation. Am I unqualified because I work at a different pace than the ACT requires of me? College doesn't work like that though. I need to stay up all night to write a paper but you don't and we each get an A, it counts exactly the same.

What this likely does is allow more students from minority and poorer communities to be able to attend college. That's positive.

That's the thing- if you're a kid doing well at an under-resourced school, you're doing it despite larger forces slowing you down. A kid doing well resourced school doing well is doing it with the wind at their back.

The bottom line really is the article Stay Cool linked. The predictive value of the tests is *AT BEST* shaky, if not just plain not there. They do line up with social class status though- but NIU exists to provide access to opportunities.

About the only thing where I think tests have value is when you get someone (like me) who had middling grades and good scores- I was just underperforming for a variety of sadly normal teenage reasons.

Over a 1000 school have dropped test requirements. This isn't some ill-considered thing. The system was broken, it's up to the testing companies to re-design, improve, and show their value.
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