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Do we need a FISA court?
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/01/30/do...isa-court/

I've changed my position. Maybe if I had classified intelligence I could be persuaded to change my opinion back, but right now, I think the FISA court should be abolished. The thing that convinced me was when they appointed someone heavily connected to those spying on the Trump campaign to review the process. (This is an article from the Obama Post about the person
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-...story.html)



"...As Kyle Peterson of the Wall Street Journal recently described on Fox News what he called the “irreparably broken” process, whose genesis was a bill written by Sen. Ted Kennedy, “I mean, you have the government going to this court and saying we would like to surveil this person … there’s not an adversarial process; there’s nobody standing up for his rights in front of the court. The judge signs off on it – no accountability whatsoever.”

It is this dangerously dysfunctional, undemocratically insulated institution that is responsible for the country being put through the two-year agony of the Robert Mueller investigation of what we now know to be baseless suspicions of Russian collusion by Trump operatives.

A court set up to prevent our intelligence and law enforcement agencies from being used for politicized purposes actually facilitated exactly that...."
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RE: Do we need a FISA court?
Folks, I predicted this back at the time that the patRIOT act was under consideration.
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(01-30-2020 09:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Folks, I predicted this back at the time that the patRIOT act was under consideration.

The court itself was established in 1978 according to the article. I had thought it was a 911 phenomena. It was established in response to the CIA abuses that were uncovered in the Church investigations of the mid 70s.

With Watergate, Nixon had outside "plumbers." The FBI did not participate in the event or the coverup. The CIA didn't participate (although there were some CIA ties).
With Cartergate, they all participated.
01-30-2020 09:51 AM
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RE: Do we need a FISA court?
Nope.
01-30-2020 10:31 AM
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RE: Do we need a FISA court?
(01-30-2020 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Folks, I predicted this back at the time that the patRIOT act was under consideration.
The court itself was established in 1978 according to the article. I had thought it was a 911 phenomena. It was established in response to the CIA abuses that were uncovered in the Church investigations of the mid 70s.
With Watergate, Nixon had outside "plumbers." The FBI did not participate in the event or the coverup. The CIA didn't participate (although there were some CIA ties).
With Cartergate, they all participated.

Yes, it has been around since 1978, but I’ve never liked it. IIRC the patRIOT act made some changes, not for the better.

If it is going to stay, one change I would like to see is the addition of an ad litem to represent the interests of the (non-participating, obviously) proposed target. A truly engaged ad listen could have prevented the dossier abuses.
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