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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(01-31-2020 07:18 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
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(01-29-2020 08:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  IMO Penny needs a mentor who can develop him into the fine young HC he will one day become sooner rather than later.

Wasn't the same thing said about Pastner? If you have to hire someone to develop you as a coach you really shouldn't be a head coach.

Pastnerizing Penny is just a step or two away from Finching him. Everybody wanted Penny, knew what he brought, knew his level of experience, should have known it would take time for him to learn to coach like Larry Brown (or even Cal.)

On the other hand, this class was way above what most of us thought he could pull off in recruiting his first year. And he's already showing that he realizes some of his "desires" for an offensive or defensive strategy have to be tweaked to fit reality. I don't know what kind of coach he'll be in the long run, but if I gave Pastner four years, I'm definitely giving Penny more benefit of the doubt than that.

But I respect you, TigerBlue. That's what boards are for. And there are lots of things that have been said on this board that made more sense than what some of our coaches were doing on the floor.

Thanks, I agree with everything you said and in case I didn't make it clear to all, I'm a Penny supporter to the end. Anything critical I say about him is generally just emotion during bad games but I like to think at least some of it is objective, valid and by no means meant to demean him.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(01-31-2020 10:04 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-31-2020 07:18 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:20 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 08:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  IMO Penny needs a mentor who can develop him into the fine young HC he will one day become sooner rather than later.

Wasn't the same thing said about Pastner? If you have to hire someone to develop you as a coach you really shouldn't be a head coach.

Pastnerizing Penny is just a step or two away from Finching him. Everybody wanted Penny, knew what he brought, knew his level of experience, should have known it would take time for him to learn to coach like Larry Brown (or even Cal.)

On the other hand, this class was way above what most of us thought he could pull off in recruiting his first year. And he's already showing that he realizes some of his "desires" for an offensive or defensive strategy have to be tweaked to fit reality. I don't know what kind of coach he'll be in the long run, but if I gave Pastner four years, I'm definitely giving Penny more benefit of the doubt than that.

But I respect you, TigerBlue. That's what boards are for. And there are lots of things that have been said on this board that made more sense than what some of our coaches were doing on the floor.

Thanks, I agree with everything you said and in case I didn't make it clear to all, I'm a Penny supporter to the end. Anything critical I say about him is generally just emotion during bad games but I like to think at least some of it is objective, valid and by no means meant to demean him.

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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
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(01-29-2020 01:22 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Why does people think Penny don't listen to his coaches? He constantly talks about his staff and shouts out the assistant who had the scout. To me his issue is that he has issued a pro exam to college students who are used to being graded on a curve. The guys now are thinking too much instead of playing.

"Basketball instinct" is extremely tough if not impossible to teach. Players either seem to have it or not. All of the greats have it, and of course Penny had the instinct. Most all NBA players do but at a lower level than the greats. However, I think this is where some of the greats struggle with teaching/coaching. They cannot grasp others not having or playing with basketball instinct because it is a gift that comes so naturally to them. So, they start trying to teach instinct and what happens is exactly what you are describing. The players start overthinking because it is not natural for them.

We are running traps and switches on defense that require those instincts with players who simply to do not posses that gift. We are running offensive sets that rely on players making instinctual screens, cuts, drives, passes, etc. but most of players do not possess that ability. You can see the guys that do on our team, Precious, Lester, Boogie (yes, I do believe that - he is just in a serious paralysis by analysis funk), and to a much lesser extent Alo. To Tyler's credit I feel like he has actually developed some this season.

It is no different than music. I have no musical ability inside my body. I can memorize the different keys and even what keys to push to play twinkle twinkle little star but there is no amount of teaching or memorization that would ever allow me to play a piano like Beethoven.

I’m starting to think this a little bit.
It’s like he’s teaching calculus to students that haven’t mastered Algebra II. Or some that have bad study habits and don’t want to put in the work.
This team is partly a complicated problem, partly an inexperienced coach (not a dig, just that I think he’ll mature in 5 years) learning his own team’s capabilities and partly inconsistency to be expected by freshmen and two small guards.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-01-2020 12:19 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 02:47 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 01:22 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Why does people think Penny don't listen to his coaches? He constantly talks about his staff and shouts out the assistant who had the scout. To me his issue is that he has issued a pro exam to college students who are used to being graded on a curve. The guys now are thinking too much instead of playing.

"Basketball instinct" is extremely tough if not impossible to teach. Players either seem to have it or not. All of the greats have it, and of course Penny had the instinct. Most all NBA players do but at a lower level than the greats. However, I think this is where some of the greats struggle with teaching/coaching. They cannot grasp others not having or playing with basketball instinct because it is a gift that comes so naturally to them. So, they start trying to teach instinct and what happens is exactly what you are describing. The players start overthinking because it is not natural for them.

We are running traps and switches on defense that require those instincts with players who simply to do not posses that gift. We are running offensive sets that rely on players making instinctual screens, cuts, drives, passes, etc. but most of players do not possess that ability. You can see the guys that do on our team, Precious, Lester, Boogie (yes, I do believe that - he is just in a serious paralysis by analysis funk), and to a much lesser extent Alo. To Tyler's credit I feel like he has actually developed some this season.

It is no different than music. I have no musical ability inside my body. I can memorize the different keys and even what keys to push to play twinkle twinkle little star but there is no amount of teaching or memorization that would ever allow me to play a piano like Beethoven.

I’m starting to think this a little bit.
It’s like he’s teaching calculus to students that haven’t mastered Algebra II. Or some that have bad study habits and don’t want to put in the work.
This team is partly a complicated problem, partly an inexperienced coach (not a dig, just that I think he’ll mature in 5 years) learning his own team’s capabilities and partly inconsistency to be expected by freshmen and two small guards.

I think the sooner some here accept that, especially that part in bold, the better off they'll be and not resort to calling out those of us making these and similar observations as bad fans or suggesting that we think we could do a better job. I think they're confusing those doing that with some here who are saying he can't coach and this was a bad hire, of whom there are a few. He was a fine AAU and HS coach but he's only 1 1/2 seasons into coaching at this very different level. I have no doubt he'll get it eventually.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-01-2020 12:19 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 02:47 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 01:22 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Why does people think Penny don't listen to his coaches? He constantly talks about his staff and shouts out the assistant who had the scout. To me his issue is that he has issued a pro exam to college students who are used to being graded on a curve. The guys now are thinking too much instead of playing.

"Basketball instinct" is extremely tough if not impossible to teach. Players either seem to have it or not. All of the greats have it, and of course Penny had the instinct. Most all NBA players do but at a lower level than the greats. However, I think this is where some of the greats struggle with teaching/coaching. They cannot grasp others not having or playing with basketball instinct because it is a gift that comes so naturally to them. So, they start trying to teach instinct and what happens is exactly what you are describing. The players start overthinking because it is not natural for them.

We are running traps and switches on defense that require those instincts with players who simply to do not posses that gift. We are running offensive sets that rely on players making instinctual screens, cuts, drives, passes, etc. but most of players do not possess that ability. You can see the guys that do on our team, Precious, Lester, Boogie (yes, I do believe that - he is just in a serious paralysis by analysis funk), and to a much lesser extent Alo. To Tyler's credit I feel like he has actually developed some this season.

It is no different than music. I have no musical ability inside my body. I can memorize the different keys and even what keys to push to play twinkle twinkle little star but there is no amount of teaching or memorization that would ever allow me to play a piano like Beethoven.

I’m starting to think this a little bit.
It’s like he’s teaching calculus to students that haven’t mastered Algebra II. Or some that have bad study habits and don’t want to put in the work.
This team is partly a complicated problem, partly an inexperienced coach (not a dig, just that I think he’ll mature in 5 years) learning his own team’s capabilities and partly inconsistency to be expected by freshmen and two small guards.

Yep some want to place the blame on the kids...

It's not their fault.

Using your example a good teacher would understand that his kids don't have the base knowledge for calculus so he would have them do algebra.

Some say the kids aren't capable or don't have the instincts to play it. That's not it... they just need to be taught.

Same thing goes for skills... we don't have a roster if players who can effectively run the offense Penny is trying to run. That's not the kids fault either... they are who they are and they are playing hard. Coaches get paid millions to put kids in positions to win, coaches have to be flexible especially when they hand picked their roster
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-01-2020 12:19 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 02:47 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 01:22 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Why does people think Penny don't listen to his coaches? He constantly talks about his staff and shouts out the assistant who had the scout. To me his issue is that he has issued a pro exam to college students who are used to being graded on a curve. The guys now are thinking too much instead of playing.

"Basketball instinct" is extremely tough if not impossible to teach. Players either seem to have it or not. All of the greats have it, and of course Penny had the instinct. Most all NBA players do but at a lower level than the greats. However, I think this is where some of the greats struggle with teaching/coaching. They cannot grasp others not having or playing with basketball instinct because it is a gift that comes so naturally to them. So, they start trying to teach instinct and what happens is exactly what you are describing. The players start overthinking because it is not natural for them.

We are running traps and switches on defense that require those instincts with players who simply to do not posses that gift. We are running offensive sets that rely on players making instinctual screens, cuts, drives, passes, etc. but most of players do not possess that ability. You can see the guys that do on our team, Precious, Lester, Boogie (yes, I do believe that - he is just in a serious paralysis by analysis funk), and to a much lesser extent Alo. To Tyler's credit I feel like he has actually developed some this season.

It is no different than music. I have no musical ability inside my body. I can memorize the different keys and even what keys to push to play twinkle twinkle little star but there is no amount of teaching or memorization that would ever allow me to play a piano like Beethoven.

I’m starting to think this a little bit.
It’s like he’s teaching calculus to students that haven’t mastered Algebra II. Or some that have bad study habits and don’t want to put in the work.
This team is partly a complicated problem, partly an inexperienced coach (not a dig, just that I think he’ll mature in 5 years) learning his own team’s capabilities and partly inconsistency to be expected by freshmen and two small guards.

Also agree. There’s no substitute for coaching experience, including Penny. Our play reminds me somewhat of the way we played when we had Pastner and all of our Calipari players were gone - very undisciplined. I have watched Pastner's GT team play a couple of times this year - they appear to play with much more discipline and hang with a lot of pretty good teams but now lack talent. Pastner has actually grown as a coach but his younger years of coaching ineptitude appear to have ruined his reputation on the recruiting trail. Penny has started out as a much better coach than Pastner, IMO - we will have to give him some time to gain experience.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-02-2020 07:25 AM)presskh Wrote:  
(02-01-2020 12:19 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 02:47 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 01:22 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Why does people think Penny don't listen to his coaches? He constantly talks about his staff and shouts out the assistant who had the scout. To me his issue is that he has issued a pro exam to college students who are used to being graded on a curve. The guys now are thinking too much instead of playing.

"Basketball instinct" is extremely tough if not impossible to teach. Players either seem to have it or not. All of the greats have it, and of course Penny had the instinct. Most all NBA players do but at a lower level than the greats. However, I think this is where some of the greats struggle with teaching/coaching. They cannot grasp others not having or playing with basketball instinct because it is a gift that comes so naturally to them. So, they start trying to teach instinct and what happens is exactly what you are describing. The players start overthinking because it is not natural for them.

We are running traps and switches on defense that require those instincts with players who simply to do not posses that gift. We are running offensive sets that rely on players making instinctual screens, cuts, drives, passes, etc. but most of players do not possess that ability. You can see the guys that do on our team, Precious, Lester, Boogie (yes, I do believe that - he is just in a serious paralysis by analysis funk), and to a much lesser extent Alo. To Tyler's credit I feel like he has actually developed some this season.

It is no different than music. I have no musical ability inside my body. I can memorize the different keys and even what keys to push to play twinkle twinkle little star but there is no amount of teaching or memorization that would ever allow me to play a piano like Beethoven.

I’m starting to think this a little bit.
It’s like he’s teaching calculus to students that haven’t mastered Algebra II. Or some that have bad study habits and don’t want to put in the work.
This team is partly a complicated problem, partly an inexperienced coach (not a dig, just that I think he’ll mature in 5 years) learning his own team’s capabilities and partly inconsistency to be expected by freshmen and two small guards.

Also agree. There’s no substitute for coaching experience, including Penny. Our play reminds me somewhat of the way we played when we had Pastner and all of our Calipari players were gone - very undisciplined. I have watched Pastner's GT team play a couple of times this year - they appear to play with much more discipline and hang with a lot of pretty good teams but now lack talent. Pastner has actually grown as a coach but his younger years of coaching ineptitude appear to have ruined his reputation on the recruiting trail. Penny has started out as a much better coach than Pastner, IMO - we will have to give him some time to gain experience.

Penny is learning. He’s very intelligent and knows the game well.
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(01-29-2020 01:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not sure why he just wouldn't hire one of you guys

Get over yourself.

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(01-29-2020 01:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not sure why he just wouldn't hire one of you guys

Get over yourself.

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You guys are the ones full of yourself. Or something.

Just like you we have our own opinions, while you may not agree with them how about acting like a grown up and respect our right to hold and even express them. So far you've added nothing of value to the conversation. If you don't have anything other than snide disrespectful remarks which demean others why not move along to another thread that holds more interest for you? It's easy, kind of like changing the channel on a show you don't wish to watch. Just a suggestion.
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(02-02-2020 09:03 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-02-2020 07:25 AM)presskh Wrote:  
(02-01-2020 12:19 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 02:47 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 01:22 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Why does people think Penny don't listen to his coaches? He constantly talks about his staff and shouts out the assistant who had the scout. To me his issue is that he has issued a pro exam to college students who are used to being graded on a curve. The guys now are thinking too much instead of playing.

"Basketball instinct" is extremely tough if not impossible to teach. Players either seem to have it or not. All of the greats have it, and of course Penny had the instinct. Most all NBA players do but at a lower level than the greats. However, I think this is where some of the greats struggle with teaching/coaching. They cannot grasp others not having or playing with basketball instinct because it is a gift that comes so naturally to them. So, they start trying to teach instinct and what happens is exactly what you are describing. The players start overthinking because it is not natural for them.

We are running traps and switches on defense that require those instincts with players who simply to do not posses that gift. We are running offensive sets that rely on players making instinctual screens, cuts, drives, passes, etc. but most of players do not possess that ability. You can see the guys that do on our team, Precious, Lester, Boogie (yes, I do believe that - he is just in a serious paralysis by analysis funk), and to a much lesser extent Alo. To Tyler's credit I feel like he has actually developed some this season.

It is no different than music. I have no musical ability inside my body. I can memorize the different keys and even what keys to push to play twinkle twinkle little star but there is no amount of teaching or memorization that would ever allow me to play a piano like Beethoven.

I’m starting to think this a little bit.
It’s like he’s teaching calculus to students that haven’t mastered Algebra II. Or some that have bad study habits and don’t want to put in the work.
This team is partly a complicated problem, partly an inexperienced coach (not a dig, just that I think he’ll mature in 5 years) learning his own team’s capabilities and partly inconsistency to be expected by freshmen and two small guards.

Also agree. There’s no substitute for coaching experience, including Penny. Our play reminds me somewhat of the way we played when we had Pastner and all of our Calipari players were gone - very undisciplined. I have watched Pastner's GT team play a couple of times this year - they appear to play with much more discipline and hang with a lot of pretty good teams but now lack talent. Pastner has actually grown as a coach but his younger years of coaching ineptitude appear to have ruined his reputation on the recruiting trail. Penny has started out as a much better coach than Pastner, IMO - we will have to give him some time to gain experience.

Penny is learning. He’s very intelligent and knows the game well.

That's obvious from each and every interview press conference. He impresses each time I listen to him.
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(02-03-2020 10:49 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 10:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:10 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 01:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not sure why he just wouldn't hire one of you guys

Get over yourself.

lol
You guys are the ones full of yourself. Or something.

Just like you we have our own opinions, while you may not agree with them how about acting like a grown up and respect our right to hold and even express them. So far you've added nothing of value to the conversation. If you don't have anything other than snide disrespectful remarks which demean others why not move along to another thread that holds more interest for you? It's easy, kind of like changing the channel on a show you don't wish to watch. Just a suggestion.

You crack me up.

All of this from the guy who started the "When Does Football Season Start" thread.

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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
The slams on Penny, yes even saying he's inexperienced and trying to put it in a nice way are still slams, are hilarious to me.

Look at UNC. They lose their star player and the team completely falls apart. I guess he isn't experienced enough to know how to teach the players?

There are a multitude of things contributing to everything happening with this team and to focus on any one of them discounts the rest. Unless you touch on all the factors, the statement is incomplete at best or more than likely just plain wrong.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(01-31-2020 07:18 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:20 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 08:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  IMO Penny needs a mentor who can develop him into the fine young HC he will one day become sooner rather than later.

Wasn't the same thing said about Pastner? If you have to hire someone to develop you as a coach you really shouldn't be a head coach.
Everybody wanted Penny, knew what he brought, knew his level of experience,

Not everybody. A few thought it was a bad idea and that he should get some college coaching experience, first.
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(02-04-2020 11:38 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  The slams on Penny, yes even saying he's inexperienced and trying to put it in a nice way are still slams, are hilarious to me.

Look at UNC. They lose their star player and the team completely falls apart. I guess he isn't experienced enough to know how to teach the players?

There are a multitude of things contributing to everything happening with this team and to focus on any one of them discounts the rest. Unless you touch on all the factors, the statement is incomplete at best or more than likely just plain wrong.

Observations that don't ridicule or demean are not slams. Calling him inexperienced at this level is not simply stating an opinion but rather a statement of fact, he IS in fact inexperienced at this level. Some of you can be rather obtuse. And comparing Roy Williams to Penny is the textbook definition of a false equivalency.
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(02-04-2020 11:25 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 10:49 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-03-2020 10:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:10 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 01:16 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not sure why he just wouldn't hire one of you guys

Get over yourself.

lol
You guys are the ones full of yourself. Or something.

Just like you we have our own opinions, while you may not agree with them how about acting like a grown up and respect our right to hold and even express them. So far you've added nothing of value to the conversation. If you don't have anything other than snide disrespectful remarks which demean others why not move along to another thread that holds more interest for you? It's easy, kind of like changing the channel on a show you don't wish to watch. Just a suggestion.

You crack me up.

All of this from the guy who started the "When Does Football Season Start" thread.

[Which to use:
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b) Speck and plank analogy
c) Pot - kettle]

Yeah well that was an apparently weak attempt at humor. I've not given up on this season but neither am I trying to pump sunshine up anyone's rectum.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-04-2020 11:38 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  The slams on Penny, yes even saying he's inexperienced and trying to put it in a nice way are still slams, are hilarious to me.

Look at UNC. They lose their star player and the team completely falls apart. I guess he isn't experienced enough to know how to teach the players?

There are a multitude of things contributing to everything happening with this team and to focus on any one of them discounts the rest. Unless you touch on all the factors, the statement is incomplete at best or more than likely just plain wrong.

Right, winning multiple titles at different schools tends to give a coach a little breathing room on the down seasons... Decades long tradition of consistent success and titles will do that for you but I would consider that breathing room as having been earned...

Realistically, I am not seeing posters "slam" Penny but rather point out some rather obvious facts.
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(02-04-2020 11:38 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  The slams on Penny, yes even saying he's inexperienced and trying to put it in a nice way are still slams, are hilarious to me.

Look at UNC. They lose their star player and the team completely falls apart. I guess he isn't experienced enough to know how to teach the players?

There are a multitude of things contributing to everything happening with this team and to focus on any one of them discounts the rest. Unless you touch on all the factors, the statement is incomplete at best or more than likely just plain wrong.

Right, winning multiple titles at different schools tends to give a coach a little breathing room on the down seasons... Decades long tradition of consistent success and titles will do that for you but I would consider that breathing room as having been earned...

Realistically, I am not seeing posters "slam" Penny but rather point out some rather obvious facts.

And I'm seeing some posters who are apparently refusing to acknowledge the obvious. I believe they call that denial. I get the loyalty to their coach but blind fealty is something altogether different. I can still support our coach and make casual observations about what I think he may need to improve on. That in and of itself doesn't make me right or wrong. My opinions may very well be wrong and I'm open to changing them if someone wishes to convince me I'm wrong with facts I can't dispute rather than belittle me for my opinions.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-04-2020 04:11 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-04-2020 01:28 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(02-04-2020 11:38 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  The slams on Penny, yes even saying he's inexperienced and trying to put it in a nice way are still slams, are hilarious to me.

Look at UNC. They lose their star player and the team completely falls apart. I guess he isn't experienced enough to know how to teach the players?

There are a multitude of things contributing to everything happening with this team and to focus on any one of them discounts the rest. Unless you touch on all the factors, the statement is incomplete at best or more than likely just plain wrong.

Right, winning multiple titles at different schools tends to give a coach a little breathing room on the down seasons... Decades long tradition of consistent success and titles will do that for you but I would consider that breathing room as having been earned...

Realistically, I am not seeing posters "slam" Penny but rather point out some rather obvious facts.

And I'm seeing some posters who are apparently refusing to acknowledge the obvious. I believe they call that denial. I get the loyalty to their coach but blind fealty is something altogether different. I can still support our coach and make casual observations about what I think he may need to improve on. That in and of itself doesn't make me right or wrong. My opinions may very well be wrong and I'm open to changing them if someone wishes to convince me I'm wrong with facts I can't dispute rather than belittle me for my opinions.

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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-04-2020 04:11 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-04-2020 01:28 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Realistically, I am not seeing posters "slam" Penny but rather point out some rather obvious facts.

And I'm seeing some posters who are apparently refusing to acknowledge the obvious. I believe they call that denial. I get the loyalty to their coach but blind fealty is something altogether different.

First, there are absolutely posters taking shots at Penny. Not to the extent of late-Pastner or Tubby, and maybe not slamming, but shots nonetheless.

Secondly, I don't think anyone is in denial about the flaws of this team. There's no blind fealty. The difference is we don't all feel the need to start threads about being ready for football, or laughing at a statement the coach made in preseason. It just seems that some who were pretty quiet while we were on the 10 game win streak, have become rather obviously and loudly negative over the past couple of weeks.
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RE: Since the administration wouldn't let Penny...
(02-04-2020 11:38 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  The slams on Penny, yes even saying he's inexperienced and trying to put it in a nice way are still slams, are hilarious to me.

Look at UNC. They lose their star player and the team completely falls apart. I guess he isn't experienced enough to know how to teach the players?

There are a multitude of things contributing to everything happening with this team and to focus on any one of them discounts the rest. Unless you touch on all the factors, the statement is incomplete at best or more than likely just plain wrong.

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