(02-25-2020 11:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:40 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:21 AM)dan10 Wrote:  SDSU has to be in consideration. I agree with their lone loss the other day it opens up the possibility but the top 4 seeds still seem clear with Baylor, Kansas, Gonzaga and SDSU. Duke, FSU, Dayton are clear 2's. I think Maryland may fall to a 3

Agree that they are in consideration, but they have a really thin margin for error. I feel like the committee will look for a reason to give them a 2 seed.

Craziest thing to me this year is seeing several relatively new to the scene names eyeing top seeds!

That is what happens when you dont have any dominant power teams. When they feed on each other the door opens up. Sometimes good timing is your friend

(02-25-2020 11:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Craziest thing to me this year is seeing several relatively new to the scene names eyeing top seeds!

Half of the teams vying for a top 1 or 2 seed are non-traditional with Baylor, SDSU, Dayton, FSU all being relatively new to this conversation.

Dayton was a 4 seed in 2003
SDSU was a 2 seed in 2011 (lost to UCONN by 7)
FSU and Baylor were both 3 seeds as recent as 2017

They're not programs without any history, but all are rarely top 4-6 in the country caliber.

(02-25-2020 12:14 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Craziest thing to me this year is seeing several relatively new to the scene names eyeing top seeds!

Half of the teams vying for a top 1 or 2 seed are non-traditional with Baylor, SDSU, Dayton, FSU all being relatively new to this conversation.

Dayton was a 4 seed in 2003
SDSU was a 2 seed in 2011 (lost to UCONN by 7)
FSU and Baylor were both 3 seeds as recent as 2017

They're not programs without any history, but all are rarely top 4-6 in the country caliber.

For sure, like you mention though not used to being in the discussion for the top line. That's really what i was getting at. While Baylor and FSU certainly are not the names we are used too, still P5's

I have't seen anything official, but Isaac Spainhour from West Stokes (north of Winston) is planning to take a PWO spot with FSU next year:

https://www.thestokesnews.com/sports/loc...ll-academy

I felt bad for Keatts last night. He's bringing in a lot of talent next year. Yes, he'll need to put together his best season and make the tournament, but he's going to have to figure out a way to beat Carolina. I'm sure he's hoping for another shot at THIS Carolina team, but losing to a historically bad Carolina team twice is not going to sit well with the fan base. Now, they're going to be on the bubble in March and they're going to have to re-live their bad losses.

Next year, they also may be facing a post-season ban...NCST is a tough job...I wish he'd waited it out for Georgetown.

(02-26-2020 09:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I felt bad for Keatts last night. He's bringing in a lot of talent next year. Yes, he'll need to put together his best season and make the tournament, but he's going to have to figure out a way to beat Carolina. I'm sure he's hoping for another shot at THIS Carolina team, but losing to a historically bad Carolina team twice is not going to sit well with the fan base. Now, they're going to be on the bubble in March and they're going to have to re-live their bad losses.

Next year, they also may be facing a post-season ban...NCST is a tough job...I wish he'd waited it out for Georgetown.

I was just texting with my State fan buddy about this very topic. But we both know that teams that can beat the press, and punch it inside are his team's kyrptonite. Even in a bad year, Carolina can do that. If he doesn't perform next year with that class, i find it hard to believe he makes it beyond.

(02-26-2020 09:06 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I felt bad for Keatts last night. He's bringing in a lot of talent next year. Yes, he'll need to put together his best season and make the tournament, but he's going to have to figure out a way to beat Carolina. I'm sure he's hoping for another shot at THIS Carolina team, but losing to a historically bad Carolina team twice is not going to sit well with the fan base. Now, they're going to be on the bubble in March and they're going to have to re-live their bad losses.

Next year, they also may be facing a post-season ban...NCST is a tough job...I wish he'd waited it out for Georgetown.

I was just texting with my State fan buddy about this very topic. But we both know that teams that can beat the press, and punch it inside are his team's kyrptonite. Even in a bad year, Carolina can do that. If he doesn't perform next year with that class, i find it hard to believe he makes it beyond.

He has a pretty solid recruiting class coming next year... but so does Carolina. Carolina is going to skyrocket next year in terms of improvement. If NCSU gets slammed with a post season ban next year with a class that could potentially have a one and done player or two could turn out to be a giant waste for him and sink him.

(02-25-2020 11:40 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:21 AM)dan10 Wrote:  SDSU has to be in consideration. I agree with their lone loss the other day it opens up the possibility but the top 4 seeds still seem clear with Baylor, Kansas, Gonzaga and SDSU. Duke, FSU, Dayton are clear 2's. I think Maryland may fall to a 3

Agree that they are in consideration, but they have a really thin margin for error. I feel like the committee will look for a reason to give them a 2 seed.

Duke lost 113-101 in double overtime at Wake Forest in the second game since 2010-2011 that was tied at halftime, after regulation, and after one overtime before being decided by at least 12. The previous time was Towson's 99-86 win hosting W&M on January 9, 2013. If FSU wins out, an ACC Final win over Duke or Louisville would be a better win than SDSU or Dayton can get.

Brownell and Clemson knocked off # 6 FSU today by a point. Congrats Coach B!

(02-29-2020 04:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Brownell and Clemson knocked off # 6 FSU today by a point. Congrats Coach B!

Yeah. His seat is as cold as it gets for a Clemson basketball coach now. He’ll likely be at Clemson for as long as he wants to be.


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Clemson has beaten FSU, Duke, and Louisville and still probably will be going to the NIT, unless they make some noise in the ACC Tournament. Kind of mind boggling.

Clemson got inside and won with 1 second left. That gave Duke control of their own destiny for the regular season title, which they blew with a loss at Virginia, who blocked a layup with 3.7 seconds left while up 51-50. Florida State and Louisville are tied for first, and Florida State swept Louisville.

Clemson is 15-13 and 73rd in the NET. If they win out until the ACC Final, I probably won't think they deserve an at-large bid. The ACC is ranked sixth in the Conference NET and Conference RPI, which is very bad by its standards, and Clemson's NET is eighth in the ACC.

Virginia is 51st in the NET, so they would be a bubble team if you selected teams exactly by the NET, but they're in good shape. They have won six in a row and nine of ten. If they win at Miami (14-14, NET 108th), they might be able to lose at Louisville and their first ACC Tournament game and still get in. Virginia can even think about a regular season title. Florida State and Louisville are 14-4, and Duke and Virginia are 13-5. If Virginia beats Louisville, they will be at least tied with Louisville, and have a head-to-head split. Virginia split with Florida State and won their only game against Duke. Florida State goes to Notre Dame (18-11, NET 57th, 14-3 at home) and should win hosting Boston College. If Florida State lose to Notre Dame and Virginia wins both, Virginia will be in somewhere from outright champion to a four-way tie for first. If Virginia beats Louisville and there is a four-way tie, the head-to-head would be:

UVA: 3-2 (1-1 vs. FSU, 1-1 vs. L, 1-0 vs. D)
FSU: 3-2 (1-1 vs. UVA, 2-0 vs. L, 0-1 vs. D)
L: 2-3 (1-1 vs. UVA, 0-2 vs. FSU, 1-0 vs. D)
D: 1-2 (0-1 vs. UVA, 1-0 vs. FSU, 0-1 vs. L)

There's a five-way tie for fifth at 9-9, so it's not worth thinking about how a tiebreaker between UVA and FSU for the next team(s) would go.

Four of the top nine in the polls lost yesterday, and it looked like it could be five when San Diego State trailed by 9 at halftime at Nevada. San Diego State went down 13 before winning 83-76. Baylor lost at TCU. Teams from outside the top seven conferences could get three 1 seeds. That could happen if Gonzaga, San Diego State, and Dayton win out, and Baylor loses another game to a team other than Kansas or maybe with a loss to Kansas. If Duke wins out, they might get a 1 seed because of their reputation over San Diego State or Dayton who is better this season.

East Tennessee State could finish with a better NET than the regular season champions of the Pac-12 (if it's UCLA), ACC (if it's UVA), and AAC (if it's Tulsa) and be left out. Yale has a better NET than the first place teams of the Pac-12 and AAC.

Edit: NC State fell out of ESPN's bracket. If they lose at Duke tonight, they may not get another chance at a good win. They end hosting Wake Forest.

I checked the score, and FSU was down 13. That turned out be their biggest deficit. When I check again, FSU was down 2. FSU missed, got the offensive rebound, and scored by the basket to go up 73-71 with 3.8 seconds. Notre Dame, who was underdogs by 1.5 including that they were home, got just past midcourt, shot a three to decide the game, and it went too far and hit the back rim. FSU led 5-4 for 15 seconds and didn't lead again until the last 3.8. FSU ends hosting Boston College, who has the worst NET in the ACC. With a win on Saturday at 4:30 P.M., FSU will get their first ACC 1 seed either outright or because they swept Louisville. FSU is in the 29th season in the ACC, and they were at least 2 games behind in every complete season. Even if they get a bad loss and Louisville wins, finishing 1 game behind would be the closest they have ever been. If FSU gets the 1 seed, my favorite two teams will both be regular season champions for the first time. I also want FSU to keep winning to get a 1 or 2 seed so they won't face Hofstra. Hofstra will probably get at least a 14, so they won't start against a 1 or 2. I would root for Hofstra over FSU, but it would annoy me if Hofstra wins their first CAA Tournament in their nineteenth try and has to face my next favorite team.

(02-26-2020 10:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:06 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I felt bad for Keatts last night. He's bringing in a lot of talent next year. Yes, he'll need to put together his best season and make the tournament, but he's going to have to figure out a way to beat Carolina. I'm sure he's hoping for another shot at THIS Carolina team, but losing to a historically bad Carolina team twice is not going to sit well with the fan base. Now, they're going to be on the bubble in March and they're going to have to re-live their bad losses.

Next year, they also may be facing a post-season ban...NCST is a tough job...I wish he'd waited it out for Georgetown.

I was just texting with my State fan buddy about this very topic. But we both know that teams that can beat the press, and punch it inside are his team's kyrptonite. Even in a bad year, Carolina can do that. If he doesn't perform next year with that class, i find it hard to believe he makes it beyond.

He has a pretty solid recruiting class coming next year... but so does Carolina. Carolina is going to skyrocket next year in terms of improvement. If NCSU gets slammed with a post season ban next year with a class that could potentially have a one and done player or two could turn out to be a giant waste for him and sink him.

Josh Hall made it official last night, so this is the second year in a row that Keatts has lost his top recruit to the NBA without stepping foot on campus as a student. His signature class will end up with a ranking around 38-40 and around the 8th class in the ACC. I assume they'll be below Miami and ahead of Clemson in the final class rating.

(05-01-2020 07:32 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:06 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I felt bad for Keatts last night. He's bringing in a lot of talent next year. Yes, he'll need to put together his best season and make the tournament, but he's going to have to figure out a way to beat Carolina. I'm sure he's hoping for another shot at THIS Carolina team, but losing to a historically bad Carolina team twice is not going to sit well with the fan base. Now, they're going to be on the bubble in March and they're going to have to re-live their bad losses.

Next year, they also may be facing a post-season ban...NCST is a tough job...I wish he'd waited it out for Georgetown.

I was just texting with my State fan buddy about this very topic. But we both know that teams that can beat the press, and punch it inside are his team's kyrptonite. Even in a bad year, Carolina can do that. If he doesn't perform next year with that class, i find it hard to believe he makes it beyond.

He has a pretty solid recruiting class coming next year... but so does Carolina. Carolina is going to skyrocket next year in terms of improvement. If NCSU gets slammed with a post season ban next year with a class that could potentially have a one and done player or two could turn out to be a giant waste for him and sink him.

Josh Hall made it official last night, so this is the second year in a row that Keatts has lost his top recruit to the NBA without stepping foot on campus as a student. His signature class will end up with a ranking around 38-40 and around the 8th class in the ACC. I assume they'll be below Miami and ahead of Clemson in the final class rating.

That's a tough break and will certainly make it tougher for him to get in the good graces of the unrealistic fans. I think they loose alot too. CJ for sure, i think Beverly, Thunderburgh

(05-01-2020 09:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 07:32 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:06 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I felt bad for Keatts last night. He's bringing in a lot of talent next year. Yes, he'll need to put together his best season and make the tournament, but he's going to have to figure out a way to beat Carolina. I'm sure he's hoping for another shot at THIS Carolina team, but losing to a historically bad Carolina team twice is not going to sit well with the fan base. Now, they're going to be on the bubble in March and they're going to have to re-live their bad losses.

Next year, they also may be facing a post-season ban...NCST is a tough job...I wish he'd waited it out for Georgetown.

I was just texting with my State fan buddy about this very topic. But we both know that teams that can beat the press, and punch it inside are his team's kyrptonite. Even in a bad year, Carolina can do that. If he doesn't perform next year with that class, i find it hard to believe he makes it beyond.

He has a pretty solid recruiting class coming next year... but so does Carolina. Carolina is going to skyrocket next year in terms of improvement. If NCSU gets slammed with a post season ban next year with a class that could potentially have a one and done player or two could turn out to be a giant waste for him and sink him.

Josh Hall made it official last night, so this is the second year in a row that Keatts has lost his top recruit to the NBA without stepping foot on campus as a student. His signature class will end up with a ranking around 38-40 and around the 8th class in the ACC. I assume they'll be below Miami and ahead of Clemson in the final class rating.

That's a touch break and will certainly make it tougher for him to get in the good graces of the unrealistic fans. I think they loose alot too. CJ for sure, i think Beverly, Thunderburgh

Funderburk will be a redshirt senior next year. Their front court will be okay, but they'll miss Markell Johnson a lot. Replacing CJ won't be easy, he was a starter and led the team in scoring. They have high hopes for Seabron, but I've seen some projections that their starting lineup at the beginning of the season would be Pg:Beverly Sg:Allen Sf: Daniels Pf: Funderburk C: Bates. I haven't seen Allen play, but they better hope that the freshman, Hayes, is ready to take over soon because a team with Beverly starting at PG is in trouble.

But, like you said, I don't think the talent on the roster is capable of meeting the fans expectations. I can see them replicating this season 9-12 conference wins, 0-1 marquee OOC win and sitting on the bubble again in March.

(05-01-2020 10:11 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 09:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 07:32 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:06 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I was just texting with my State fan buddy about this very topic. But we both know that teams that can beat the press, and punch it inside are his team's kyrptonite. Even in a bad year, Carolina can do that. If he doesn't perform next year with that class, i find it hard to believe he makes it beyond.

He has a pretty solid recruiting class coming next year... but so does Carolina. Carolina is going to skyrocket next year in terms of improvement. If NCSU gets slammed with a post season ban next year with a class that could potentially have a one and done player or two could turn out to be a giant waste for him and sink him.

Josh Hall made it official last night, so this is the second year in a row that Keatts has lost his top recruit to the NBA without stepping foot on campus as a student. His signature class will end up with a ranking around 38-40 and around the 8th class in the ACC. I assume they'll be below Miami and ahead of Clemson in the final class rating.

That's a touch break and will certainly make it tougher for him to get in the good graces of the unrealistic fans. I think they loose alot too. CJ for sure, i think Beverly, Thunderburgh

Funderburk will be a redshirt senior next year. Their front court will be okay, but they'll miss Markell Johnson a lot. Replacing CJ won't be easy, he was a starter and led the team in scoring. They have high hopes for Seabron, but I've seen some projections that their starting lineup at the beginning of the season would be Pg:Beverly Sg:Allen Sf: Daniels Pf: Funderburk C: Bates. I haven't seen Allen play, but they better hope that the freshman, Hayes, is ready to take over soon because a team with Beverly starting at PG is in trouble.

But, like you said, I don't think the talent on the roster is capable of meeting the fans expectations. I can see them replicating this season 9-12 conference wins, 0-1 marquee OOC win and sitting on the bubble again in March.

I swear, Beverly has been there like 8 years!

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/20...047915001/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...079044001/