So YSU will be searching for a new HC at this late hour. Wonder if Montgomery will be a candidate?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...oordinator

How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Eh, they’re very different jobs. He’s got a track record & philosophy as a DC that Orgeron must trust. I don’t think any FCS W/L record tells the story on how someone might perform as a coordinator. Just significantly different jobs. One is more CEO or GM of a company. One is more hands-on teacher.

Yeah, Pelini's negotiated Nebraska money (1.8 million yearly minus his Youngstown salary) ended in Feb of 2019. He'll be getting 2.3 million a year at LSU. Guess the 200k he was making at Y'town didn't seem so appealing.

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

He was DC at LSU when they won the Title in 2007. Even though I wasn't a big fan of his as HC at Nebraska, I thought he was a pretty good coordinator. Certainly doesn't have HC temperament though.

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Agreed (although he did take YSU to the NC game his 1st season).

I have to suspect Monty will be under consideration for the opening given his history with the school and ties to the state of Ohio.

Monty 1 of 3 finalists.
https://www.wkbn.com/sports/could-one-of...ekend/amp/

Lol if YSU hires the HS coach..

(01-27-2020 10:47 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Agreed (although he did take YSU to the NC game his 1st season).

Bo was LSU’s DC previously in 2007 when they won a prior National championship. His track record there is pretty good. That was what originally got him his Head coaching job at Nebraska, where he struggled and then landed at YSU.

Just because a coach isn’t always a great HC doesn’t mean they aren’t a great coordinator. LSU pays very well, and makes his YSU salary look like peanuts. His Nebraska severance pay also just ran out this year, which is why he accepted the YSU job to start with.

Also, there is more to winning than just the coach, and YSU might struggle with a new coach also. Outside of a good year in 2016, they haven’t been a strong program in a long time now. Whoever lands up there will not find it easy to fix, just as Houston is learning at ECU.

(02-05-2020 11:15 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:47 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Agreed (although he did take YSU to the NC game his 1st season).

Bo was LSU’s DC previously in 2007 when they won a prior National championship. His track record there is pretty good. That was what originally got him his Head coaching job at Nebraska, where he struggled and then landed at YSU.

Just because a coach isn’t always a great HC doesn’t mean they aren’t a great coordinator. LSU pays very well, and makes his YSU salary look like peanuts. His Nebraska severance pay also just ran out this year, which is why he accepted the YSU job to start with.

Also, there is more to winning than just the coach, and YSU might struggle with a new coach also. Outside of a good year in 2016, they haven’t been a strong program in a long time now. Whoever lands up there will not find it easy to fix, just as Houston is learning at ECU.

My initial post was more of a rhetorical question with an underlying theme of "failing upwards," both in salary and prestige.

(02-05-2020 12:47 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:15 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:47 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Agreed (although he did take YSU to the NC game his 1st season).

Bo was LSU’s DC previously in 2007 when they won a prior National championship. His track record there is pretty good. That was what originally got him his Head coaching job at Nebraska, where he struggled and then landed at YSU.

Just because a coach isn’t always a great HC doesn’t mean they aren’t a great coordinator. LSU pays very well, and makes his YSU salary look like peanuts. His Nebraska severance pay also just ran out this year, which is why he accepted the YSU job to start with.

Also, there is more to winning than just the coach, and YSU might struggle with a new coach also. Outside of a good year in 2016, they haven’t been a strong program in a long time now. Whoever lands up there will not find it easy to fix, just as Houston is learning at ECU.

My initial post was more of a rhetorical question with an underlying theme of "failing upwards," both in salary and prestige.

Gotcha, really he’s not though. He’s returning to a well paying past gig that he performed very well at. It’s really a win-win-win for all parties.

Success at HC and coordinator require a little bit different skill sets.

Seems we could be losing our OC to Youngstown State. He's in contention to be their new HC.

Montgomery was OC at Youngstown State from 2010-17. He has spoken to reps from Youngstown State and is believed to be a viable candidate

https://footballscoop.com/news/update-at...own-state/

(02-05-2020 12:57 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 12:47 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:15 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:47 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Agreed (although he did take YSU to the NC game his 1st season).

Bo was LSU’s DC previously in 2007 when they won a prior National championship. His track record there is pretty good. That was what originally got him his Head coaching job at Nebraska, where he struggled and then landed at YSU.

Just because a coach isn’t always a great HC doesn’t mean they aren’t a great coordinator. LSU pays very well, and makes his YSU salary look like peanuts. His Nebraska severance pay also just ran out this year, which is why he accepted the YSU job to start with.

Also, there is more to winning than just the coach, and YSU might struggle with a new coach also. Outside of a good year in 2016, they haven’t been a strong program in a long time now. Whoever lands up there will not find it easy to fix, just as Houston is learning at ECU.

My initial post was more of a rhetorical question with an underlying theme of "failing upwards," both in salary and prestige.

Gotcha, really he’s not though. He’s returning to a well paying past gig that he performed very well at. It’s really a win-win-win for all parties.

Success at HC and coordinator require a little bit different skill sets.

Ehhhh I mean his last 3 years at YSU were all worse than MM's last 3 years at JMU. MM got fired. Bo Pelini got a new job that pays 9-10x more.

We could debate all the little details, but the fact is he went from a job paying $250k(?) to $2.3M and he went form coaching a mid pack MVC team to a national title SEC team. This came immediately after a non successful tenure at his current job, and even his job before where he was paid $8M to go away.

Sure, he did a great job 13 years ago at LSU, and sure, he is a great DC and a bad HC, but to 9-10x your salary after being mediocre at best at your prior 2 jobs the past decade certainly seems like failing up to me.

Agree that it could very well be a win-win-win for all parties, and I'll give that he is great DC and a not as good HC, but none of that changes the "failing upwards" as he did a job that might have gotten him fired at other schools and instead he got a 9-10x pay increase.

This is all becoming semantics now, but I see Bo as more of an example of the Peter/Dilbert principal:

He was promoted to his level of incompetence (HC at Nebraska), then fell backwards (YSU), and then regained his job at a level of competence (DC).

It’s not really failing up so much as regaining his footing where he was competently performing previously. It’s literally the exact same job at the same school he was at prior to his HC failures. There’s very logical reasons why LSU wants him back, and no other “failing” FCS HC would be viewed the same way. YSU will be a tough job for any coach that takes over imo.

(02-05-2020 11:15 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:47 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Agreed (although he did take YSU to the NC game his 1st season).

Bo was LSU’s DC previously in 2007 when they won a prior National championship. His track record there is pretty good. That was what originally got him his Head coaching job at Nebraska, where he struggled and then landed at YSU.

Just because a coach isn’t always a great HC doesn’t mean they aren’t a great coordinator. LSU pays very well, and makes his YSU salary look like peanuts. His Nebraska severance pay also just ran out this year, which is why he accepted the YSU job to start with.

Also, there is more to winning than just the coach, and YSU might struggle with a new coach also. Outside of a good year in 2016, they haven’t been a strong program in a long time now. Whoever lands up there will not find it easy to fix, just as Houston is learning at ECU.

Depends on the definition of "struggle". You can argue that Bo Pelinni is the best HC Nebraska has had in 23 years given that Solich inherited the #1 program in the country and it trended downhill. Pelinni on the other hand inherited a program with a losing record in the Big 12 an turned them into a perennial Top 15-20.

Nebraska football:
1994 Osbourne 13-0 (National Champs)
1995 ..............12-0 (National Champs)
1996 ..............11-2
1997 ..............13-0 (National Champs)

1998-2003 Frank Solich 58–19 (.753)
2004-2007 Bill Callahan 27-22
2008-2014 Bo Pelinni 67-27 (.713) (7 seasons: 3 ten win, 4 nine win)
2014 Barney Cotton (1-1)
2015-2017 Mike Riley 19-19
2018-2019 Scott Frost 9-15

The real head scratcher on Pelinni:
Nebraska 67-27/39-17 (inherited a mediocre at best Nebraska team (5-7/2-6 prior season). 7 seasons, 7 good.
YSU 33-28/18-22 (inherited a mediocre YSU team (6-5/4-4 prior season). 5 seasons, 1 good season, 1 mediocre, 3 losing.

Is YSU that much harder to be successful at than Nebraska?

I thought Montgomery did a marvelous job as a play caller last year. I felt Nooch really benefited from Shane’s approach and overall scheme.

Losing Monty would be a significant loss. Ultimately, I trust CC would find a suitable replacement.

(02-05-2020 07:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:15 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:47 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 10:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  How does an FCS coach coming off 6-5, 4-7 and 6-6 (no FBS team) seasons get a DC job at the FBS national champion?

Agreed (although he did take YSU to the NC game his 1st season).

Bo was LSU’s DC previously in 2007 when they won a prior National championship. His track record there is pretty good. That was what originally got him his Head coaching job at Nebraska, where he struggled and then landed at YSU.

Just because a coach isn’t always a great HC doesn’t mean they aren’t a great coordinator. LSU pays very well, and makes his YSU salary look like peanuts. His Nebraska severance pay also just ran out this year, which is why he accepted the YSU job to start with.

Also, there is more to winning than just the coach, and YSU might struggle with a new coach also. Outside of a good year in 2016, they haven’t been a strong program in a long time now. Whoever lands up there will not find it easy to fix, just as Houston is learning at ECU.

Depends on the definition of "struggle". You can argue that Bo Pelinni is the best HC Nebraska has had in 23 years given that Solich inherited the #1 program in the country and it trended downhill. Pelinni on the other hand inherited a program with a losing record in the Big 12 an turned them into a perennial Top 15-20.

Nebraska football:
1994 Osbourne 13-0 (National Champs)
1995 ..............12-0 (National Champs)
1996 ..............11-2
1997 ..............13-0 (National Champs)

1998-2003 Frank Solich 58–19 (.753)
2004-2007 Bill Callahan 27-22
2008-2014 Bo Pelinni 67-27 (.713) (7 seasons: 3 ten win, 4 nine win)
2014 Barney Cotton (1-1)
2015-2017 Mike Riley 19-19
2018-2019 Scott Frost 9-15

The real head scratcher on Pelinni:
Nebraska 67-27/39-17 (inherited a mediocre at best Nebraska team (5-7/2-6 prior season). 7 seasons, 7 good.
YSU 33-28/18-22 (inherited a mediocre YSU team (6-5/4-4 prior season). 5 seasons, 1 good season, 1 mediocre, 3 losing.

Is YSU that much harder to be successful at than Nebraska?

Meant he struggled to meet their expectations, and was shown the door with a big buyout. Believe he was seen as damaged goods after that as a head coach. Youngstown got him cheap. I would say the bar was higher at Nebraska, and it was a bit easier to win there because of past success, brand, fan support, etc. JMU fans would not be happy with 9 win seasons either. Clearly the cornhuskers have fallen from glory now. My view is YSU doesn't have the fan and financial support needed right now, and it puts them at a disadvantage in the MVC.

(02-05-2020 08:13 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  I thought Montgomery did a marvelous job as a play caller last year. I felt Nooch really benefited from Shane’s approach and overall scheme.

Losing Monty would be a significant loss. Ultimately, I trust CC would find a suitable replacement.

Perhaps. There were times that a conservative bent to the offense had me scratching my head. If Montgomery leaves, I think JMU will be fine.

(02-05-2020 10:19 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Monty 1 of 3 finalists.
https://www.wkbn.com/sports/could-one-of...ekend/amp/

Lol if YSU hires the HS coach..

It seems to be a done deal. Numerous YSU fans on AGS, the YSU board, and Twitter all saying it is the HS coach Tim Tyrell. Players informed yesterday, and official announcement to be on Saturday. Only 2 or 3 HS coaches to D1 that I can think of, and none turned out well.

Jim Tressel was an amazing HC for YSU in the 90's, taking them to 5 championship games, and winning 3. But he sure does make some curious hiring decisions.

(02-05-2020 06:30 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  This is all becoming semantics now, but I see Bo as more of an example of the Peter/Dilbert principal:

He was promoted to his level of incompetence (HC at Nebraska), then fell backwards (YSU), and then regained his job at a level of competence (DC).

It’s not really failing up so much as regaining his footing where he was competently performing previously. It’s literally the exact same job at the same school he was at prior to his HC failures. There’s very logical reasons why LSU wants him back, and no other “failing” FCS HC would be viewed the same way. YSU will be a tough job for any coach that takes over imo.

That's a fair point and totally agreed we are in the weeds at this point. To be fair if he was more pleasant person (allegedly), he'd probably be a FBS HC right now, which then negates my entire "failing upwards" point.