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(01-28-2020 09:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He’s going to look to pull a Joe Burrow. OT was probably appropriate.

That's delusional, if true.

Joe Burrow transferred out of Ohio State, where he was never higher than 3rd string.
And there was no path to playing time because he was buried on the depth chart behind a future NFL star who is a year younger than Burrow. (Dwayne Haskins started 7 games for the Redskins as a rookie this year).

Ramsey has had plenty of chances to show his quality in games. And he's being supplanted by a 3-star recruit that has no shot at the NFL.

Ramsey might be useful to UC, perhaps even very useful. But he's not going to walk in and start for a legit title contender.

(01-28-2020 09:52 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:54 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:46 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Again my preference would have been to see if the solution to our QB production is internal but they decided against that. Ramsey's one year of eligibility gives you a great bridge to Prater.

Do you know something more? I thought we were just speculating that he might come here.

No, I was referring to the unwillingness to bench a struggling starter and play Bryant. I was saying they had an ideal opportunity to give Bryant playing time and didn't. I wasn't saying they were going after Ramsey.

My guess (hope) is that there will be a healthy competition between Ridder and Bryant this spring. I can't imagine the door is closed on Bryant at this point heading into his RS Soph year. For whatever reason they were reluctant to make a change this year down the stretch but I don't interpret that to mean they won't make a change in the future.

(01-28-2020 10:30 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  My guess (hope) is that there will be a healthy competition between Ridder and Bryant this spring. I can't imagine the door is closed on Bryant at this point heading into his RS Soph year. For whatever reason they were reluctant to make a change this year down the stretch but I don't interpret that to mean they won't make a change in the future.

Hope so. With the talent we're going to have over the next few years we've got a chance to be NY6 caliber. I just don't think we can continue to do it without a passing game. We know we have enough talent to compete for the conference despite Des' limitations but I want more than that. If Bryant doesn't win the job or Prater isn't ready to start as a true freshman I think we need a different bridge to the Prater era.

(01-28-2020 10:59 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 10:30 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  My guess (hope) is that there will be a healthy competition between Ridder and Bryant this spring. I can't imagine the door is closed on Bryant at this point heading into his RS Soph year. For whatever reason they were reluctant to make a change this year down the stretch but I don't interpret that to mean they won't make a change in the future.

Hope so. With the talent we're going to have over the next few years we've got a chance to be NY6 caliber. I just don't think we can continue to do it without a passing game. We know we have enough talent to compete for the conference despite Des' limitations but I want more than that. If Bryant doesn't win the job or Prater isn't ready to start as a true freshman I think we need a different bridge to the Prater era.

Des has been a successful leader for two years. He's also had to deal with injuries both seasons--getting knocked out of the Military Bowl last January and rested in the first Memphis game this past season. From what I know, Ramsey is built more for the punishment of being the alternate run option in an offense such as what UC has employed the past two years. Would Ramsey come to split time, or as the backup? Who knows? Again, it's all just speculation at this point.

Peyton Ramsey had a better QBR (includes run contributions) than Jake Fromm, Justin Herbert, and Brady White among others. Des was 8th in his conference last year, the American conference, not the SEC. Health is not the only thing separating these players.

If Ben Bryant (and to a lesser extent Prater) isn't given a true open competition this Spring, or doesn't win it and the answer is Dez, I'd rather have Ramsey for one year as a bridge to Prater..

If Bryant wins an open competition I've seen enough to be okay rolling with him and having Dez and Prater as reserves.

(01-28-2020 12:09 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  If Ben Bryant (and to a lesser extent Prater) isn't given a true open competition this Spring, or doesn't win it and the answer is Dez, I'd rather have Ramsey for one year as a bridge to Prater..

If Bryant wins an open competition I've seen enough to be okay rolling with him and having Dez and Prater as reserves.

I'm going to tap out as I get to involved in these QB threads but this is 100% my position. What I've seen isn't good enough to get where we want to go.

(01-28-2020 12:14 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 12:09 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  If Ben Bryant (and to a lesser extent Prater) isn't given a true open competition this Spring, or doesn't win it and the answer is Dez, I'd rather have Ramsey for one year as a bridge to Prater..

If Bryant wins an open competition I've seen enough to be okay rolling with him and having Dez and Prater as reserves.

I'm going to tap out as I get to involved in these QB threads but this is 100% my position. What I've seen isn't good enough to get where we want to go.

FWIW, Denbrock spoke at the UCATS Coffee with Cunningham event last Friday. He said he hoped (and expected) to have a wide open QB competition this spring.

(01-28-2020 01:12 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 12:14 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 12:09 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  If Ben Bryant (and to a lesser extent Prater) isn't given a true open competition this Spring, or doesn't win it and the answer is Dez, I'd rather have Ramsey for one year as a bridge to Prater..

If Bryant wins an open competition I've seen enough to be okay rolling with him and having Dez and Prater as reserves.

I'm going to tap out as I get to involved in these QB threads but this is 100% my position. What I've seen isn't good enough to get where we want to go.

FWIW, Denbrock spoke at the UCATS Coffee with Cunningham event last Friday. He said he hoped (and expected) to have a wide open QB competition this spring.

Wow! Great info. Thank you.

They gotta say that, but does anyone really think they don't start Dez if he's healthy? From what we saw the last half of the year, Ridder would have to break his leg to sit. I'd love to see a legit competition, because I think Bryant has a higher ceiling.

I'm kind of surprised Bryant hasn't entered the portal. He couldn't get run when Dez was banged up and throwing dead ducks, and now Prater is looming for 2021. He may rightly see himself as in a similar situation to Burrow.

As talented as he seems to be, it's not likely that Prater will be the starter this year.

(01-28-2020 10:30 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:52 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:54 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 08:46 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Again my preference would have been to see if the solution to our QB production is internal but they decided against that. Ramsey's one year of eligibility gives you a great bridge to Prater.

Do you know something more? I thought we were just speculating that he might come here.

No, I was referring to the unwillingness to bench a struggling starter and play Bryant. I was saying they had an ideal opportunity to give Bryant playing time and didn't. I wasn't saying they were going after Ramsey.

My guess (hope) is that there will be a healthy competition between Ridder and Bryant this spring. I can't imagine the door is closed on Bryant at this point heading into his RS Soph year. For whatever reason they were reluctant to make a change this year down the stretch but I don't interpret that to mean they won't make a change in the future.

i love everything this staff has done with the exception of how they've handled Ridder/Bryant this season; and they have shown nothing to indicate that there will be an open competition for QB1. They had every opportunity to give Bryant meaningful snaps with Ridder both under-performing and/or injured and not only did they balk at it, they doubled-down on Ridder by starting him the second Memphis game. i can only interpret the coaching staff's actions as having Ridder as QB1 going into spring ball barring off-field misconduct of some type or injury. i can't understand how ppl can interpret it otherwise.

(01-28-2020 09:41 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:06 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:04 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  FWIW the rumor was started by ThreeRiversKing on 1/3/20 in the thread "A few quarterback thoughts" long before Ramsey entered the portal.

"Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with current roster/incoming recruits we have now."

Intuitively, it makes a lot more sense than him finishing his career at a place such as Georgia Southern or Montana.

He wouldn't fall that far...there are plenty of schools in the P5 with newfound vacancies who would be happy to take him (Virginia and Vanderbilt ring a bell) and I would absolutely see him at a school like Toledo, Ohio, Miami etc. before going to the middle of nowhere in FCS. Oddly enough, all three of those schools also have open doors at QB (To the person who said Miami had a good QB, please look at his actual stats...he was unspectacular at best and would be a perfect redshirt candidate this season) and are relatively local options.

You might want to dig deeper into Gabbert's stats last year at Miami. He had some rough outings early on as a true freshman (don't forget their schedule included UC, OSU and Iowa) but was pretty solid for most of the second half of the season with quite a few games coming in inclement weather iirc. And he did lead them to a MAC Championship after all. That said, having him redshirt a year to learn under a guy like Ramsey if he stays healthy makes some sense. And if Ramsey gets hurt and Gabbert has to play in more than 4 games or take over the job, then so be it.

As far as the fears about morale or whatever at UC if he were to come in, I get where that's coming from. But from what I've read, Ramsey is every bit the gamer/winner/teammate that Des is. I'm guessing he'd earn his way into acceptance pretty quickly especially if he's performing on the field. But yeah I could see it leading to a QB transfer out whether it's Bryant or Des or whoever.

(01-28-2020 10:13 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He’s going to look to pull a Joe Burrow. OT was probably appropriate.

That's delusional, if true.

Joe Burrow transferred out of Ohio State, where he was never higher than 3rd string.
And there was no path to playing time because he was buried on the depth chart behind a future NFL star who is a year younger than Burrow. (Dwayne Haskins started 7 games for the Redskins as a rookie this year).

Ramsey has had plenty of chances to show his quality in games. And he's being supplanted by a 3-star recruit that has no shot at the NFL.

Ramsey might be useful to UC, perhaps even very useful. But he's not going to walk in and start for a legit title contender.

SI strongly disagrees with your take on Ramsey's likely transfer prospects and talks a lot about how highly regarded he is at IU:

Quote:He will likely have plenty of suitors, including some teams with conference or national championship aspirations.

...Ramsey was praised as a great team leader even when he wasn't playing, and the Hoosiers never missed a beat when he had to play.

...Ramsey should garner plenty of interest because he is a cerebral quarterback who would be able to catch on to a new system quickly. He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, but it is much better than a year ago, thanks to a full season of extensive conditioning.

And as far as his replacement, Penix, goes, they also disagree with your assessment that he has no shot at the NFL:

Quote:Penix, a hard-throwing left-hander from Tampa, Fla., has all the tools to be an NFL quarterback, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy so far in his two years in Bloomington.

I still haven't seen anything indicating the true plausibility of the rumor, but I'm starting to warm up to it. One other aspect I haven't heard anyone address is how Des feels about playing professional football. Does anybody realistically see him as a QB in the NFL or even CFL? I wonder how his hands are? He wouldn't be the first college QB switched to WR to the benefit of both his team and himself (including his professional opportunities.)

Hopefully the coaches are being creative in evaluating their options...

I dont know why he would come here. We're a little crowded at QB.

Maybe he would make a good LB or DB.

(01-29-2020 12:56 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I dont know why he would come here. We're a little crowded at QB.

Maybe he would make a good LB or DB.

Great username!

(01-29-2020 01:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 12:56 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I dont know why he would come here. We're a little crowded at QB.

Maybe he would make a good LB or DB.

Great username!

(01-29-2020 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 12:56 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I dont know why he would come here. We're a little crowded at QB.

Maybe he would make a good LB or DB.

Great username!

Yep. Welcome aboard.

Now if only you had some of Catlett's sport coats from the 70's you could do Herb Tarlik proud too.

(01-29-2020 03:32 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 12:56 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I dont know why he would come here. We're a little crowded at QB.

Maybe he would make a good LB or DB.

Great username!

Yep. Welcome aboard.

Now if only you had some of Catlett's sport coats from the 70's you could do Herb Tarlik proud too.

Those coats were ugly even in the seventies!

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