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A repeat of this season 24.32% 9 24.32%
A .500 season 18.92% 7 18.92%
20 wins & no post season 21.62% 8 21.62%
25 wins & no post season 5.41% 2 5.41%
It doesn't matter. He needs to go 29.73% 11 29.73%
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(01-28-2020 10:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:38 AM)ODUBB12BB Wrote:  Basically what this poll has stated is that 75% of those who voted are ready for Jeff to move on.

That's a weird interpretation of the results. You got 24% that would be in support of keeping him as long as we improve next year and another 18% that would be cool if they win more than half their games. Neither bar should be tough to reach and represent 42% of respondents.

You're being kind. That kind of analysis of data is basically just cooking the books to get a result he wants to see.
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You think we are going to finish .500 this season?!
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(01-28-2020 11:40 AM)ODUBB12BB Wrote:  You think we are going to finish .500 this season?!

The poll was asking about next year. Option 1 literally says "a repeat of this season". 03-nutkick
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-27-2020 11:03 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:09 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  This year's team reminds me of the 2007-08 squad. That squad went 17-15 when Lee, Finney, Hassell, Carter, and James were Freshmen and Sophomores, then went 21-10 as Sophomores and Juniors, and 26-8 as Juniors and Seniors. I actually think this team has a higher ceiling that that team did. We don't have a Gerald Lee or Frank Hassell, but I think Kalu and Reece can be a pretty great duo in their own right. I think Wade is better than Finney ever was, and he's only a Sophomore. Green and Oliver are a great duo at the 2 and 3, and both offer us a skillset that team never had. Curry is a better PG than James from an athletic and skill standpoint, but James took care of the ball better and ran the offense better. We'll likely see Curry improve in both of those areas next year with more time in the system.

Yeah yeah and Sam Harris is going to be all caa lol.

Different decade, same ol' Ramen. Can't argue against people's actual points, so you make stuff up. I'd love for you to dig up the ACTUAL Sam Harris quote. In the meantime, I'll dig up all of your doom and gloom predictions that miss the mark nearly every single year.

Keep being you, though. Every fanbase needs at least one loathsome know-nothing.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-28-2020 10:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:38 AM)ODUBB12BB Wrote:  Basically what this poll has stated is that 75% of those who voted are ready for Jeff to move on.

That's a weird interpretation of the results. You got 24% that would be in support of keeping him as long as we improve next year and another 18% that would be cool if they win more than half their games. Neither bar should be tough to reach and represent 42% of respondents.

You're being kind. That kind of analysis of data is basically just cooking the books to get a result he wants to see.

The way the Poll was set up, 100% of the people that voted are in favor of firing Jeff after next season ends if ODU did not make it to the post season - that's assuming that ODU does not make it to the post season THIS season.

What would it take for you to fire JJ after next season?

Everyone voted in favor of firing him if -
A). Repeat of this season.
B). .500 season.
C). No Post season.
D). No Post season.
E). He needs to go regardless.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
? huh?

16 people voted that it would take a record of .500 or below next year to fire him. Presumably, that means if he won 20 games and didn't make the postseason, they wouldn't necessarily wish him to be fired.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-28-2020 02:55 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  ? huh?

16 people voted that it would take a record of .500 or below next year to fire him. Presumably, that means if he won 20 games and didn't make the postseason, they wouldn't necessarily wish him to be fired.

I see and agree with your take on it. The poll should have been worded differently. Perhaps something like - What is the minimum results it would take for you to want to keep Jeff on as coach next season?

.500 season overall
Regular Season Conference Champions
20 Wins
25 Wins
Post Season (NIT or NCAA)
Nothing, fire him
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-28-2020 02:43 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:49 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:38 AM)ODUBB12BB Wrote:  Basically what this poll has stated is that 75% of those who voted are ready for Jeff to move on.

That's a weird interpretation of the results. You got 24% that would be in support of keeping him as long as we improve next year and another 18% that would be cool if they win more than half their games. Neither bar should be tough to reach and represent 42% of respondents.

You're being kind. That kind of analysis of data is basically just cooking the books to get a result he wants to see.

The way the Poll was set up, 100% of the people that voted are in favor of firing Jeff after next season ends if ODU did not make it to the post season - that's assuming that ODU does not make it to the post season THIS season.

What would it take for you to fire JJ after next season?

Everyone voted in favor of firing him if -
A). Repeat of this season.
B). .500 season.
C). No Post season.
D). No Post season.
E). He needs to go regardless.

I did that on purpose because the question is moot if we make the NCAAT next year. The point is there are varying degrees of no post season, and I was interested in what that threshold is for most people.
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RE: What is your breaking point with JJ?
(01-28-2020 02:10 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 11:03 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:09 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  This year's team reminds me of the 2007-08 squad. That squad went 17-15 when Lee, Finney, Hassell, Carter, and James were Freshmen and Sophomores, then went 21-10 as Sophomores and Juniors, and 26-8 as Juniors and Seniors. I actually think this team has a higher ceiling that that team did. We don't have a Gerald Lee or Frank Hassell, but I think Kalu and Reece can be a pretty great duo in their own right. I think Wade is better than Finney ever was, and he's only a Sophomore. Green and Oliver are a great duo at the 2 and 3, and both offer us a skillset that team never had. Curry is a better PG than James from an athletic and skill standpoint, but James took care of the ball better and ran the offense better. We'll likely see Curry improve in both of those areas next year with more time in the system.

Yeah yeah and Sam Harris is going to be all caa lol.

Different decade, same ol' Ramen. Can't argue against people's actual points, so you make stuff up. I'd love for you to dig up the ACTUAL Sam Harris quote. In the meantime, I'll dig up all of your doom and gloom predictions that miss the mark nearly every single year.

Keep being you, though. Every fanbase needs at least one loathsome know-nothing.

You absolutely 100% argued that based on the way he played in the blue white game and in 2 exhibitions, he had the potential to be an all caa caliber player.

Everyone laughed at you then just as everyone laughs at you now 2 time drain poster of the year (or did that not happen either)?

Next thing you know you’ll be pretending like home court disadvantage didn’t happen either lol.
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AHHHH!!! So you admit to making it up. Hopefully after more than a decade you finally understand the meaning of the word "potential"...especially as it pertains to a one-time stellar performance being extrapolated across the vast majority of a season.

Troll on, Troll.
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Coming off a Conference title, this thread is way to premature.
Now if he goes 3 years without another NCAA bid, we can have this discussion.
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(01-27-2020 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Our peak with 7 years of Jones is a drubbing in the NCAAT following by a collapse\rebuilding year in the lousy C-USA. We can do much better. ODU needs to change it's business model to hiring up and coming young coaches even if that means they only stick around for a couple years. The main benefit of long term tenured coaches is ti supposed to improve recruiting but sure as heck has not been the case with Jones. I fear that Jones consistent mediocre performance is doing lasting harm to ODU's "brand" that will be difficult to reignite.

This is actually a good point that hasn't been raised. I could make an argument that JJ's tenure has done far more damage to the ODU brand than BT's meltdown.

Y'all must be remembering that year that shall not be named (BT meltdown year) the way I do. JJ is NO WAY near doing damage ANY WAY near what Taylor did to us. He was DRUNK on his radio show, DRUNK at a game, basically stopped recruiting the last two years due to, in my opinion, his jealousy of football start up and having BW becoming the school's darling. He was so sure he'd get a bigger job after winning big in the 2011 NCAAs but ended up being out coached in the first round by Butler. That game was the start of the fall off the wagon. He left the cupboard bare and embarrassing video of his drunken coach's show as his legacy. We were the laughing stock of the sports world for a few months. JJ has a whole lot of stuff to do before he is any where near the same damage causer as BT.
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(01-29-2020 09:18 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Our peak with 7 years of Jones is a drubbing in the NCAAT following by a collapse\rebuilding year in the lousy C-USA. We can do much better. ODU needs to change it's business model to hiring up and coming young coaches even if that means they only stick around for a couple years. The main benefit of long term tenured coaches is ti supposed to improve recruiting but sure as heck has not been the case with Jones. I fear that Jones consistent mediocre performance is doing lasting harm to ODU's "brand" that will be difficult to reignite.

This is actually a good point that hasn't been raised. I could make an argument that JJ's tenure has done far more damage to the ODU brand than BT's meltdown.

Y'all must be remembering that year that shall not be named (BT meltdown year) the way I do. JJ is NO WAY near doing damage ANY WAY near what Taylor did to us. He was DRUNK on his radio show, DRUNK at a game, basically stopped recruiting the last two years due to, in my opinion, his jealousy of football start up and having BW becoming the school's darling. He was so sure he'd get a bigger job after winning big in the 2011 NCAAs but ended up being out coached in the first round by Butler. That game was the start of the fall off the wagon. He left the cupboard bare and embarrassing video of his drunken coach's show as his legacy. We were the laughing stock of the sports world for a few months. JJ has a whole lot of stuff to do before he is any where near the same damage causer as BT.
And if you asked 100 non ODU fans about BT they would say, who? The status and legitimacy that ODU has lost on the national stage during JJ's tenure is measurable, while BT's meltdown is barely a blip on the sports radar.

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(01-29-2020 10:01 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:18 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Our peak with 7 years of Jones is a drubbing in the NCAAT following by a collapse\rebuilding year in the lousy C-USA. We can do much better. ODU needs to change it's business model to hiring up and coming young coaches even if that means they only stick around for a couple years. The main benefit of long term tenured coaches is ti supposed to improve recruiting but sure as heck has not been the case with Jones. I fear that Jones consistent mediocre performance is doing lasting harm to ODU's "brand" that will be difficult to reignite.

This is actually a good point that hasn't been raised. I could make an argument that JJ's tenure has done far more damage to the ODU brand than BT's meltdown.

Y'all must be remembering that year that shall not be named (BT meltdown year) the way I do. JJ is NO WAY near doing damage ANY WAY near what Taylor did to us. He was DRUNK on his radio show, DRUNK at a game, basically stopped recruiting the last two years due to, in my opinion, his jealousy of football start up and having BW becoming the school's darling. He was so sure he'd get a bigger job after winning big in the 2011 NCAAs but ended up being out coached in the first round by Butler. That game was the start of the fall off the wagon. He left the cupboard bare and embarrassing video of his drunken coach's show as his legacy. We were the laughing stock of the sports world for a few months. JJ has a whole lot of stuff to do before he is any where near the same damage causer as BT.
And if you asked 100 non ODU fans about BT they would say, who? The status and legitimacy that ODU has lost on the national stage during JJ's tenure is measurable, while BT's meltdown is barely a blip on the sports radar.

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I think you're overstating the "damage" being done by JJ by quite a bit. You can be unhappy about only one conference title and NCAA trip in his tenure, but four 25-win seasons in his first six is hardly damage, unless you're a perennial top 10 program that fell out of the polls. Let's not act as though he took ODU from Gonzaga to VMI.
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(01-29-2020 10:16 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 10:01 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 09:18 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Our peak with 7 years of Jones is a drubbing in the NCAAT following by a collapse\rebuilding year in the lousy C-USA. We can do much better. ODU needs to change it's business model to hiring up and coming young coaches even if that means they only stick around for a couple years. The main benefit of long term tenured coaches is ti supposed to improve recruiting but sure as heck has not been the case with Jones. I fear that Jones consistent mediocre performance is doing lasting harm to ODU's "brand" that will be difficult to reignite.

This is actually a good point that hasn't been raised. I could make an argument that JJ's tenure has done far more damage to the ODU brand than BT's meltdown.

Y'all must be remembering that year that shall not be named (BT meltdown year) the way I do. JJ is NO WAY near doing damage ANY WAY near what Taylor did to us. He was DRUNK on his radio show, DRUNK at a game, basically stopped recruiting the last two years due to, in my opinion, his jealousy of football start up and having BW becoming the school's darling. He was so sure he'd get a bigger job after winning big in the 2011 NCAAs but ended up being out coached in the first round by Butler. That game was the start of the fall off the wagon. He left the cupboard bare and embarrassing video of his drunken coach's show as his legacy. We were the laughing stock of the sports world for a few months. JJ has a whole lot of stuff to do before he is any where near the same damage causer as BT.
And if you asked 100 non ODU fans about BT they would say, who? The status and legitimacy that ODU has lost on the national stage during JJ's tenure is measurable, while BT's meltdown is barely a blip on the sports radar.

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I think you're overstating the "damage" being done by JJ by quite a bit. You can be unhappy about only one conference title and NCAA trip in his tenure, but four 25-win seasons in his first six is hardly damage, unless you're a perennial top 10 program that fell out of the polls. Let's not act as though he took ODU from Gonzaga to VMI.
I mean, he took ODU from Wichita State to William & Mary. Does that count?

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When were we ever Wichita State good? I must have missed it.
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(01-29-2020 09:18 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 02:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  Our peak with 7 years of Jones is a drubbing in the NCAAT following by a collapse\rebuilding year in the lousy C-USA. We can do much better. ODU needs to change it's business model to hiring up and coming young coaches even if that means they only stick around for a couple years. The main benefit of long term tenured coaches is ti supposed to improve recruiting but sure as heck has not been the case with Jones. I fear that Jones consistent mediocre performance is doing lasting harm to ODU's "brand" that will be difficult to reignite.

This is actually a good point that hasn't been raised. I could make an argument that JJ's tenure has done far more damage to the ODU brand than BT's meltdown.

Y'all must be remembering that year that shall not be named (BT meltdown year) the way I do. JJ is NO WAY near doing damage ANY WAY near what Taylor did to us. He was DRUNK on his radio show, DRUNK at a game, basically stopped recruiting the last two years due to, in my opinion, his jealousy of football start up and having BW becoming the school's darling. He was so sure he'd get a bigger job after winning big in the 2011 NCAAs but ended up being out coached in the first round by Butler. That game was the start of the fall off the wagon. He left the cupboard bare and embarrassing video of his drunken coach's show as his legacy. We were the laughing stock of the sports world for a few months. JJ has a whole lot of stuff to do before he is any where near the same damage causer as BT.

He is talking long term damage. When Blaine was fired, we were a high level mid-major that had a bad year due to his meltdown. Now we are irrelevant. And his last 2 years of recruiting, and I agree he quit, still yielded better players than anyone JJ has recruited aside from Caver. He left a better team than JJ has now. The cupboard was not empty. A lot more went into 5-25 than the talent of the players. And there are about 350 coaches that would have been outcoached by Brad Stevens including Shaka and every other coach in route to the championship game that year.
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(01-30-2020 09:17 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  When were we ever Wichita State good? I must have missed it.

Unfortunately never. We had 2 top 50 seasons under BT that were great years (37, 48 in 10-11) but people remember that short stretch way more than the remember the remainder of his career.

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We have never been Butler, Witchita State, Gonzaga good. Would love to get there at some point but not sure how that happens.
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(01-30-2020 11:01 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 09:17 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  When were we ever Wichita State good? I must have missed it.

Unfortunately never. We had 2 top 50 seasons under BT that were great years (37, 48 in 10-11) but people remember that short stretch way more than the remember the remainder of his career.

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We have never been Butler, Witchita State, Gonzaga good. Would love to get there at some point but not sure how that happens.

I was at the game and would argue that for at least one season, ODU was "Butler good".

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(01-30-2020 09:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  And his last 2 years of recruiting, and I agree he quit, still yielded better players than anyone JJ has recruited aside from Caver.

This doesn't really deserve a response but it should be highlighted so everyone can see this wild claim.
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