Well, well, well...

Bolton has a little financial tie to the Ukraine as well...

Quote:The Center for Public Integrity

December 19, 2018 · 12:30 PM EST

An aide to national security adviser John Bolton sought to schedule a meeting for him with Ukrainian billionaire Victor Pinchuk during Bolton’s official trip to Ukraine last August, according to new disclosure filings reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity.

The August meeting ultimately did not take place, and it’s unclear why Bolton’s aide sought it.

But Bolton and Pinchuk have financial ties dating to before Bolton joined the Trump administration: Pinchuk’s foundation had paid Bolton a combined $115,000 for his participation in two panel discussions — one during September 2017 and the other in February 2018, according to Bolton’s federal personal financial disclosure. Both panel discussions took place before President Donald Trump in April appointed Bolton as his national security adviser.

Pinchuk’s father-in-law, Leonid Kuchma, served as president of Ukraine from 1994 until 2005.

Why did Donald Trump’s national security adviser want to meet with a Ukrainian billionaire?

looking for a board appointment like Biden so that he could leave the political eye

(01-29-2020 01:48 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Oops,

The Democrats don't care about the protection of Classified Information. I've heard that they will even run a candidate for President that would place such high level Classified Information on their personal, unprotected, and unauthorized home server which is a felony.

WTF are you babbling about? The manuscript was submitted to the WH by Bolton, a lifelong conservative and republican.

(01-29-2020 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:48 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Oops,

The Democrats don't care about the protection of Classified Information. I've heard that they will even run a candidate for President that would place such high level Classified Information on their personal, unprotected, and unauthorized home server which is a felony.

WTF are you babbling about? The manuscript was submitted to the WH by Bolton, a lifelong conservative and republican.

Seriously Tom?

SUbmitting it for approval is the right thing to do.

The argument being made is that the left wants it published anyway because they think there is something that implicates Trump because an article from someone who clearly would be violating law says it does. The left isn't wanting this submitted to the WH, but to the public.

(01-29-2020 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:48 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Oops,

The Democrats don't care about the protection of Classified Information. I've heard that they will even run a candidate for President that would place such high level Classified Information on their personal, unprotected, and unauthorized home server which is a felony.

WTF are you babbling about? The manuscript was submitted to the WH by Bolton, a lifelong conservative and republican.

Seriously Tom?

SUbmitting it for approval is the right thing to do.

The argument being made is that the left wants it published anyway because they think there is something that implicates Trump because an article from someone who clearly would be violating law says it does. The left isn't wanting this submitted to the WH, but to the public.

Thank You!!!! You beat me to the punch in responding to LeftwingTom's crazed post. He never has been good at connecting the dots, even when you number them for him. It's that TDS thing he's afflicted with that I mentioned earlier.

He's apparently clueless that I was referring to how the DEMOCRATS are all over the news trying to use the "latest revelation" from Bolton's manuscript. I seriously doubt that any Conservative "LEAKED" this information to the newspaper.

Have you not heard that Hillary was the Democrat's candidate for President in 2016 Leftwing? Are you not aware of her felonious actions with the unauthorized home collection of Classified Data belonging to the Federal Government. WTF - can you understand that or is English babbling to you?

(01-29-2020 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:48 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Oops,

The Democrats don't care about the protection of Classified Information. I've heard that they will even run a candidate for President that would place such high level Classified Information on their personal, unprotected, and unauthorized home server which is a felony.

WTF are you babbling about? The manuscript was submitted to the WH by Bolton, a lifelong conservative and republican.

Seriously Tom?

Submitting it for approval is the right thing to do.

The argument being made is that the left wants it published anyway because they think there is something that implicates Trump because an article from someone who clearly would be violating law says it does. The left isn't wanting this submitted to the WH, but to the public.

And where did I say otherwise?

(01-30-2020 09:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:48 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Oops,

The Democrats don't care about the protection of Classified Information. I've heard that they will even run a candidate for President that would place such high level Classified Information on their personal, unprotected, and unauthorized home server which is a felony.

WTF are you babbling about? The manuscript was submitted to the WH by Bolton, a lifelong conservative and republican.

Seriously Tom?

Submitting it for approval is the right thing to do.

The argument being made is that the left wants it published anyway because they think there is something that implicates Trump because an article from someone who clearly would be violating law says it does. The left isn't wanting this submitted to the WH, but to the public.

And where did I say otherwise?

I don't know. Trump supporters like to invent off the wall conspiracies in their heads. (They talk to themselves a lot)

Sigh... I get tired of schooling the willfully ignorant.

Your response, Tom, indicates a clear lack of comprehension of the policy and practice.

According to the letter, Bolton's manuscript has been deemed to contain classified information and thus it would risk a very serious crime for Bolton to let the un-named person who supposedly 'leaked' its contents to the Times read the un-redacted manuscript. This point seems to be the crux of your confusion.

I don't believe that Bolton would be concerned and knowledgeable enough to turn it over to the government for review, and then be foolish enough to let somebody willing to put himself AND BOLTON at risk of criminal charges by letting them sneak a peek. If Bolton wanted this supposed smoking gun on Trump leaked, he similarly would have followed appropriate protocols for his own protection. That's why I said what I said... which you clearly still don't understand. Party has nothing to do with anything. It's someone who knows and follows the laws regarding potentially classified information.

The comment about 'democrats don't care' is because a) they seem willing to leak information before it has been properly (you admit) scrubbed for secrets and b) (not mentioned here) I feel quite certain that there will be some responding to the above by saying, this is just Trump exerting backhanded privilege.... because like you, they don't understand the policies and processes.

If Bolton wanted this leaked, he would have followed procedures. If Bolton showed it to someone who leaked it through improper channels, not only is THAT person a moron, but so too is Bolton for trusting them. While you may disagree with Bolton, there is little to suggest that he doesn't know the rules and wouldn't insist that anyone involved know and follow the rules (especially because he supposedly wrote the damning evidence).

Follow?

(01-30-2020 01:46 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Sigh... I get tired of schooling the willfully ignorant.

Your response, Tom, indicates a clear lack of comprehension of the policy and practice.

According to the letter, Bolton's manuscript has been deemed to contain classified information and thus it would risk a very serious crime for Bolton to let the un-named person who supposedly 'leaked' its contents to the Times read the un-redacted manuscript. This point seems to be the crux of your confusion.

I don't believe that Bolton would be concerned and knowledgeable enough to turn it over to the government for review, and then be foolish enough to let somebody willing to put himself AND BOLTON at risk of criminal charges by letting them sneak a peek. If Bolton wanted this supposed smoking gun on Trump leaked, he similarly would have followed appropriate protocols for his own protection. That's why I said what I said... which you clearly still don't understand. Party has nothing to do with anything. It's someone who knows and follows the laws regarding potentially classified information.

The comment about 'democrats don't care' is because a) they seem willing to leak information before it has been properly (you admit) scrubbed for secrets and b) (not mentioned here) I feel quite certain that there will be some responding to the above by saying, this is just Trump exerting backhanded privilege.... because like you, they don't understand the policies and processes.

If Bolton wanted this leaked, he would have followed procedures. If Bolton showed it to someone who leaked it through improper channels, not only is THAT person a moron, but so too is Bolton for trusting them. While you may disagree with Bolton, there is little to suggest that he doesn't know the rules and wouldn't insist that anyone involved know and follow the rules (especially because he supposedly wrote the damning evidence).

Follow?

In the words of Reagan, there you go again.

I only addressed the part I highlighted to you. And there's nothing in that letter about any leaker!

Your assumption is that the left wants this thing leaked with supposed classified material and all and I've seen no one who's requested that. Of course I'm sure you're willing to trust the government here as it's in your interest to do so, but Bolton is smart enough not to submit a document riddled with classified material. It simply flies in the face of rational thought.

My, and most all of the left that I've seen, only desire is for Bolton to testify. I don't care if his book ever sees the light of day...unless he's donating all the proceeds to charity.

(01-30-2020 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 01:46 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Sigh... I get tired of schooling the willfully ignorant.

Your response, Tom, indicates a clear lack of comprehension of the policy and practice.

According to the letter, Bolton's manuscript has been deemed to contain classified information and thus it would risk a very serious crime for Bolton to let the un-named person who supposedly 'leaked' its contents to the Times read the un-redacted manuscript. This point seems to be the crux of your confusion.

I don't believe that Bolton would be concerned and knowledgeable enough to turn it over to the government for review, and then be foolish enough to let somebody willing to put himself AND BOLTON at risk of criminal charges by letting them sneak a peek. If Bolton wanted this supposed smoking gun on Trump leaked, he similarly would have followed appropriate protocols for his own protection. That's why I said what I said... which you clearly still don't understand. Party has nothing to do with anything. It's someone who knows and follows the laws regarding potentially classified information.

The comment about 'democrats don't care' is because a) they seem willing to leak information before it has been properly (you admit) scrubbed for secrets and b) (not mentioned here) I feel quite certain that there will be some responding to the above by saying, this is just Trump exerting backhanded privilege.... because like you, they don't understand the policies and processes.

If Bolton wanted this leaked, he would have followed procedures. If Bolton showed it to someone who leaked it through improper channels, not only is THAT person a moron, but so too is Bolton for trusting them. While you may disagree with Bolton, there is little to suggest that he doesn't know the rules and wouldn't insist that anyone involved know and follow the rules (especially because he supposedly wrote the damning evidence).

Follow?

In the words of Reagan, there you go again.

I only addressed the part I highlighted to you. And there's nothing in that letter about any leaker!

Your assumption is that the left wants this thing leaked with supposed classified material and all and I've seen no one who's requested that. Of course I'm sure you're willing to trust the government here as it's in your interest to do so, but Bolton is smart enough not to submit a document riddled with classified material. It simply flies in the face of rational thought.

My, and most all of the left that I've seen, only desire is for Bolton to testify. I don't care if his book ever sees the light of day...unless he's donating all the proceeds to charity.

I'll be so glad when this wraps up because then we can arrest and try the co-conspirators to send a message to the people of America that this crap will no longer be tolerated and so we can revisit what it means to be a domestic enemy of the Constitution of the United States. Then under that restating we can go after the seditious wherever they may be and begin again to clean our government jobs of those who would work for an alien agenda.

The worlds a dangerous place and none of us are safe with moles and dupes working for a socialist globalist agenda and its time we rid ourselves of them!

So is the book fiction or is it classified. Trump seems to think that it's both. I don't understand how classified information can be fiction. I know it makes sense in the trumpbot world, which is also fiction.

(01-30-2020 03:56 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  So is the book fiction or is it classified. Trump seems to think that it's both. I don't understand how classified information can be fiction. I know it makes sense in the trumpbot world, which is also fiction.

sigh....

educating another fool

Trump hasn't seen the book either... The REPORT is fiction.... and would make up about 1/3 a page on the book, which contains classified information

(01-30-2020 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  In the words of Reagan, there you go again.

And you as well, ignoring the 'meat' and focusing on the immaterial

Quote:I only addressed the part I highlighted to you. And there's nothing in that letter about any leaker!

Ummmm... We're not talking about the leak and how this letter applies to it. Of course there is nothing about the leaker in the letter. That's not their job.

and the part you highlighted, you've argued a meaningless point.

I never said you didn't know this, I merely made the comment. He did what he should have done... which supports the idea that had he been out to 'get' Trump, he would have known the proper way to do it.... nothing more.

Quote:Your assumption is that the left wants this thing leaked with supposed classified material and all and I've seen no one who's requested that. Of course I'm sure you're willing to trust the government here as it's in your interest to do so, but Bolton is smart enough not to submit a document riddled with classified material. It simply flies in the face of rational thought.

A) not my assumption. The assumption of the person who said it. I just understand his comment.
B) it's not remotely about trust, merely about protocol
C) I don't think Bolton knows every single thing that the government deems classified. Nobody is THAT smart. That's the whole purpose of submitting the document. If he knew it, why would he write it?

It doesn't remotely fly in the face of rational thought that someone like Bolton who understands that his book MAY contain classified material (because he has to submit it to have it certified) would take that seriously. Obviously he didn't think it was classified otherwise he wouldn't have written it... but he surely knew (though his job description and the NDA he signed, plus you know, the fact that he submitted it properly) that it was possible.

Quote:My, and most all of the left that I've seen, only desire is for Bolton to testify. I don't care if his book ever sees the light of day...unless he's donating all the proceeds to charity.

Take your blinders off.

So why didn't the house, controlled by the left, compel that testimony? Why are they asking the Senate, controlled by the right to do so instead?

THAT flies in the face of logic. Seriously, if that were their only desire... they had the means to compel that testimony under their total control.

(01-30-2020 05:25 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Take your blinders off.

It wouldn't do any good with as far up his ass he has his head inserted,