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(01-26-2020 10:08 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 09:58 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 09:55 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 07:57 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 07:40 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Sorry for his family, but I never liked the guy, on and off the court.

You could have probably just not posted anything.

Never stopped you. All I said was I never liked him. Don't like Jordan either.

But I don't think a "great person and family man" pays $10M - figure that I was told - to not go to jail for sexually assaulting a teenager. But I guess you are one of those people who idolize folks because they are good at sports.

Guy was an extremely selfish player, too. He never associated with teammates on the road.

Just stop. Do you have to make yourself such an unlikable person? This is something you control.

Me unlikeable? Did you read the link? You guys need to be edicated.

I have never cheated on my wife.

Wife filed for divorce because he had over 100 affairs! 100!

https://www.businessinsider.com/kobe-bry...rs-2011-12

Kobe, like most human beings had some flaws and some sins to confess. Honestly, at this point in time it is none of my business. From what I had read, is that he had really changed his ways and rediscovered his Catholoc faith. Good for him, and I hope for his sake he was right with the Lord before he met him. RIP and I am praying for him and the other 8 lives that were lost.

...I just don't get the a-hole tone some people have to bring to every topic, no matter the subject. But it is a free society, and I suppose everyone will react in their own way.

Check out my original post. Pretty benign.

I guess it is the world we live in that people can't have other opinions - especially if they are fact based.

There is a time and a place. Maybe a thread about a tragic, untimely death where his family also lost his daughter isn't the time and place to hear what rommel doesn't like about Kobe.

(01-26-2020 10:08 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 09:58 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 09:55 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 07:57 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 07:40 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Sorry for his family, but I never liked the guy, on and off the court.

You could have probably just not posted anything.

Never stopped you. All I said was I never liked him. Don't like Jordan either.

But I don't think a "great person and family man" pays $10M - figure that I was told - to not go to jail for sexually assaulting a teenager. But I guess you are one of those people who idolize folks because they are good at sports.

Guy was an extremely selfish player, too. He never associated with teammates on the road.

Just stop. Do you have to make yourself such an unlikable person? This is something you control.

Me unlikeable? Did you read the link? You guys need to be edicated.

I have never cheated on my wife.

Wife filed for divorce because he had over 100 affairs! 100!

https://www.businessinsider.com/kobe-bry...rs-2011-12

I am guessing it is a bit easier for you. Young, rich and famous and a top tier athlete who has some of the most gorgeous women in the world constantly hitting on him every day, or a guy from like Anderson who has a random 50+ year old 6 Chardonnay deep make a drunken pass at him and his beer gut once a year. Good willpower buddy.

Most women who marry high profile pro athletes know what they are getting into, and a monogamous relationship isn't exactly a requirement.

Look, I sympathize with the notion that we shouldn't just ignore Kobe's Colorado incident just because he's dead and was really good at basketball. Too often female victims fall into obscurity while their male aggressors are revered and remembered long after. Yet, Kobe was interesting to us because we truly did watch his entire maturation in real time. He was 17! when he came into the league and we saw it all unfold. There's really no pussyfooting around it; Kobe almost certainly did something wrong in Colorado and it's not our place to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't as bad as the victim claimed. But we also have the freedom to not assume the worst, either. We should be careful never to let the victim's memory go forgotten.

Kobe stayed in the spotlight long after that. He won more championships, he started a beautiful family, he solidi fed his legacy NOT as a top 5, or even top 10, player of all time, but as one of the NBA's biggest cultural icons. The bridge from Jordan to Lebron. The mamba mentality. And every kid my age yelling "Kobe!" when shooting paper into the trash or launching fade aways on the court. He had a reputation as somewhat of an ******* early on. Later in his career, he seemed to embrace life after basketball and many around the league revered him for 1. solidifying the value of unapologetic, make no friends, win at all costs workmanship along the way 2. Finally acknowledging that life perpetuates long after basketball ends, and that his legacy could just as easily be defined by his family, his daughter's basketball team, his media sponsorships, his oscar, and so on...

In the final few weeks Kobe was in the headlines quite a bit. He recently claimed that 3 WNBA players could play in the NBA. He was graceful when Lebron passed him on the scoring list. And there was a meme circulating online of Kobe sitting courtisde with his daughter Gianna and having a heartwarming discussion about basketball.

It's tragic, yet terribly fitting that he died with one of the people he loved most (Gianna), on his way to do one of the things that he loved most (coach basketball). Even if you can never forgive Kobe for what happened in Colorado you can muster the sympathy to feel sorry for his 13-year old daughter and the other 7 people who died in the crash. For the rest of us, and myself included, I think it's fair to remember how Kobe evolved over the last 15 years and judge everything in context of the family and life he had only just begun.

This isn't a plea to forgive sexual abusers or erase the legacy of victims. And it's not an argument as to why Kobe should be forgiven. It's simply acknowledging that life is far too complex to condense into a single lesson. Yesterday was a tough day for a lot of people, so yes, the whole edgy "I never liked him" s*** could have probably waited for awhile.

Look this is a terrible game to be playing but the charges against him were dropped. He made a settlement which is not an admission of guilt, it's more often than not the smart thing to do regardless of whether there was criminal wrongdoing. Kobe admitted the affair.

I'm not saying he didn't do it or he did. Only one living person truly knows.

What I do know is that it is the only time he was ever mentioned in legal trouble. Afterwards his wife remained with him and continued to grow their family over the next 15 years including a newborn child just last year. To me the fact that his wife accepted him back even though she was the second most negatively affected person by the incident means something to me. But if you chose to paint all people who were suspected but not convicted of crimes as guilty that's your decision.

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Not sure if that was directed at me, but that's not really what I was trying to convey...

Judging from the reaction from around the world including the former and current POTUS, I'd say he positively impacted those around him more than negatively. It's a tragic loss because 9 people are gone in an instant including 3 young teens. Several families are destroyed for the time being. Let's not lose sight of this. There's the sports side of things, and there's life. Kobe seemed to be enjoying life after basketball becoming an ambassador of sorts and he seemed to embrace his role as a husband and father. Most of us can relate to that more than anything else.

(01-27-2020 12:02 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Not sure if that was directed at me, but that's not really what I was trying to convey...

It was more of a general response than a direct response to you but I definitely agree to your final point that people bringing this back up could have waited.

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(01-27-2020 11:40 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Look, I sympathize with the notion that we shouldn't just ignore Kobe's Colorado incident just because he's dead and was really good at basketball. Too often female victims fall into obscurity while their male aggressors are revered and remembered long after. Yet, Kobe was interesting to us because we truly did watch his entire maturation in real time. He was 17! when he came into the league and we saw it all unfold. There's really no pussyfooting around it; Kobe almost certainly did something wrong in Colorado and it's not our place to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't as bad as the victim claimed. But we also have the freedom to not assume the worst, either. We should be careful never to let the victim's memory go forgotten.

Kobe stayed in the spotlight long after that. He won more championships, he started a beautiful family, he solidi fed his legacy NOT as a top 5, or even top 10, player of all time, but as one of the NBA's biggest cultural icons. The bridge from Jordan to Lebron. The mamba mentality. And every kid my age yelling "Kobe!" when shooting paper into the trash or launching fade aways on the court. He had a reputation as somewhat of an ******* early on. Later in his career, he seemed to embrace life after basketball and many around the league revered him for 1. solidifying the value of unapologetic, make no friends, win at all costs workmanship along the way 2. Finally acknowledging that life perpetuates long after basketball ends, and that his legacy could just as easily be defined by his family, his daughter's basketball team, his media sponsorships, his oscar, and so on...

In the final few weeks Kobe was in the headlines quite a bit. He recently claimed that 3 WNBA players could play in the NBA. He was graceful when Lebron passed him on the scoring list. And there was a meme circulating online of Kobe sitting courtisde with his daughter Gianna and having a heartwarming discussion about basketball.

It's tragic, yet terribly fitting that he died with one of the people he loved most (Gianna), on his way to do one of the things that he loved most (coach basketball). Even if you can never forgive Kobe for what happened in Colorado you can muster the sympathy to feel sorry for his 13-year old daughter and the other 7 people who died in the crash. For the rest of us, and myself included, I think it's fair to remember how Kobe evolved over the last 15 years and judge everything in context of the family and life he had only just begun.

This isn't a plea to forgive sexual abusers or erase the legacy of victims. And it's not an argument as to why Kobe should be forgiven. It's simply acknowledging that life is far too complex to condense into a single lesson. Yesterday was a tough day for a lot of people, so yes, the whole edgy "I never liked him" s*** could have probably waited for awhile.

Very nicely said.

(01-27-2020 05:12 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:08 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 09:58 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 09:55 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 07:57 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You could have probably just not posted anything.

Never stopped you. All I said was I never liked him. Don't like Jordan either.

But I don't think a "great person and family man" pays $10M - figure that I was told - to not go to jail for sexually assaulting a teenager. But I guess you are one of those people who idolize folks because they are good at sports.

Guy was an extremely selfish player, too. He never associated with teammates on the road.

Just stop. Do you have to make yourself such an unlikable person? This is something you control.

Me unlikeable? Did you read the link? You guys need to be edicated.

I have never cheated on my wife.

Wife filed for divorce because he had over 100 affairs! 100!

https://www.businessinsider.com/kobe-bry...rs-2011-12

Kobe, like most human beings had some flaws and some sins to confess. Honestly, at this point in time it is none of my business. From what I had read, is that he had really changed his ways and rediscovered his Catholoc faith. Good for him, and I hope for his sake he was right with the Lord before he met him. RIP and I am praying for him and the other 8 lives that were lost.

...I just don't get the a-hole tone some people have to bring to every topic, no matter the subject. But it is a free society, and I suppose everyone will react in their own way.

My current parish priest actually gave a homily about Kobe about 2 months ago. After mass, I asked him why. He said that his good friend is the priest at Kobe's parish, and that Kobe spent a lot of time talking to his friend after the Colorado incident. Since then, Kobe has gone to mass every single week.

I think Kobe is a shining example that people CAN change for the better. It usually takes deep soul-searching and a personal CHOICE to commit their lives to a higher purpose outside themselves (in Kobe's case it was a humble commitment to God that he rarely even talked about).

Never knew he was Catholic; not making a judgement about it just an observation that I don't see many African-American Catholics; at least here in Cincinnati.

(01-27-2020 03:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Never knew he was Catholic; not making a judgement about it just an observation that I don't see many African-American Catholics; at least here in Cincinnati.

You're right, statistically speaking it's pretty rare. Other than in Louisiana, most African Americans who go to church are protestant.

St. Joe's in the West End is about 80% black. Very vibrant parish. You should go sometime; it's an experience.

Also a lot of African and Caribbean immigrants are Catholic. There's a lot at my current church - some of the Africans really stand out because they wear very colorful formal robes to Mass.

He grew up in Italy. A Catholic dominated country.

(01-27-2020 03:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 03:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Never knew he was Catholic; not making a judgement about it just an observation that I don't see many African-American Catholics; at least here in Cincinnati.

You're right, statistically speaking it's pretty rare. Other than in Louisiana, most African Americans who go to church are protestant.

St. Joe's in the West End is about 80% black. Very vibrant parish. You should go sometime; it's an experience.

Also a lot of African and Caribbean immigrants are Catholic. There's a lot at my current church - some of the Africans really stand out because they wear very colorful formal robes to Mass.

My priest from my Church is from Nigeria, but not exactly the same thing. Kobe has a little different background with his time in Italy.

Read this evening that Kobe and Gigi had gone to 7 am. Mass before they got on the helicopter. The pastor of his Church said Kobe and his family often came to the early morning Mass before their busy days.

Sucks. Legend. Led the 96 draft class filled w/ superstars. Still have his jersey and 4 pairs of Kobes. So consistent, damn.

RIP

(01-27-2020 09:07 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Read this evening that Kobe and Gigi had gone to 7 am. Mass before they got on the helicopter. The pastor of his Church said Kobe and his family often came to the early morning Mass before their busy days.

I'm not sure if this is the article or not, but it's worth checking out if you are interested in Kobe and his Catholic faith.

EXCLUSIVE: Kobe Bryant and daughter Gigi attended Catholic mass in Newport Beach early Sunday morning and received Communion just hours before they both died in tragic crash

My condolences to the families and friends of all those taken in the accident.

I've come across several interesting motivational type videos featuring Kobe the last 2 days. Maybe I'll link up one or two of the top ones if I get some time. But for those just looking for the basketball: