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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

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No. I doubt they are. If thats what they want, then why close down the city? There are around 1.4 billion people in China. lol....Thinning the herd by 1300 people is pretty weak effort at population culling. That said, if I put my tin foil hat on---releasing it in Hong Kong sure would shut down the long running protests and give the government a chance to re-establish full control. I can kinda see them designing a bug that can be used to put a population on voluntary lock down. That makes more sense to me than the idea its a bio-weapon built to reduce population.
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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

[Image: dr-evil-right.gif]
This coming from someone posting fake videos of Chinese people dropping dead all over the place like it is a killer mist in a bad apocalyptic horror film. Yep, you're the stable genius poster of the group.

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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 08:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

[Image: dr-evil-right.gif]
This coming from someone posting fake videos of Chinese people dropping dead all over the place like it is a killer mist in a bad apocalyptic horror film. Yep, you're the stable genius poster of the group.

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I believe the videos more than I believe the Chinese developed this virus to reduce their own population. Your theory is nuts.
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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 09:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 08:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

[Image: dr-evil-right.gif]
This coming from someone posting fake videos of Chinese people dropping dead all over the place like it is a killer mist in a bad apocalyptic horror film. Yep, you're the stable genius poster of the group.

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I believe the videos more than I believe the Chinese developed this virus to reduce their own population. Your theory is nuts.

Yeah, it's not like nature isn't out to kill us. Live long enough and your skin and internal organs start to break down due to certain types of solar radiation, which also causes the aging processes we go through. Get enough of us together in cramped conditions and viruses mutate become virulent and take their toll. Nature finds a way and that's as sinister as this is. The open wet meat markets just gives nature a boost. If people here developed a taste for Armadillo we'd have such mutations as they are filthy critters with regards to bacteria they carry and I'm sure some viruses as well.

We do a lot of things right, but if another Spanish type influenza breaks out the planet could lose 100's of millions. People forget but the armistice signed by Germany to end WWI was largely induced by more than a decimation of their solider aged populace by the Spanish Flu which also took out equally horrible numbers from the allied side as well.

The only things here that are certain are truly taxes and death.
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(02-15-2020 12:41 AM)q5sys Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/co...index.html

The fact it might be around for a long time doesnt concern me all that much. Im not worried much about next season and I have virtually no concern in the years following 2021. I think by next year we will have a vaccination program up and running. Certainly beyond 2021----we likely have a large robust mature fully capable vaccine program in place that can protect the US and most of the world. Its this years surprise attack thats the real concern. We cant really have a vaccine ready and available in big numbers in time to do much should a major world wide outbreak occur NOW. Thats why stopping from spreading into the general world wide population is our only real line of defense this year. The only thing that might be a concern is mutations that we arent expecting that negate the vaccine.
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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-15-2020 12:41 AM)q5sys Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/co...index.html
Quote:Regarding the travel restrictions on foreign nationals, Gupta asked, "Obviously, Dr. Redfield, the virus doesn't discriminate based on race. Why do we?"

Are these supposedly intelligent individuals really this stupid as to think this is a race thing? What good does it do for this guy to pretty much accuse the US of being racist? Last I checked nationality is not equitable to race.



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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
New anti-viral drug treatments seem to be promising.

This is a nice article.

Wuhan Coronavirus—WUWT Update

Quote:Updated WUWT conclusions

Is Wuhan a serious public health concern? Yes.

Is Wuhan a serious pandemic threat? Not yet.

If containment mainly to China via travel restrictions and 14-day quarantine can be enforced, it is probably not a pandemic threat ever to North America or Western Europe or Australia. Africa and Southeast Asia outside China, Japan, and Singapore need careful watching. And as with 2009 Swine flu, South America will be hit or miss.

Is 14-day quarantine effective? Yes.

Is a vaccine on the horizon? No.

Is a drug therapy on the horizon? Yes.
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Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."
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(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...
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(02-16-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...

Oh yea... I must have missed the yearly 10% planetary population quarantine we have ever year.

The Flu has a 0.1% death rate among the population
COVID19 is trending towards 20% death rate.
Even if we take the lowest estimate that's been given of 2% ... that's still 20 times more deadly than the flu.

So 20 times more deadly = not as bad?
Got it.
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(02-16-2020 02:04 PM)q5sys Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...

Oh yea... I must have missed the yearly 10% planetary population quarantine we have ever year.

The Flu has a 0.1% death rate among the population
COVID19 is trending towards 20% death rate.
Even if we take the lowest estimate that's been given of 2% ... that's still 20 times more deadly than the flu.

So 20 times more deadly = not as bad?
Got it.

How many people got Coronavirus that never knew that's what they had and got over it?
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(02-16-2020 02:04 PM)q5sys Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...

Oh yea... I must have missed the yearly 10% planetary population quarantine we have ever year.

The Flu has a 0.1% death rate among the population
COVID19 is trending towards 20% death rate.
Even if we take the lowest estimate that's been given of 2% ... that's still 20 times more deadly than the flu.

So 20 times more deadly = not as bad?
Got it.

The death to infections ratio at this point understates mortality. It says the coronovirus its at 2% mortality. The deaths to recoveries ratio tends to overstate mortality rate at this point in time because it takes fewer days to die from a virus than it takes to fully recover. It indicates the coronavirus has a mortality rate of around 20%. My guess is the mortality rate is probably around the mid point of these two indications---likely around 10%....which is about the same as the Spanish Flu. Maybe a little less with excellent care---maybe a little more with an overwhelmed heathcare system that cant provide good care. Those with underlying preexisting health issues are probably in the most danger.
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A good tracker site for the virus by country.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Here is an interesting piece on Coronavirus mortality rates. It seems people are starting to get wise to the deaths-to-infections calculation not being valid while a outbreak is underway.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru...e/#correct
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(02-16-2020 10:14 PM)banker Wrote:  A good tracker site for the virus by country.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Other good links:
https://maphub.net/Fuuuuuuu/map

https://ncov.r6.no

https://ncov.io

Currently under maintenance but when running updates ever 10 min
https://ncov2019.live/data
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Quote:Dr. Liu Zhiming, a neurologist and director of Wuchang Hospital in the troubled city of Wuhan, China, was reportedly killed by the coronavirus on Tuesday.

Liu is the highest-ranking Chinese medical official to be killed by the virus so far. At least six other health care workers have died from the disease and over 1,700 have taken ill.

Liu was 51 years old and in good health, so he joins the late whistleblower Dr. Li Wenliang as evidence the coronavirus does not kill only the elderly and those with severe pre-existing conditions. Li Wenliang was only 34 years old when the virus killed him two weeks ago.

As with Dr. Li, the Chinese Communist Party scrambled to control the political fallout from Dr. Liu’s death, delaying public acknowledgment, leading to what the Epoch Times described as “confusion” about Liu’s condition:

The director and party secretary of the publicity center within the Health Commission of Hubei first reported that Liu had died around 10:00 p.m. local time on Feb. 17 through Weibo, a popular Twitter-like Chinese social media platform.

In the post, which was subsequently deleted, he described Liu as the first hospital director to have “sacrificed” his life to fight the virus and expressed “profound condolences.”

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Confusion arose just hours after the party secretary’s Weibo post after Liu’s wife reportedly told Pear Video, a leading Chinese short video platform, that he was in critical condition and was relying on an ECMO machine (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation) to support his breathing. She added that his illness had lingered for over 20 days. Liu was transferred to Wuhan Tongji Hospital on Feb. 14 and has been under intubation since, she said.

The voice in the video was electronically altered. The Epoch Times is unable to independently verify the video’s authenticity. A staff member from the hospital confirmed that “he was being treated,” but did not provide more information. Another hospital employee said they were not aware of the issue beyond the online discussions.

China Daily and several other state run media had also run reports on Liu death, but subsequently deleted their articles and social media posts, in a fashion reminiscent of the death of Wuhan doctor and whistleblower Li Wenliang less than two weeks ago.

Once this “confusion” was resolved, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission announced that Liu “passed away at 10:54 Tuesday morning at the age of 51 after all-out efforts to save him failed.”

“From the start of the outbreak, Comrade Liu Zhiming, without regard to his personal safety, led the medical staff of Wuchang Hospital at the front lines of the fight against the epidemic,” the commission said, crediting Liu with making “significant contributions” to Wuhan’s fight against the disease.

Wuchang Hospital is one of seven major facilities designated for the treatment of coronavirus patients in Wuhan. Dr. Liu was a leading neurologist at the hospital.

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Quote:Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) ripped establishment U.S. media outlets who have mischaracterized his comments on the origins of the coronavirus outbreak plaguing China and the world during an exclusive interview with Breitbart News this week.

Cotton, who this past weekend during an appearance on Maria Bartiromo’s Fox News Channel program Sunday Morning Futures laid out how Communist China has not been honest about the origins of the coronavirus, has been the subject of vicious attacks from establishment media in the U.S. as a result.

In particular, during the Bartiromo interview, Cotton specifically said there is not evidence to suggest that the coronavirus originated in a high-security biochemical lab the Chinese Communist Party government operates in Wuhan. But since the government’s original official story about the virus’s origin is collapsing under scrutiny, the senator argued that the question needs to be asked—and that that theory, along with several other more plausible virus origin theories than the Communists’ original and likely false claim that the virus originated in a food market, need to be pursued. Cotton argued that the Communists must allow internationally renowned independent western experts into China to investigate the matter.

“We don’t have evidence that this disease originated there but because of China’s duplicity and dishonesty from the beginning, we need to at least ask the question to see what the evidence says, and China right now is not giving evidence on that question at all,” Cotton said in the Bartiromo interview.





Cotton has been aggressive in his criticism of Communist China on coronavirus, as he was in the Fox News interview and in this exclusive interview with Breitbart News. He was also the first U.S. senator to call for President Donald Trump’s administration to extend a temporary travel ban to China in order to protect Americans from the disease—which he did in another Breitbart News exclusive a few weeks ago.

In his interview with Breitbart News on Monday, Cotton—who is also launching a new effort to back conservative Republican veterans for Congress—called on China to allow western experts into Wuhan province in China to investigate coronavirus and its origins.

“Of course the Chinese Communist Party needs to be open and transparent, and they have not been from the beginning as they still refuse to be,” Cotton said. “Just in the past couple days, they released a so-called secret speech from Chairman Xi that he supposedly gave in early January to demonstrate how on top of matters he was blaming the local officials—an endemic problem to communist government. It was like a parody of historical revisionism, like old-school Marxist Leninists. What the Chinese Communist Party needs to do is open up to internationally recognized experts—not Iranian experts or even Russian ones, but European and American and Canadian and Japanese—where there’s no question of their credentials or their integrity and allow them into Wuhan, allow them into the food market, and allow them into the super laboratory in Wuhan so they can figure out exactly where this virus came from and we can glean lessons from that to develop effective diagnostic testing and vaccines.”

But perhaps more importantly than that, Cotton laid out how the establishment media—much of which has accused him of spreading conspiracy theories about the coronavirus—is “spouting” Chinese Communist Party propaganda.

“The second point you make though is about the media, and this is yet again a gross form of mainstream media bias—they are spouting the party line, and in this case it is the Communist Party line,” Cotton told Breitbart News. “They are doing everything they can to be apologists for the Chinese Communist Party when in fact it is in the Communist Party system of government that has inflicted this outbreak upon the world—and most importantly upon their own people. The Chinese people, after all, are the first and worst victims of the Communist Party government in China. It’s time the media start directing these questions not at skeptics in Washington, but begin directing their skepticism towards Chinese apparatchiks in Beijing.”

For instance, after the Fox News interview with Bartiromo, the Washington Post’s Paulina Firozi wrote a piece that in the headline says Cotton “keeps repeating a coronavirus conspiracy theory that was already debunked.”

The Post piece, however, just quotes a few experts disagreeing with Cotton on his questioning of the matter and does not even address the Communist Party of China’s likely false claims that the virus originated in a food market. In response to that story, Cotton sent out a tweet-storm further explaining his questions about the virus origins:

But, then, the New York Times published its own piece claiming that Cotton was repeating a “fringe theory” about the “origin” of coronavirus. In it, the newspaper takes the Communists in China at their word about the origins of the virus—not questioning the false claims it originated in a food market. “The Chinese authorities say the outbreak began in a market in Wuhan where wild animals were sold,” the New York Times’ Alexandra Stevenson wrote.

Throughout the article, Stevenson repeatedly frames Cotton’s questioning of the Communist government in Beijing using words and phrases like “rumor” or “conspiracy theory” or “lacks evidence” or “has been dismissed by scientists” to describe what the senator was saying—while offering no such criticism whatsoever of the Communist Party line.

Cotton hit back at Stevenson in a separate tweet:

In his Breitbart News exclusive interview this week, the senator made clear though that it is unsurprising to see establishment U.S. media outlets like the Washington Post and New York Times—among the many others attacking him this week—defending the Communist Party.

“For years and years and years, China has engaged in a concerted effort to court western media,” Cotton told Breitbart News. “China has been paying millions of dollars to the New York Times and Washington Post to run their propaganda sections. And of course, there’s always the romance between left-wing reporters and left-wing government, of which communism is the best example, so there’s a lot of reasons why the media reflexively defends China, but they have to stop it and they have to hold Beijing to account for the good of the entire world.”

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(02-13-2020 09:12 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I mentioned this in another thread (I think), but I am watching the cruise ship docked in Japan with dozens of confirmed cases on board (may be 100 or so). No deaths so far.


https://apnews.com/ff4f6baa1b49f96dc15c236b5b467369

update....218 on the ship have been confirmed to have the virus. No deaths.

And now there are 2 confirmed deaths from this group. Both in their 80's.

https://apnews.com/4030470d394aec0c982acb55744b1648

The number of confirmed cases from the ship are at 634.
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(02-20-2020 11:53 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 09:12 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I mentioned this in another thread (I think), but I am watching the cruise ship docked in Japan with dozens of confirmed cases on board (may be 100 or so). No deaths so far.


https://apnews.com/ff4f6baa1b49f96dc15c236b5b467369

update....218 on the ship have been confirmed to have the virus. No deaths.

And now there are 2 confirmed deaths from this group. Both in their 80's.

https://apnews.com/4030470d394aec0c982acb55744b1648

The number of confirmed cases from the ship are at 634.

Hard to tell where we are with this group. It seems it takes about 10-20 days to die from the illness---and longer to reach complete recovery. Still, this should represent enough cases to get a decent feel for what we are dealing with. The one variable that is not present in this sample is the patients are not being treated by an overwhelmed heath care system (which is what we would have in a scenario where this very contagious virus were to enter the general world wide population). Furthermore---I wonder how bad it might get in hospitals where you have tons of people who are compromised with unrelated health conditions (surgeries, diabetes, cancer, trauma, etc) who then get infected during their stay inside a hospital overflowing with high contagious coronavirus patients. That may be part of what is running up the death count in China and may be why China is building special single purpose "coronovirus" hospitals.
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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
Quick Update at 7pm 02/22/20---

Now at 78,675 total infections
53,049 are still active of which 41,496 are "mild" and 11,533 are "serious or critical".

23,166 have recovered

2,460 have died from the infection.

Looks like the floor mortality rate (deaths divided by current total infections) is 3%

The likely ceiling for the mortality rate (deaths divided by current total recoveries) is 10.6%.

I think its reasonable to assume the actual final mortality rate for the coronovirus will lie somewhere above 3% and below 11%. As we get more cases closed---these indicators the mortality ceiling and the mortality floor are moving closer together.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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