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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
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(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

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No. I doubt they are. If thats what they want, then why close down the city? There are around 1.4 billion people in China. lol....Thinning the herd by 1300 people is pretty weak effort at population culling. That said, if I put my tin foil hat on---releasing it in Hong Kong sure would shut down the long running protests and give the government a chance to re-establish full control. I can kinda see them designing a bug that can be used to put a population on voluntary lock down. That makes more sense to me than the idea its a bio-weapon built to reduce population.
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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

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This coming from someone posting fake videos of Chinese people dropping dead all over the place like it is a killer mist in a bad apocalyptic horror film. Yep, you're the stable genius poster of the group.

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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 08:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

[Image: dr-evil-right.gif]
This coming from someone posting fake videos of Chinese people dropping dead all over the place like it is a killer mist in a bad apocalyptic horror film. Yep, you're the stable genius poster of the group.

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I believe the videos more than I believe the Chinese developed this virus to reduce their own population. Your theory is nuts.
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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
(02-13-2020 09:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 08:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 02:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-13-2020 12:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The fact that Jina is going nuts in terms of quarantine and deaths compared to all of the other countries tells me that something is going on. Is it (A) piss poor healthcare or (B) something more nefarious?

Im guessing its mostly overwhelmed healthcare system and people arriving too late to help (and/or getting piss poor care when they do seek help). The truth is healthcare systems dont have a lot of extra capacity. In any large scale breakdown--the quality of health care provided by an overwhelmed system is probably going to degrade very quickly---even in west

so you are telling us that the Chinese are not executing their own people with a virus designed to eradicate "Asians only"?

[Image: dr-evil-right.gif]
This coming from someone posting fake videos of Chinese people dropping dead all over the place like it is a killer mist in a bad apocalyptic horror film. Yep, you're the stable genius poster of the group.

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I believe the videos more than I believe the Chinese developed this virus to reduce their own population. Your theory is nuts.

Yeah, it's not like nature isn't out to kill us. Live long enough and your skin and internal organs start to break down due to certain types of solar radiation, which also causes the aging processes we go through. Get enough of us together in cramped conditions and viruses mutate become virulent and take their toll. Nature finds a way and that's as sinister as this is. The open wet meat markets just gives nature a boost. If people here developed a taste for Armadillo we'd have such mutations as they are filthy critters with regards to bacteria they carry and I'm sure some viruses as well.

We do a lot of things right, but if another Spanish type influenza breaks out the planet could lose 100's of millions. People forget but the armistice signed by Germany to end WWI was largely induced by more than a decimation of their solider aged populace by the Spanish Flu which also took out equally horrible numbers from the allied side as well.

The only things here that are certain are truly taxes and death.
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(02-15-2020 12:41 AM)q5sys Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/co...index.html

The fact it might be around for a long time doesnt concern me all that much. Im not worried much about next season and I have virtually no concern in the years following 2021. I think by next year we will have a vaccination program up and running. Certainly beyond 2021----we likely have a large robust mature fully capable vaccine program in place that can protect the US and most of the world. Its this years surprise attack thats the real concern. We cant really have a vaccine ready and available in big numbers in time to do much should a major world wide outbreak occur NOW. Thats why stopping from spreading into the general world wide population is our only real line of defense this year. The only thing that might be a concern is mutations that we arent expecting that negate the vaccine.
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(02-15-2020 12:41 AM)q5sys Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/co...index.html
Quote:Regarding the travel restrictions on foreign nationals, Gupta asked, "Obviously, Dr. Redfield, the virus doesn't discriminate based on race. Why do we?"

Are these supposedly intelligent individuals really this stupid as to think this is a race thing? What good does it do for this guy to pretty much accuse the US of being racist? Last I checked nationality is not equitable to race.



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New anti-viral drug treatments seem to be promising.

This is a nice article.

Wuhan Coronavirus—WUWT Update

Quote:Updated WUWT conclusions

Is Wuhan a serious public health concern? Yes.

Is Wuhan a serious pandemic threat? Not yet.

If containment mainly to China via travel restrictions and 14-day quarantine can be enforced, it is probably not a pandemic threat ever to North America or Western Europe or Australia. Africa and Southeast Asia outside China, Japan, and Singapore need careful watching. And as with 2009 Swine flu, South America will be hit or miss.

Is 14-day quarantine effective? Yes.

Is a vaccine on the horizon? No.

Is a drug therapy on the horizon? Yes.
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Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."
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(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...
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(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...

Oh yea... I must have missed the yearly 10% planetary population quarantine we have ever year.

The Flu has a 0.1% death rate among the population
COVID19 is trending towards 20% death rate.
Even if we take the lowest estimate that's been given of 2% ... that's still 20 times more deadly than the flu.

So 20 times more deadly = not as bad?
Got it.
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(Yesterday 02:04 PM)q5sys Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...

Oh yea... I must have missed the yearly 10% planetary population quarantine we have ever year.

The Flu has a 0.1% death rate among the population
COVID19 is trending towards 20% death rate.
Even if we take the lowest estimate that's been given of 2% ... that's still 20 times more deadly than the flu.

So 20 times more deadly = not as bad?
Got it.

How many people got Coronavirus that never knew that's what they had and got over it?
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(Yesterday 02:04 PM)q5sys Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:45 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Per figures from NYT... we're around 10% of the planet's population in quarantine due to COVID-19.
Quote:Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities.
Source: http://archive.is/17Lvo

Meanwhile people keep claiming... "It's not as bad as the Flu."

that's because it's not...

Oh yea... I must have missed the yearly 10% planetary population quarantine we have ever year.

The Flu has a 0.1% death rate among the population
COVID19 is trending towards 20% death rate.
Even if we take the lowest estimate that's been given of 2% ... that's still 20 times more deadly than the flu.

So 20 times more deadly = not as bad?
Got it.

The death to infections ratio at this point understates mortality. It says the coronovirus its at 2% mortality. The deaths to recoveries ratio tends to overstate mortality rate at this point in time because it takes fewer days to die from a virus than it takes to fully recover. It indicates the coronavirus has a mortality rate of around 20%. My guess is the mortality rate is probably around the mid point of these two indications---likely around 10%....which is about the same as the Spanish Flu. Maybe a little less with excellent care---maybe a little more with an overwhelmed heathcare system that cant provide good care. Those with underlying preexisting health issues are probably in the most danger.
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A good tracker site for the virus by country.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Here is an interesting piece on Coronavirus mortality rates. It seems people are starting to get wise to the deaths-to-infections calculation not being valid while a outbreak is underway.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru...e/#correct
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(Yesterday 10:14 PM)banker Wrote:  A good tracker site for the virus by country.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Other good links:
https://maphub.net/Fuuuuuuu/map

https://ncov.r6.no

https://ncov.io

Currently under maintenance but when running updates ever 10 min
https://ncov2019.live/data
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