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RE: Dems Open the Door
Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even those they are at the center of the Impeachment.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even those they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even those they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
So its a conspiracy theory that the Vice President's son got a cushy job that he was not qualified for with a corrupt gas company in Ukraine? That did not happen? This is pretty much all they need Tom... regardless of wrongdoing. The stink on this will not go away and you know it.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even though they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
Wow!! You make yourself out to be the smartest person in the room. I'm not talking about the Senators, of course. I am talking about the "President's Team" getting the information to the PUBLIC . You know, the people that matter that are not paying attention to the marathon speeches that are taking place. The President's attorneys are using everything the Prosecution says against them. The prosecution brings up something that doesn't help their case, and the Defense highlights it to the public.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 11:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even those they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
So its a conspiracy theory that the Vice President's son got a cushy job that he was not qualified for with a corrupt gas company in Ukraine? That did not happen? This is pretty much all they need Tom... regardless of wrongdoing. The stink on this will not go away and you know it.
Never said that. We all know why Burisma hired him. But that in no way means Joe had anything to do with it or that Hunter was able to use his father for any favors on behalf of Burisma. There's simply no credible evidence of that seen to date. If there is, show it and fry them. But that should be done by our IC, not a hack like rudy.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 11:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even though they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
Wow!! You make yourself out to be the smartest person in the room. I'm not talking about the Senators, of course. I am talking about the "President's Team" getting the information to the PUBLIC . You know, the people that matter that are not paying attention to the marathon speeches that are taking place. The President's attorneys are using everything the Prosecution says against them. The prosecution brings up something that doesn't help their case, and the Defense highlights it to the public.
But you're missing the point. This is not a usual trial, nothing the house managers did "allowed" trump's team to bring it up. They are free to do so regardless. The house managers just made the calculation that the white house lawyers would bring it up...and it makes sense because in all actuality, trump has no defense. If he had one, we would have seen it by now with public comments and or documents from folks like Bolton.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even though they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
Wow!! You make yourself out to be the smartest person in the room. I'm not talking about the Senators, of course. I am talking about the "President's Team" getting the information to the PUBLIC . You know, the people that matter that are not paying attention to the marathon speeches that are taking place. The President's attorneys are using everything the Prosecution says against them. The prosecution brings up something that doesn't help their case, and the Defense highlights it to the public.
But you're missing the point. This is not a usual trial, nothing the house managers did "allowed" trump's team to bring it up. They are free to do so regardless. The house managers just made the calculation that the white house lawyers would bring it up...and it makes sense because in all actuality, trump has no defense. If he had one, we would have seen it by now with public comments and or documents from folks like Bolton.
You are the only one talking about a trial. Trump's attorneys were on all of the nightly news shows last night talking about how the House Managers(Prosecutors) were talking about how having Joe Biden's son on the board of a corrupt Gas Company in the Ukraine was "no big deal". Alot of Democrat voters have no idea Biden's son was getting paid to be on a Ukrainian board.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even though they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
Wow!! You make yourself out to be the smartest person in the room. I'm not talking about the Senators, of course. I am talking about the "President's Team" getting the information to the PUBLIC . You know, the people that matter that are not paying attention to the marathon speeches that are taking place. The President's attorneys are using everything the Prosecution says against them. The prosecution brings up something that doesn't help their case, and the Defense highlights it to the public.
But you're missing the point. This is not a usual trial, nothing the house managers did "allowed" trump's team to bring it up. They are free to do so regardless. The house managers just made the calculation that the white house lawyers would bring it up...and it makes sense because in all actuality, trump has no defense. If he had one, we would have seen it by now with public comments and or documents from folks like Bolton.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 12:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even though they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
Wow!! You make yourself out to be the smartest person in the room. I'm not talking about the Senators, of course. I am talking about the "President's Team" getting the information to the PUBLIC . You know, the people that matter that are not paying attention to the marathon speeches that are taking place. The President's attorneys are using everything the Prosecution says against them. The prosecution brings up something that doesn't help their case, and the Defense highlights it to the public.
But you're missing the point. This is not a usual trial, nothing the house managers did "allowed" trump's team to bring it up. They are free to do so regardless. The house managers just made the calculation that the white house lawyers would bring it up...and it makes sense because in all actuality, trump has no defense. If he had one, we would have seen it by now with public comments and or documents from folks like Bolton.
LOL
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RE: Dems Open the Door
Don’t open it. Just do what the idiot Dems did and prosecute via speeches without the Bidens being there.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
This entire process is kabuki theater. It’s all grandstanding in an election year.
Does anyone really think that every senator didn’t already know how they would vote before this sham began?
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 12:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: This entire process is kabuki theater. It’s all grandstanding in an election year.
Does anyone really think that every senator didn’t already know how they would vote before this sham began?
if no witnesses called, then 1....
and I'm in the camp of calling for 'em....I want those four horsemen on the stand....and one won't show simply b/c he doesn't exist....
the hem and haw over this bs has become a joke.....we'll see if the pubes can follow thru or toss it to the side....the latter would be a mistake....
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 11:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even those they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
So its a conspiracy theory that the Vice President's son got a cushy job that he was not qualified for with a corrupt gas company in Ukraine? That did not happen? This is pretty much all they need Tom... regardless of wrongdoing. The stink on this will not go away and you know it.
Never said that. We all know why Burisma hired him. But that in no way means Joe had anything to do with it or that Hunter was able to use his father for any favors on behalf of Burisma. There's simply no credible evidence of that seen to date. If there is, show it and fry them. But that should be done by our IC, not a hack like rudy.
What a stupid take on what's patently obvious to anyone with half a brain.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Clearly the tweeter (and probably you) doesn't understand that this is not a "normal" trial.
That door was always wide open for the presidents team regardless of what the house managers did or said in their remarks. The house managers just made a decision that the presidents team were going to go through it anyway, so they made a preemptive move as I don't think they really get a chance for a direct rebuttal so to speak after the presidents team makes their presentation.
The republicans have the majority and can vote to allow Hunter and/or Joe to testify anytime they wish regardless of what the house managers did or do.
You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even though they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
Wow!! You make yourself out to be the smartest person in the room. I'm not talking about the Senators, of course. I am talking about the "President's Team" getting the information to the PUBLIC . You know, the people that matter that are not paying attention to the marathon speeches that are taking place. The President's attorneys are using everything the Prosecution says against them. The prosecution brings up something that doesn't help their case, and the Defense highlights it to the public.
But you're missing the point. This is not a usual trial, nothing the house managers did "allowed" trump's team to bring it up. They are free to do so regardless. The house managers just made the calculation that the white house lawyers would bring it up...and it makes sense because in all actuality, trump has no defense. If he had one, we would have seen it by now with public comments and or documents from folks like Bolton.
You STILL don't get that it's not up to anyone to prove their innocence and you idiots have done nothing to prove his guilt.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 12:00 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 11:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-24-2020 10:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: You still don't get it. The lawyers are highlighting this to expose it to people on the other side that STILL don't know that the Vice President's son was placed on a board of a corrupt gas company in the Ukraine, and that is the reason Biden's name was brought up during the phone call. The managers are fools for even mentioning the Bidens even though they are at the center of the Impeachment.
Huh? What lawyers? The house managers? They brought it up because the other side (the republican senators and white counsel) don't know about Burisma?
They brought it up to get out in front of it because the white house counsel will surely bring it up because it's all they got...a conspiracy theory.
Wow!! You make yourself out to be the smartest person in the room. I'm not talking about the Senators, of course. I am talking about the "President's Team" getting the information to the PUBLIC . You know, the people that matter that are not paying attention to the marathon speeches that are taking place. The President's attorneys are using everything the Prosecution says against them. The prosecution brings up something that doesn't help their case, and the Defense highlights it to the public.
But you're missing the point. This is not a usual trial, nothing the house managers did "allowed" trump's team to bring it up. They are free to do so regardless. The house managers just made the calculation that the white house lawyers would bring it up...and it makes sense because in all actuality, trump has no defense. If he had one, we would have seen it by now with public comments and or documents from folks like Bolton.
You are the only one talking about a trial. Trump's attorneys were on all of the nightly news shows last night talking about how the House Managers(Prosecutors) were talking about how having Joe Biden's son on the board of a corrupt Gas Company in the Ukraine was "no big deal". Alot of Democrat voters have no idea Biden's son was getting paid to be on a Ukrainian board.
To be fair most democrat voters have no idea about much of anything.
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RE: Dems Open the Door
(01-24-2020 12:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: This entire process is kabuki theater. It’s all grandstanding in an election year.
Does anyone really think that every senator didn’t already know how they would vote before this sham began?
And 4 of them are running against Trump. No 2020 election meddling there.
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(01-24-2020 12:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote: (01-24-2020 12:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: This entire process is kabuki theater. It’s all grandstanding in an election year.
Does anyone really think that every senator didn’t already know how they would vote before this sham began?
if no witnesses called, then 1....
and I'm in the camp of calling for 'em....I want those four horsemen on the stand....and one won't show simply b/c he doesn't exist....
the hem and haw over this bs has become a joke.....we'll see if the pubes can follow thru or toss it to the side....the latter would be a mistake....
You don't have to call Schiff as a witness. Just ask him the questions on the record in the Senate as part of the 16 hour question and answer portion of the trial.
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