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Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-02-2021 09:29 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 03:14 PM)70shawk Wrote:  There is a wide-open need for a basketball-only conference in the southeastern US. One just does not exist. There would have to be a host of schools that would have serious interest.
The one that exists is in the topic title. The 10 conferences that do not exist for Football are:

Atlantic Sun
Big East (New England*/northeast/midwest)
Atlantic 10 (New England*/northeast/northern part of the south/midwest)
Metro Atlantic Athletic (New York/New Jersey/Connecticut
America East (New England, New York, and Maryland)
Horizon League (midwest)
Summit League (western part of the midwest/north central)
Western Athletic (scattered in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones with giant travel)
Big West (California state schools and Hawaii)
West Coast (all are Christian)

* New England is Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

In a perfect world, I want UNCW to have a football team. Since that’s never going to happen, I don’t want us in any conference that has a school north of Virginia. Our budget just isn’t a good match for that travel.


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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-02-2021 09:29 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 03:14 PM)70shawk Wrote:  There is a wide-open need for a basketball-only conference in the southeastern US. One just does not exist. There would have to be a host of schools that would have serious interest.
The one that exists is in the topic title. The 10 conferences that do not exist for Football are:

Atlantic Sun
Big East (New England*/northeast/midwest)
Atlantic 10 (New England*/northeast/northern part of the south/midwest)
Metro Atlantic Athletic (New York/New Jersey/Connecticut
America East (New England, New York, and Maryland)
Horizon League (midwest)
Summit League (western part of the midwest/north central)
Western Athletic (scattered in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones with giant travel)
Big West (California state schools and Hawaii)
West Coast (all are Christian)

* New England is Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

Fair enough, re: the Atlantic Sun. But the whole idea as I understand it about their expansion plan is because of school s that want to add football! So a school that wants to go to a conference that doesn't sponsor football in order to be with schools that also don't want the football tail to wag the conference dog would be disappointed with the ASUN.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

There are a bunch of basketball only schools in the Carolinas that could easily form the nucleus of a good conference that are only a very manageable bus ride away.
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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-03-2021 09:17 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 09:29 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 03:14 PM)70shawk Wrote:  There is a wide-open need for a basketball-only conference in the southeastern US. One just does not exist. There would have to be a host of schools that would have serious interest.
The one that exists is in the topic title. The 10 conferences that do not exist for Football are:

Atlantic Sun
Big East (New England*/northeast/midwest)
Atlantic 10 (New England*/northeast/northern part of the south/midwest)
Metro Atlantic Athletic (New York/New Jersey/Connecticut
America East (New England, New York, and Maryland)
Horizon League (midwest)
Summit League (western part of the midwest/north central)
Western Athletic (scattered in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones with giant travel)
Big West (California state schools and Hawaii)
West Coast (all are Christian)

* New England is Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

Fair enough, re: the Atlantic Sun. But the whole idea as I understand it about their expansion plan is because of school s that want to add football! So a school that wants to go to a conference that doesn't sponsor football in order to be with schools that also don't want the football tail to wag the conference dog would be disappointed with the ASUN.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

There are a bunch of basketball only schools in the Carolinas that could easily form the nucleus of a good conference that are only a very manageable bus ride away.

There are 4 non FBS or FCS football schools in NC
High Point
UNCA
UNCG
UNCW

In SC there are 3
CoC
USC Upstate
Winthrop

In VA there are 2
Longwood
Radford

Davidson and Presbyterian have non scholarship FCS football

So if we wanted to surround ourselves with non football schools we should just join the Big South

I'd rather us and CoC join the SoCon with UNCG
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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
ETSU left the SoCon when they dropped football. I'm pretty sure they were only able to come back after they reinstated football. UNCG has some kind of grandfather clause and are the only non football school in the conference.
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Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-03-2021 04:04 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  ETSU left the SoCon when they dropped football. I'm pretty sure they were only able to come back after they reinstated football. UNCG has some kind of grandfather clause and are the only non football school in the conference.

I feel like I’ve read this exact same post in like 17 different threads on dreaming up conference realignment for UNCW. Lol

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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-03-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 09:17 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 09:29 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 03:14 PM)70shawk Wrote:  There is a wide-open need for a basketball-only conference in the southeastern US. One just does not exist. There would have to be a host of schools that would have serious interest.
The one that exists is in the topic title. The 10 conferences that do not exist for Football are:

Atlantic Sun
Big East (New England*/northeast/midwest)
Atlantic 10 (New England*/northeast/northern part of the south/midwest)
Metro Atlantic Athletic (New York/New Jersey/Connecticut
America East (New England, New York, and Maryland)
Horizon League (midwest)
Summit League (western part of the midwest/north central)
Western Athletic (scattered in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones with giant travel)
Big West (California state schools and Hawaii)
West Coast (all are Christian)

* New England is Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

Fair enough, re: the Atlantic Sun. But the whole idea as I understand it about their expansion plan is because of school s that want to add football! So a school that wants to go to a conference that doesn't sponsor football in order to be with schools that also don't want the football tail to wag the conference dog would be disappointed with the ASUN.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

There are a bunch of basketball only schools in the Carolinas that could easily form the nucleus of a good conference that are only a very manageable bus ride away.

There are 4 non FBS or FCS football schools in NC
High Point
UNCA
UNCG
UNCW

In SC there are 3
CoC
USC Upstate
Winthrop

In VA there are 2
Longwood
Radford

Davidson and Presbyterian have non scholarship FCS football

So if we wanted to surround ourselves with non football schools we should just join the Big South

I'd rather us and CoC join the SoCon with UNCG

The basketball only schools you listed would be an AWFUL conference.
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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-03-2021 06:59 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 09:17 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 09:29 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 03:14 PM)70shawk Wrote:  There is a wide-open need for a basketball-only conference in the southeastern US. One just does not exist. There would have to be a host of schools that would have serious interest.
The one that exists is in the topic title. The 10 conferences that do not exist for Football are:

Atlantic Sun
Big East (New England*/northeast/midwest)
Atlantic 10 (New England*/northeast/northern part of the south/midwest)
Metro Atlantic Athletic (New York/New Jersey/Connecticut
America East (New England, New York, and Maryland)
Horizon League (midwest)
Summit League (western part of the midwest/north central)
Western Athletic (scattered in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones with giant travel)
Big West (California state schools and Hawaii)
West Coast (all are Christian)

* New England is Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

Fair enough, re: the Atlantic Sun. But the whole idea as I understand it about their expansion plan is because of school s that want to add football! So a school that wants to go to a conference that doesn't sponsor football in order to be with schools that also don't want the football tail to wag the conference dog would be disappointed with the ASUN.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

There are a bunch of basketball only schools in the Carolinas that could easily form the nucleus of a good conference that are only a very manageable bus ride away.

There are 4 non FBS or FCS football schools in NC
High Point
UNCA
UNCG
UNCW

In SC there are 3
CoC
USC Upstate
Winthrop

In VA there are 2
Longwood
Radford

Davidson and Presbyterian have non scholarship FCS football

So if we wanted to surround ourselves with non football schools we should just join the Big South

I'd rather us and CoC join the SoCon with UNCG

The basketball only schools you listed would be an AWFUL conference.

If Davidson joined, and you had UNCA, UNCG, Winthrop, COC, Us How would that be AWFUL? It's honestly similar to the CAA usually with a top 5, 6 teams strong and the rest meh
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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-03-2021 08:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 06:59 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 09:17 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 09:29 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  The one that exists is in the topic title. The 10 conferences that do not exist for Football are:

Atlantic Sun
Big East (New England*/northeast/midwest)
Atlantic 10 (New England*/northeast/northern part of the south/midwest)
Metro Atlantic Athletic (New York/New Jersey/Connecticut
America East (New England, New York, and Maryland)
Horizon League (midwest)
Summit League (western part of the midwest/north central)
Western Athletic (scattered in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones with giant travel)
Big West (California state schools and Hawaii)
West Coast (all are Christian)

* New England is Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.

Fair enough, re: the Atlantic Sun. But the whole idea as I understand it about their expansion plan is because of school s that want to add football! So a school that wants to go to a conference that doesn't sponsor football in order to be with schools that also don't want the football tail to wag the conference dog would be disappointed with the ASUN.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

There are a bunch of basketball only schools in the Carolinas that could easily form the nucleus of a good conference that are only a very manageable bus ride away.

There are 4 non FBS or FCS football schools in NC
High Point
UNCA
UNCG
UNCW

In SC there are 3
CoC
USC Upstate
Winthrop

In VA there are 2
Longwood
Radford

Davidson and Presbyterian have non scholarship FCS football

So if we wanted to surround ourselves with non football schools we should just join the Big South

I'd rather us and CoC join the SoCon with UNCG

The basketball only schools you listed would be an AWFUL conference.

If Davidson joined, and you had UNCA, UNCG, Winthrop, COC, Us How would that be AWFUL? It's honestly similar to the CAA usually with a top 5, 6 teams strong and the rest meh

Longwood, USC Upstate, UNC Asheville, Radford would be bottom four in the CAA day one. They are also nowhere near the academic quality of the CAA schools. There is no way on earth Davidson or UNCG would come into that conference. The CAA, A10 and SoCon are both better currently than that conference would be.

There are only two places UNCW would fit. CAA and A10. We are the fastest growing school in the UNC system, and will be 20k+ in a few years. I think we finallly have settled on a long term vision for basketball, and my expectation is that we will be back at the top of the CAA in the next three years. I also expect Siddle will not leave as quickly as Keatts, I expect he will be here for at least 7 years and maybe longer. He's young, and he's a NC kid. He has a chance to make a name for himself at a very young age. And if he brings us back to the top, he can keep getting raises and live a very comfortable life. He's also seen the risk of making a jump along side of Keatts.

If we can get a really solid run over the next 5-7 years, a spot in the A10 may open up. We can also leverage a nice run into influence of the direction of the CAA in the future. I still think a N/S division is the ultimate direciton the CAA will go. And if that happens, I will be fine with UNCW in the CAA. If that doesn't happpen, the A10 should be our goal.
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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-03-2021 06:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2021 04:04 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  ETSU left the SoCon when they dropped football. I'm pretty sure they were only able to come back after they reinstated football. UNCG has some kind of grandfather clause and are the only non football school in the conference.

I feel like I’ve read this exact same post in like 17 different threads on dreaming up conference realignment for UNCW. Lol

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LOL

I only replied to this thread's rebirth to provide clarification

UNCG isn't leaving the SoCon and Davidson sure as hell ain't leaving the A10

We really only have a handful of realistic options none of which are great

A. Get the CAA to do divisions - Hofstra screwed the conference over last time by torpedoing divisions, so now if we added 1 or 2 more schools for each half they would most likely have to come from the Big South as UNCG would be crazy to leave

B. Join the SoCon - I don't know how feasible this truly is, but at this point getting back to an ESPN aligned conference that has a focus on basketball would be best. The current SoCon is far from ideal but if we joined UNCG there with CoC it would be better than the current alignment under the CAA. A conference tournament in Ashville would be cool too!!

C. Join the Big South - This isn't ideal at all as the Big South champion usually gets a 15 or 16 seed so that would really lower our ceiling in our premiere sport. But if the CAA falls apart or travel becomes unbearable this would allow us to save money.

I don't see any other realistic options
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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
If you havent noticed, in general the CAA is a bunch of misfits put together. Not many schools fit well elsewhere with how things are currently aligned. I think that can be used as a strength with any level of leadership (that we currently dont have). Divisions make way too much sense and Hofstra does need to suck it up and allow Stony Brook in. Having more rivalries is a good thing, not a bad one. They compete for market share, oh well. More teams in the same market is not a bad thing. But schools acting selfishly naturally wont help the entire conference. Then again, until leadership starts acting for the good of the conference I cant blame any school for acting selfishly. The CAA with just a few additions and creating divisions can be a strong conference once again. I truly believe that.

Also for you guys, is a 15 or 16 seed in the big south really worse than the current CAA? At this point it seems like the caa is a 15 or 16 with an occasional 14 seed mixed in.
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(01-04-2021 10:29 AM)dan10 Wrote:  If you havent noticed, in general the CAA is a bunch of misfits put together. Not many schools fit well elsewhere with how things are currently aligned. I think that can be used as a strength with any level of leadership (that we currently dont have). Divisions make way too much sense and Hofstra does need to suck it up and allow Stony Brook in. Having more rivalries is a good thing, not a bad one. They compete for market share, oh well. More teams in the same market is not a bad thing. But schools acting selfishly naturally wont help the entire conference. Then again, until leadership starts acting for the good of the conference I cant blame any school for acting selfishly. The CAA with just a few additions and creating divisions can be a strong conference once again. I truly believe that.

Also for you guys, is a 15 or 16 seed in the big south really worse than the current CAA? At this point it seems like the caa is a 15 or 16 with an occasional 14 seed mixed in.

I agree. Richmond and VCU fight for the same market share and are in the same conference. That's a plus, not a minus.
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(01-04-2021 12:26 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 10:29 AM)dan10 Wrote:  If you havent noticed, in general the CAA is a bunch of misfits put together. Not many schools fit well elsewhere with how things are currently aligned. I think that can be used as a strength with any level of leadership (that we currently dont have). Divisions make way too much sense and Hofstra does need to suck it up and allow Stony Brook in. Having more rivalries is a good thing, not a bad one. They compete for market share, oh well. More teams in the same market is not a bad thing. But schools acting selfishly naturally wont help the entire conference. Then again, until leadership starts acting for the good of the conference I cant blame any school for acting selfishly. The CAA with just a few additions and creating divisions can be a strong conference once again. I truly believe that.

Also for you guys, is a 15 or 16 seed in the big south really worse than the current CAA? At this point it seems like the caa is a 15 or 16 with an occasional 14 seed mixed in.

I agree. Richmond and VCU fight for the same market share and are in the same conference. That's a plus, not a minus.

Northern schools have always made dumb choices about keeping their rivals out. Its why the original Big East fell apart and its killing us currently in the CAA
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Some have for sure. Meanwhile Drexel and Delaware purposely follow each other as rivals despite 1 having football and 1 not. I expect that following to end in the next round of shakeups as it will be more difficult for non football schools and football schools to coexist.
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Just happened to stop in on your message board and saw a current ASUN thread. Our commish is definitely visionary and entertaining. He’s really a good guy to talk to and will call you personally if you address him.

The ASUN hasn’t been a good conference but is definitely doing all it can to improve, from the conference office to the member institutions. It seems to be working. There is an upward trend.

I have always wished we could add UNC Wilmington to the ASUN. However, there’s been no reason y’all would be interested. It would mot have benefited you in anyway. But my expansion wish list has always included UNCW.

The ASUN is pushing to become an FCS football conference. With the anticipated addition of EKU, Jax St. and C. Ark, that will move closer to reality. The commish had originally wanted to settle in at 14 teams total and enough of those to start the football conference. Looks like we’ll be at 12 shortly.

At this point, I am not sure what the attraction would be for Wilmington to join the ASUN, but I know I’d love it.

Good luck in the coming spring seasons.
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RE: Atlantic Sun with a bold expansion plan
(01-10-2021 05:54 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Just happened to stop in on your message board and saw a current ASUN thread. Our commish is definitely visionary and entertaining. He’s really a good guy to talk to and will call you personally if you address him.

The ASUN hasn’t been a good conference but is definitely doing all it can to improve, from the conference office to the member institutions. It seems to be working. There is an upward trend.

I have always wished we could add UNC Wilmington to the ASUN. However, there’s been no reason y’all would be interested. It would mot have benefited you in anyway. But my expansion wish list has always included UNCW.

The ASUN is pushing to become an FCS football conference. With the anticipated addition of EKU, Jax St. and C. Ark, that will move closer to reality. The commish had originally wanted to settle in at 14 teams total and enough of those to start the football conference. Looks like we’ll be at 12 shortly.

At this point, I am not sure what the attraction would be for Wilmington to join the ASUN, but I know I’d love it.

Good luck in the coming spring seasons.

Thanks for the insights. I wasn't thinking of UNCW joining the ASUN, but rather was contrasting the imaginative thinking going on there vs at the CAA - and frankly our own school.

The mindset at the CAA/UNCW seems to be binary choices (stay in the CAA as it currently exists vs leave for another conference - if they would have us - as it currently exists.

The ASUN seems to be trying to find ways to reshuffle the deck of cards and come up with new choices that don't currently exist.
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