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(01-22-2020 09:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They are not forming 2 conferences. They’re planning on changing the name and possibly going to 20 teams with a divisional alignment and becoming all Sports, since the A-Sun doesn’t have football. I repeat, they are not forming 2 separate conferences

I disagree. This announcement clearly indicates that if they get enough schools on board the the core 7 plus 3 new recruits will be taking up the CCSA as their new all sports home.

Yeah and what’s the problem with that? They have the A-Sun auto bid and go by a different name. No big deal

They wont have the ASUN auto bid. The current ASun will have the ASun autobid under a different name. Similar to how the AAC had the old Big East's auto bid.

The ASUN proposes that the CCSA will then be granted a new autobid as they will be a D1 multisport conference that must be recognized as a CORE CONFERENCE due to having 7 schools, the ASUN 7, which have played together for 8 years. Similar to how the Big East was granted a new auto bid after it was formed
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Why do they have to get the CCSA involved? What is the end goal of all this?
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(01-22-2020 09:51 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why do they have to get the CCSA involved? What is the end goal of all this?

Good question

If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd say Liberty is trying to create their own conference

Get the ASun 7 to go away and you have a potential FBS conference shell with UNA and non football Belleramine that you can then piece together a conference of your liking. Unhappy with CUSA? Come join us, we have plenty of room

As to why the CCSA is involved, its likely semantics.

The CCSA is a current single sport D1 conference. Doing it this way allows them to reclassify a current D1 conference from single to multisport as opposed creating a new multisport conference from scratch

My guess is they feel that will improve their ability with the NCAA for the new CCSA mutisport conference get CORE CONFERENCE status and the auto bid that comes with that status

I could see the NCAA being ok with it as long as the total number of auto bids doesnt increase.

Say this new ASun absorbs CUSA east plus UAB and USM.
Then say that forces the TX/LA schools in CUSA west to join the Sunbelt and CUSA is no more

This chain reaction would result in a net change of 0 in auto bids. If that happens I doubt the NCAA cares
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(01-22-2020 09:51 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why do they have to get the CCSA involved? What is the end goal of all this?

I get a different impression in that the door is open for the three who won't make up the core of this new conference. What I think ASun is trying to do? Stop being the WAC of the east as the feeder conference, and make this derivative conference the feeder.

I think ASun looks at what Big South has and is thinking they want that, too. Some other kind of identity. One who plucks rather than always being the one plucked.

And ASun and Big South can continue to define themselves. Maybe Big South fully embraces the football school conference and ASun will not, and you'll see swaps. Or, one is fully public and the other private, so the two can pipeline replacements more effectively.
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Does anyone think the C-USA East schools, all or part, would go for this scheme? They’d end up with a tighter footprint of mostly bus trips and then a flight to Miami.

Or is it more likely that Liberty ends up with DII schools?
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(01-22-2020 10:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:51 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why do they have to get the CCSA involved? What is the end goal of all this?

Good question

If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd say Liberty is trying to create their own conference

Get the ASun 7 to go away and you have a potential FBS conference shell with UNA and non football Belleramine that you can then piece together a conference of your liking. Unhappy with CUSA? Come join us, we have plenty of room

As to why the CCSA is involved, its likely semantics.

The CCSA is a current single sport D1 conference. Doing it this way allows them to reclassify a current D1 conference from single to multisport as opposed creating a new multisport conference from scratch

CCSA sponsors three sports: Beach Volleyball, Men's Swimming and Diving, and Women's Swimming and Diving.
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I think one of the things people are missing is that the "ASUN 7" can be joined by any amount of other schools from the original conference. You could have a situation where some C-USA east and Sunbelt schools join the new conference, and then all the ASUN schools minus liberty go to the CCSA (to be renamed the ASUN, again).
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(01-22-2020 10:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:51 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why do they have to get the CCSA involved? What is the end goal of all this?

Good question

If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd say Liberty is trying to create their own conference

Get the ASun 7 to go away and you have a potential FBS conference shell with UNA and non football Belleramine that you can then piece together a conference of your liking. Unhappy with CUSA? Come join us, we have plenty of room

As to why the CCSA is involved, its likely semantics.

The CCSA is a current single sport D1 conference. Doing it this way allows them to reclassify a current D1 conference from single to multisport as opposed creating a new multisport conference from scratch

My guess is they feel that will improve their ability with the NCAA for the new CCSA mutisport conference get CORE CONFERENCE status and the auto bid that comes with that status

I could see the NCAA being ok with it as long as the total number of auto bids doesnt increase.

Say this new ASun absorbs CUSA east plus UAB and USM.
Then say that forces the TX/LA schools in CUSA west to join the Sunbelt and CUSA is no more

This chain reaction would result in a net change of 0 in auto bids. If that happens I doubt the NCAA cares

That's the first thing I've heard that makes any sense as to why they are going through all this.
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(01-22-2020 11:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 10:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:51 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why do they have to get the CCSA involved? What is the end goal of all this?

Good question

If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd say Liberty is trying to create their own conference

Get the ASun 7 to go away and you have a potential FBS conference shell with UNA and non football Belleramine that you can then piece together a conference of your liking. Unhappy with CUSA? Come join us, we have plenty of room

As to why the CCSA is involved, its likely semantics.

The CCSA is a current single sport D1 conference. Doing it this way allows them to reclassify a current D1 conference from single to multisport as opposed creating a new multisport conference from scratch

My guess is they feel that will improve their ability with the NCAA for the new CCSA mutisport conference get CORE CONFERENCE status and the auto bid that comes with that status

I could see the NCAA being ok with it as long as the total number of auto bids doesnt increase.

Say this new ASun absorbs CUSA east plus UAB and USM.
Then say that forces the TX/LA schools in CUSA west to join the Sunbelt and CUSA is no more

This chain reaction would result in a net change of 0 in auto bids. If that happens I doubt the NCAA cares

That's the first thing I've heard that makes any sense as to why they are going through all this.
This is the path I feel is going on.

Liberty, UNA and Bellarmine will be able to join with the "ASUN 7" with no additional buy in. But they also have the option to go else without penalties.

The ASUN as we currently know it will more than likely stay together, per phone call with UNA personnel about 10 mins ago. Those ten plus 10 more will form the new ASUN. There will be football. From the best I can understand, there will be a new FCS conference formed from this. The UAC (United Athletic Conference) that anyone in the ASun that plays FCS football will be members of. The FBS schools will be the ASUN. Anyone in the conference that wants to move to FBS from fCS will have that option. The best I can tell is the Big South will no longer sponsor football if this plan goes through.

The ASUN currently has 1 FBS program and 2 potentially FBS programs. They are trying to protect them and keep them from moving.

So you will have the ASUN and the UAC (United Athletic Team FCS) both controlled by the ASUN.

The CCSA (basically started by the ASUN) is the scapegoat for the FCS football only conference. So dont look at just current CCSA members to fill the ASUN 20.

It will more than likely be C-USA and Sun Belt mix, with a couple of current FCS members to fill the UAC side.
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Basically the ASun is trying to create another conference shell. Ever since the WAC turnover, the NCAA recognizes conferences no matter who composes them. Ex: All 10 members of the Big 12 could leave, but as long as the Big 12 reloads they will be fine in the eyes of the NCAA

The ASun is trying to create a 2nd conference shell with autobid that will host most of its current members so that its current conference shell can used to accommodate whomever wants to join without an autobid disruption

Again the only ones that benefit from such action are Liberty and possibly Kennesaw St and UNA if they are truly interested in FBS football
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(01-22-2020 09:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  They wont have the ASUN auto bid. The current ASun will have the ASun autobid under a different name. Similar to how the AAC had the old Big East's auto bid.

The ASUN proposes that the CCSA will then be granted a new autobid as they will be a D1 multisport conference that must be recognized as a CORE CONFERENCE due to having 7 schools, the ASUN 7, which have played together for 8 years. Similar to how the Big East was granted a new auto bid after it was formed

Except the new Big East got a waiver, because the rule had changed in between the old Big East setting up their "divorce" rules and the C7 exercising that option.

That is, it does seem that among the various options they are considering, they want to see if they can use the previous rule, but they are quite clearly referring to the old rule when they say:
Quote:Schools must have played together for eight consecutive years to become part of the "continuity" group that can start a new conference.

When the NCAA says, "no, that's not the rule anymore", then that option will be off the table and they can move on to their other options that are still on the table.

Whatever they say is the formal basis for the new Big East waiver applications, pragmatically the basis was that given the schools involved, having the conference winner get an auto-bid wasn't likely to take any at-large bids away from anyone else, since the conference winner would be getting an at-large bid anyway.
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(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They are not forming 2 conferences. They’re planning on changing the name and possibly going to 20 teams with a divisional alignment and becoming all Sports, since the A-Sun doesn’t have football. I repeat, they are not forming 2 separate conferences

They're aiming to go to two conferences, that's the whole point of this plan.

ASun and a new United Athletic Conference, each would get an NCAA auto bid
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(01-23-2020 12:17 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They are not forming 2 conferences. They’re planning on changing the name and possibly going to 20 teams with a divisional alignment and becoming all Sports, since the A-Sun doesn’t have football. I repeat, they are not forming 2 separate conferences

They're aiming to go to two conferences, that's the whole point of this plan.

ASun and a new United Athletic Conference, each would get an NCAA auto bid

That's the point of that particular scenario. They are exploring multiple scenarios, and they actually admit that the reason for going public about that now ... after their "nobody talks about Fight Club" press-release in December ... is because it was about to leak out anyway. Seems like they'd been holding off sending the request for confirmation from the NCAA about which options fit the current rules until it was about to leak out anyway ...
... and if there are public Universities involved in the process, you can't keep something like this under wraps forever, since various states will have a range of different "Sunshine" laws that apply to what the University is getting up to.

(01-22-2020 09:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  This seems less like a fully-formed and feasible plan and more like a cry for attention.

Indeed, it could be there are a handful of muleheaded participants in the discussion who are insisting that the old rule can still be used, and the timeline of when public reporting requirements means that they just had to say, "OK, ok, we'll just put that in a letter to the NCAA and double check whether you are right about their new rule not being the real rule, and the real rule is the rule that used to be in place. But if they say the new rule is really the rule, you'll drop that, right?"
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(01-23-2020 12:17 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They are not forming 2 conferences. They’re planning on changing the name and possibly going to 20 teams with a divisional alignment and becoming all Sports, since the A-Sun doesn’t have football. I repeat, they are not forming 2 separate conferences

They're aiming to go to two conferences, that's the whole point of this plan.

ASun and a new United Athletic Conference, each would get an NCAA auto bid

The point of the two conferences is not what you think.

ALL 10 of the ASUN members will be part of the "New" ASUN...

The UAC (United Athletic Conference) will be a football only FCS conference that will accommodate the ASUN members with FCS football + Big South football members because the Big South will drop football from the conference.

The ASUN FCS schools will automatically have a home in FBS if they decided they wanted to move to FBS. Basically locking in UNA and Kennesaw State to the ASUN IF FBS aspirations come.

As far as other sports, it will be a dramatically improved conference.
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(01-23-2020 12:40 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 12:17 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They are not forming 2 conferences. They’re planning on changing the name and possibly going to 20 teams with a divisional alignment and becoming all Sports, since the A-Sun doesn’t have football. I repeat, they are not forming 2 separate conferences

They're aiming to go to two conferences, that's the whole point of this plan.

ASun and a new United Athletic Conference, each would get an NCAA auto bid

The point of the two conferences is not what you think.

ALL 10 of the ASUN members will be part of the "New" ASUN...

The UAC (United Athletic Conference) will be a football only FCS conference that will accommodate the ASUN members with FCS football + Big South football members because the Big South will drop football from the conference.

The ASUN FCS schools will automatically have a home in FBS if they decided they wanted to move to FBS. Basically locking in UNA and Kennesaw State to the ASUN IF FBS aspirations come.

As far as other sports, it will be a dramatically improved conference.

If that were the case then why not just have the Big South drop FCS football sponsorship and the CCSA pick it up like the MVFC does?
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(01-23-2020 12:49 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 12:40 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 12:17 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They are not forming 2 conferences. They’re planning on changing the name and possibly going to 20 teams with a divisional alignment and becoming all Sports, since the A-Sun doesn’t have football. I repeat, they are not forming 2 separate conferences

They're aiming to go to two conferences, that's the whole point of this plan.

ASun and a new United Athletic Conference, each would get an NCAA auto bid

The point of the two conferences is not what you think.

ALL 10 of the ASUN members will be part of the "New" ASUN...

The UAC (United Athletic Conference) will be a football only FCS conference that will accommodate the ASUN members with FCS football + Big South football members because the Big South will drop football from the conference.

The ASUN FCS schools will automatically have a home in FBS if they decided they wanted to move to FBS. Basically locking in UNA and Kennesaw State to the ASUN IF FBS aspirations come.

As far as other sports, it will be a dramatically improved conference.

If that were the case then why not just have the Big South drop FCS football sponsorship and the CCSA pick it up like the MVFC does?
That's exactly what is happening, just in a different name. The CCSA will turn into the "new" ASUN for legal reasons I guess. The old ASUN will turn into the UAC and only sponsor football. It's a weird loophole

So in simple terms, the CCSA=football only FCS UAC
The new 20 school conference will be the ASUN by transfer of name. The new 10 members will come out of the Sun Belt and C-USA. Them plus Liberty is a 10 school FBS conference, add UConn and UMass as football only members for 12.

KSU and UNA will play football in the FCS UAC. But will have a FBS home if they decided to go that route. If that happens, you have the 14 (football) team FBS ASUN conference. Could turn to 16 quickly if UNF and FGCU go through with their football studies.
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(01-22-2020 07:04 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Essentially, the ASUN is kicking out Liberty, UNA, and Bellarmine.

Liberty is too damn good for the A-Sun anyway. If the Sun Belt will never take them, CAA or SoCon should.
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(01-22-2020 07:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 07:28 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 07:23 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Such a scumbag move considering they just invited UNA, Liberty, & Bellarmine. I hope another league steals one of the 7 and foils the plan.

And LU has been crushing it in BBall. Maybe that’s why, sort of chanced the status quo of the ASUN when we came in.

I had the same thought. To pull a 180, they must be pissed Liberty and its $ is dominating BB.
A-Sun should just St.Thomas(MN) them. you are too good, so you gotta go. 05-ban
Liberty is doing what SDSU woulda have done to the Big West in bball if they went to the AAC for football.

Also if it's some FBS loophole what makes you think the SBC and CUSA schools would leave. they could just do an east west swap if they really want to cut down on travel and not need this.
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(01-23-2020 01:20 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 12:49 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 12:40 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 12:17 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  They are not forming 2 conferences. They’re planning on changing the name and possibly going to 20 teams with a divisional alignment and becoming all Sports, since the A-Sun doesn’t have football. I repeat, they are not forming 2 separate conferences

They're aiming to go to two conferences, that's the whole point of this plan.

ASun and a new United Athletic Conference, each would get an NCAA auto bid

The point of the two conferences is not what you think.

ALL 10 of the ASUN members will be part of the "New" ASUN...

The UAC (United Athletic Conference) will be a football only FCS conference that will accommodate the ASUN members with FCS football + Big South football members because the Big South will drop football from the conference.

The ASUN FCS schools will automatically have a home in FBS if they decided they wanted to move to FBS. Basically locking in UNA and Kennesaw State to the ASUN IF FBS aspirations come.

As far as other sports, it will be a dramatically improved conference.

If that were the case then why not just have the Big South drop FCS football sponsorship and the CCSA pick it up like the MVFC does?
That's exactly what is happening, just in a different name. The CCSA will turn into the "new" ASUN for legal reasons I guess. The old ASUN will turn into the UAC and only sponsor football. It's a weird loophole

So in simple terms, the CCSA=football only FCS UAC
The new 20 school conference will be the ASUN by transfer of name. The new 10 members will come out of the Sun Belt and C-USA. Them plus Liberty is a 10 school FBS conference, add UConn and UMass as football only members for 12.

KSU and UNA will play football in the FCS UAC. But will have a FBS home if they decided to go that route. If that happens, you have the 14 (football) team FBS ASUN conference. Could turn to 16 quickly if UNF and FGCU go through with their football studies.

I dont think so. The Asun wants both the new Asub and the UAC to have autobids
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