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RE: ASun Committed to Expansion
(02-07-2020 08:01 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I'm trying to wrap my head around this UAC idea. I just have a hard time imagining anyone besides D2 schools, and perhaps some MEAC schools, going for it. Schools in the SoCon and Big South are in pretty secure spots. What would incentivize them to leave?

If you watch the video, you'll see that it's pretty clear they're looking to expand into northern Europe.
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As much as it doesn't seem likely to happen the ASun commissioner and some other D1 AD's etc might have a plan that no one is going to say anything about til it gets closer to when it's going to happen. Keeping everything hushed except for the whole we wanna 20 team conference line
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I think the main thing here is that the ASUN does things to survive. They are on defense and trying to stay alive. The idea that they could lure away SoCon teams is absurd. If a SoCon team left for this, it would be the biggest mistake in their history. Like ETSU posters have already said, their fanbase hates the ASUN memories. I'd also note that a SoCon school would be leaving an established conference with leadership that runs football, for a new conference with zero history and zero knowledge of how to run a football league. I know they'd hire someone that knows what they're doing, but the point still remains. Lastly, its a huge risk to join the UAC as a school like ETSU or UTC. This thing could fold at any moment (mass exodus is kind of a thing with the A-Sun), and then ETSU or UTC is left holding the bag. Risk is super high, reward super low.
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(02-15-2020 07:56 PM)MercerFan Wrote:  I think the main thing here is that the ASUN does things to survive. They are on defense and trying to stay alive. The idea that they could lure away SoCon teams is absurd. If a SoCon team left for this, it would be the biggest mistake in their history. Like ETSU posters have already said, their fanbase hates the ASUN memories. I'd also note that a SoCon school would be leaving an established conference with leadership that runs football, for a new conference with zero history and zero knowledge of how to run a football league. I know they'd hire someone that knows what they're doing, but the point still remains. Lastly, its a huge risk to join the UAC as a school like ETSU or UTC. This thing could fold at any moment (mass exodus is kind of a thing with the A-Sun), and then ETSU or UTC is left holding the bag. Risk is super high, reward super low.

Agreed. The ASUN is a springboard, and, in my opinion, Liberty will be gone as soon as they get a better conference offer. It has become quite the hodge-podge. I miss the private school match-ups we (Lipscomb) had when we first joined the conference in the early 2000's.
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(02-15-2020 08:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 07:56 PM)MercerFan Wrote:  I think the main thing here is that the ASUN does things to survive. They are on defense and trying to stay alive. The idea that they could lure away SoCon teams is absurd. If a SoCon team left for this, it would be the biggest mistake in their history. Like ETSU posters have already said, their fanbase hates the ASUN memories. I'd also note that a SoCon school would be leaving an established conference with leadership that runs football, for a new conference with zero history and zero knowledge of how to run a football league. I know they'd hire someone that knows what they're doing, but the point still remains. Lastly, its a huge risk to join the UAC as a school like ETSU or UTC. This thing could fold at any moment (mass exodus is kind of a thing with the A-Sun), and then ETSU or UTC is left holding the bag. Risk is super high, reward super low.

Agreed. The ASUN is a springboard, and, in my opinion, Liberty will be gone as soon as they get a better conference offer. It has become quite the hodge-podge. I miss the private school match-ups we (Lipscomb) had when we first joined the conference in the early 2000's.

I enjoyed them as well back then. I was a student 2002-2006. During that time I saw the ASUN exodus of Troy, Georgia State, UCF, Jacksonville State, Samford, and FAU (can't belive the ASUN had these teams!). Then the conference rebuilt. Belmont leaving in the middle of the night one year was probably the biggest eye opener for me. That showed a complete lack of respect for the conference. I wish Lipscomb the best going forward! And I know the UNA poster on here wants things to be great for their conference, and UNA will be fine in the long run. But the dreams of luring every FCS power to join UNA and Kennesaw is a bit of a reach. I'll eat some crow if it happens!

edit -- Thinking back to 2002.. The ASUN had their chance to make a football league when they had UCF, FAU, Troy, Georgia State (no football at the time), and Jax State all together. They couldn't pull it off with that amazing core group, or had no vision to even try.
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I don't know of that's a fair criticism of the Atlantic Sun for that era. Yes, they had Troy, UCF, and FAU. It would be years before Georgia State began play at any level. Jacksonville State would still have been ill-equipped to move to FBS. There were serious doubts as to whether JSU woul even remain open thanks to Alabama's idiot governor Fob James.

The only way I see the A-Sun could have pulled it off is if all of App State, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, and Georgia Southern would have been ready to go in that time frame:

UCF, FAU, GaSo, GaSt, CCU, App St, Troy

That only gives the A-Sun seven programs. The final piece would have been to flip FIU and Middle Tennessee from the Sun Belt to the A-Sun.

The only downside is that this would have given the Atlantic Sun 18 members for the 2002-03 campaign, only 9 of which played football. Even if you toss out Belmont (joined 2001) and Gardner-Webb (joined 2002), that still a 16-team league.

If the Atlantic Sun had successfully kicked off then, the irony is that it would have had little impact in Sun Belt football prior to 2003, when Middle Tennessee began play, as it was largely the Big West refugees. It is quite possible the Sun Belt could have been snuffed out as a football league by 2005 as only Louisiana, ULM, Arkansas State, and North Texas remained; presumably one or more of them would be a candidate to replace UCF in the Alantic Sun (not to mention possibly accelerated upgrades at Western Kentucky or South Alabama).
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(02-16-2020 11:59 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  I don't know of that's a fair criticism of the Atlantic Sun for that era. Yes, they had Troy, UCF, and FAU. It would be years before Georgia State began play at any level. Jacksonville State would still have been ill-equipped to move to FBS. There were serious doubts as to whether JSU woul even remain open thanks to Alabama's idiot governor Fob James.

The only way I see the A-Sun could have pulled it off is if all of App State, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, and Georgia Southern would have been ready to go in that time frame:

UCF, FAU, GaSo, GaSt, CCU, App St, Troy

That only gives the A-Sun seven programs. The final piece would have been to flip FIU and Middle Tennessee from the Sun Belt to the A-Sun.

The only downside is that this would have given the Atlantic Sun 18 members for the 2002-03 campaign, only 9 of which played football. Even if you toss out Belmont (joined 2001) and Gardner-Webb (joined 2002), that still a 16-team league.

If the Atlantic Sun had successfully kicked off then, the irony is that it would have had little impact in Sun Belt football prior to 2003, when Middle Tennessee began play, as it was largely the Big West refugees. It is quite possible the Sun Belt could have been snuffed out as a football league by 2005 as only Louisiana, ULM, Arkansas State, and North Texas remained; presumably one or more of them would be a candidate to replace UCF in the Alantic Sun (not to mention possibly accelerated upgrades at Western Kentucky or South Alabama).

Depending on the timeline, Louisiana Tech might have been a target. Obviously the WAC was preferable, but they may have already have committed to the A-Sun at that time. It certainly would have worked out better geographically.

Several of the other programs you mention like Coastal Carolina were not ready for FBS then (and I'd argue, not really even FBS level now).

Most likely, you just short circuit Sun Belt football and end up with: UCF, FAU, FIU, MTSU, Louisiana Tech, Arkansas St., ULL, Troy St., and North Texas. The competitor here is the WAC, who needs to replace TCU (off to CUSA in 2001), so you probably lose LT, since the WAC is definitely stronger at that point and LT is probably trying to avoid being in a conference with ULL (and certainly ULM).
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I read an article circa 1991 that UCF withdrew from the Sun Belt due to not being allowed to have their own TV package. That’s pretty much the only reason they were in the TAAC/Atlantic Sun.
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I don't get this 20 team conference .
Could this be a way 2-3 conferences realign for tighter geography.
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(02-16-2020 06:10 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I don't get this 20 team conference .
Could this be a way 2-3 conferences realign for tighter geography.

Yes, 2 conferences, the ASUN and United Athletic Conference.


The ASUN would have 10-14 members

The UAC would only have 8.
Both conferences would be "Sister conferences" so to speak.
That is if the plan goes through.
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