(02-04-2020 07:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 01:35 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(02-02-2020 01:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Southern Conference schools will not join the UAC.
OVC schools will not join.
Southland schools will not join either. Why? It will be a downgrade in all sports. Those three conferences are the top conferences in football with multiple bids into the playoffs.

There were several schools from both MEAC and SWAC who can't play in the post season because of the bowl game between the two.

The Celebration Bowl only keeps the conference champions from both conferences from getting an at-large bid. SC State was in the running for an at-large bid this past season and NC A&T got an at-large bid back in 2016.

So, if a team from the MEAC or the SWAC wanted to go to the playoffs instead of the Celebration Bowl, all they would have to do would be to lose one game in conference, and then win out.

It's at large, it depends on OOC games won as well.
But theoretically, yes.

(02-04-2020 07:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 01:35 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(02-02-2020 01:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Southern Conference schools will not join the UAC.
OVC schools will not join.
Southland schools will not join either. Why? It will be a downgrade in all sports. Those three conferences are the top conferences in football with multiple bids into the playoffs.

There were several schools from both MEAC and SWAC who can't play in the post season because of the bowl game between the two.

The Celebration Bowl only keeps the conference champions from both conferences from getting an at-large bid. SC State was in the running for an at-large bid this past season and NC A&T got an at-large bid back in 2016.

So, if a team from the MEAC or the SWAC wanted to go to the playoffs instead of the Celebration Bowl, all they would have to do would be to lose one game in conference, and then win out.

They might still win the conference with one or two losses. They could lose two to three conference games (depending on the champion's final record), but then their at-large hopes would take a big blow unless they were perfect against a respectable OOC. And if anyone figured out that they were tanking regular-season games, getting into the FCS playoffs would quickly become the least of their concerns.

There's a road, but it's not one you would choose to take.

(02-04-2020 10:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 07:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 01:35 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(02-02-2020 01:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Southern Conference schools will not join the UAC.
OVC schools will not join.
Southland schools will not join either. Why? It will be a downgrade in all sports. Those three conferences are the top conferences in football with multiple bids into the playoffs.

There were several schools from both MEAC and SWAC who can't play in the post season because of the bowl game between the two.

The Celebration Bowl only keeps the conference champions from both conferences from getting an at-large bid. SC State was in the running for an at-large bid this past season and NC A&T got an at-large bid back in 2016.

So, if a team from the MEAC or the SWAC wanted to go to the playoffs instead of the Celebration Bowl, all they would have to do would be to lose one game in conference, and then win out.

They might still win the conference with one or two losses. They could lose two to three conference games (depending on the champion's final record), but then their at-large hopes would take a big blow unless they were perfect against a respectable OOC. And if anyone figured out that they were tanking regular-season games, getting into the FCS playoffs would quickly become the least of their concerns.

There's a road, but it's not one you would choose to take.

Can either conference champion get out of the bowl game or reject the invite? I know Hampton jumped ship a few years ago and joined the Big South is there any landing spots for other schools?(I don't think there's much interest in the schools)

(02-04-2020 11:32 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 10:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 07:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 01:35 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  [quote='DavidSt' pid='16649829' dateline='1580667129']
Southern Conference schools will not join the UAC.
OVC schools will not join.
Southland schools will not join either. Why? It will be a downgrade in all sports. Those three conferences are the top conferences in football with multiple bids into the playoffs.

There were several schools from both MEAC and SWAC who can't play in the post season because of the bowl game between the two.

The Celebration Bowl only keeps the conference champions from both conferences from getting an at-large bid. SC State was in the running for an at-large bid this past season and NC A&T got an at-large bid back in 2016.

So, if a team from the MEAC or the SWAC wanted to go to the playoffs instead of the Celebration Bowl, all they would have to do would be to lose one game in conference, and then win out.

They might still win the conference with one or two losses. They could lose two to three conference games (depending on the champion's final record), but then their at-large hopes would take a big blow unless they were perfect against a respectable OOC. And if anyone figured out that they were tanking regular-season games, getting into the FCS playoffs would quickly become the least of their concerns.

There's a road, but it's not one you would choose to take.

Can either conference champion get out of the bowl game or reject the invite? I know Hampton jumped ship a few years ago and joined the Big South is there any landing spots for other schools?(I don't think there's much interest in the schools)


I think they can opt to go to the playoffs. The winner of the MEAC and SWAC get an AQ spot if they choose not to play the Celebration Bowl if I'm not mistaken. But they would forfeit a large check from the bowl game.

Florida A&M and Bethune-Cookman is on an island in the MEAC. Those 2 and Alabama State and Alabama A&M to the UAC might work out for them.

North Alabama
Kennesaw State
Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Bethune-Cookman
Florida A&M

Maybe North Florida and FGCU adds football to go 8?

Call up Florida Tech, West Florida, Valdosta State and West Georgia later which would give you 12.
Chattanooga and ETSU with W. Carolina stays in Southern.
OVC schools stay put.

MEAC was supposed to get Morris Brown when Florida A&M left for FBS, but they got booted from the NCAAs when they lost accreditations. Savannah State went back to D2. The 2 Florida MEAC schools need a new home anyways.

If FAMU and B-C were to eschew their HBCU conference status it would make sense to be in the A-Sun, with 4 other Florida institutions, and fb affiliates of the AUC.

With that said, they may be perfectly happy where they are or could look at the SWAC if they are itching to move.

(02-05-2020 01:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Florida A&M and Bethune-Cookman is on an island in the MEAC. Those 2 and Alabama State and Alabama A&M to the UAC might work out for them.

North Alabama
Kennesaw State
Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Bethune-Cookman
Florida A&M

Maybe North Florida and FGCU adds football to go 8?

Call up Florida Tech, West Florida, Valdosta State and West Georgia later which would give you 12.
Chattanooga and ETSU with W. Carolina stays in Southern.
OVC schools stay put.

MEAC was supposed to get Morris Brown when Florida A&M left for FBS, but they got booted from the NCAAs when they lost accreditations. Savannah State went back to D2. The 2 Florida MEAC schools need a new home anyways.

The SWAC was supposed to get Mo-B not the MEAC.

(02-04-2020 11:32 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 10:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 07:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 01:35 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(02-02-2020 01:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Southern Conference schools will not join the UAC.
OVC schools will not join.
Southland schools will not join either. Why? It will be a downgrade in all sports. Those three conferences are the top conferences in football with multiple bids into the playoffs.

There were several schools from both MEAC and SWAC who can't play in the post season because of the bowl game between the two.

The Celebration Bowl only keeps the conference champions from both conferences from getting an at-large bid. SC State was in the running for an at-large bid this past season and NC A&T got an at-large bid back in 2016.

So, if a team from the MEAC or the SWAC wanted to go to the playoffs instead of the Celebration Bowl, all they would have to do would be to lose one game in conference, and then win out.

They might still win the conference with one or two losses. They could lose two to three conference games (depending on the champion's final record), but then their at-large hopes would take a big blow unless they were perfect against a respectable OOC. And if anyone figured out that they were tanking regular-season games, getting into the FCS playoffs would quickly become the least of their concerns.

There's a road, but it's not one you would choose to take.

Can either conference champion get out of the bowl game or reject the invite? I know Hampton jumped ship a few years ago and joined the Big South is there any landing spots for other schools?(I don't think there's much interest in the schools)

No. The contract obligates the conference champion to The Celebration Bowl.

If Bethune–Cookman leaves the MEAC anytime soon, it'll be due to closure.

(02-05-2020 02:12 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  If Bethune–Cookman leaves the MEAC anytime soon, it'll be due to closure.

This is more likely and their former President Edison Jackson is probably on his way to jail along with a few other of his associates.

I think you'll see us move from the MEAC from the Big South along with a few SWAC targets.

(01-25-2020 10:01 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 09:54 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here is the problem here.
1.No one from the Big South will leave.
2.No school from OVC will downgrade to this new conference.
3.No FBS schools will join.
4.Monmouth and Robert Morris will not join the southern schools.
5.Southland nor Tarleton State will join this mess.
6.Only schools that may jump would be MEAC schools which would not make 20.
7.No one from the MAAC will join.
8.For Stetson to go scholarship football? They need more football schools in the Southeast.
9.No Southern Conference schools will join.
10.Gulf South Conference, Peach Belt and Sunshine D2 conferences will be the ones filling up the 20 schools. The D2 football schools among the MEAC would get Stetson, UNF and FCGU to have scholarship football.

I agree with David 100% that no Big South school will join

Also, the Big South, as a conference, has zero incentive to drop football, like I said on page 1/2.

Except for the fact that the Big South is already planning to shut down. There will be no more Big South....

I want to circle back around to this nonsense.

(02-06-2020 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 10:01 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 09:54 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here is the problem here.
1.No one from the Big South will leave.
2.No school from OVC will downgrade to this new conference.
3.No FBS schools will join.
4.Monmouth and Robert Morris will not join the southern schools.
5.Southland nor Tarleton State will join this mess.
6.Only schools that may jump would be MEAC schools which would not make 20.
7.No one from the MAAC will join.
8.For Stetson to go scholarship football? They need more football schools in the Southeast.
9.No Southern Conference schools will join.
10.Gulf South Conference, Peach Belt and Sunshine D2 conferences will be the ones filling up the 20 schools. The D2 football schools among the MEAC would get Stetson, UNF and FCGU to have scholarship football.

I agree with David 100% that no Big South school will join

Also, the Big South, as a conference, has zero incentive to drop football, like I said on page 1/2.

Except for the fact that the Big South is already planning to shut down. There will be no more Big South....

I want to circle back around to this nonsense.

I am more correct in this thread than Lion. North Carolina A&T is the first domino to drop.

(02-06-2020 02:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 10:01 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 09:54 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here is the problem here.
1.No one from the Big South will leave.
2.No school from OVC will downgrade to this new conference.
3.No FBS schools will join.
4.Monmouth and Robert Morris will not join the southern schools.
5.Southland nor Tarleton State will join this mess.
6.Only schools that may jump would be MEAC schools which would not make 20.
7.No one from the MAAC will join.
8.For Stetson to go scholarship football? They need more football schools in the Southeast.
9.No Southern Conference schools will join.
10.Gulf South Conference, Peach Belt and Sunshine D2 conferences will be the ones filling up the 20 schools. The D2 football schools among the MEAC would get Stetson, UNF and FCGU to have scholarship football.

I agree with David 100% that no Big South school will join

Also, the Big South, as a conference, has zero incentive to drop football, like I said on page 1/2.

Except for the fact that the Big South is already planning to shut down. There will be no more Big South....

I want to circle back around to this nonsense.

I am more correct in this thread than Lion. North Carolina A&T is the first domino to drop.

I think you also said they would join the UAC...

Alright I'll play now

SoCon loses UTC and ETSU to the UAC
SoCon picks up Campbell and Gardner Webb
SoCon preserves their 9/10 format

Big South now had room for NC Central and Howard to compliment there latest 2 additions and stay at 12

(02-06-2020 04:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Alright I'll play now

SoCon loses UTC and ETSU to the UAC
SoCon picks up Campbell and Gardner Webb
SoCon preserves their 9/10 format

I don't think any of this happens, especially if it's dependent on ETSU moving.

People forget, ETSU was in the ASUN for a while and affiliated with a decent number of these schools. Everyone except a president who wanted ETSU to be Emory (read: athletics as irrelevant as possible) and his yes-man AD hated it. It was so bad, the current president made conference affiliation one of his foremost priorities when he took over the university. ETSU is happy in the SoCon knowing full well they're in a league with a bunch of private schools plus UTC and WCU (and UNCG, but I'm pretty sure no one likes them). There are still enough folks there who have worked under a Ted Gumbart regime or emphasized getting back to the SoCon that I think it's pretty unlikely they move.

There is a nonzero chance the ASUN's scheme doesn't work because they don't get enough schools together in the UAC to start a football championship.

(02-07-2020 05:18 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 04:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Alright I'll play now

SoCon loses UTC and ETSU to the UAC
SoCon picks up Campbell and Gardner Webb
SoCon preserves their 9/10 format

I don't think any of this happens, especially if it's dependent on ETSU moving.

People forget, ETSU was in the ASUN for a while and affiliated with a decent number of these schools. Everyone except a president who wanted ETSU to be Emory (read: athletics as irrelevant as possible) and his yes-man AD hated it. It was so bad, the current president made conference affiliation one of his foremost priorities when he took over the university. ETSU is happy in the SoCon knowing full well they're in a league with a bunch of private schools plus UTC and WCU (and UNCG, but I'm pretty sure no one likes them). There are still enough folks there who have worked under a Ted Gumbart regime or emphasized getting back to the SoCon that I think it's pretty unlikely they move.

There is a nonzero chance the ASUN's scheme doesn't work because they don't get enough schools together in the UAC to start a football championship.

I do remember that.

But this UAC gambit works it will be public FCS schools of the same ilk and misson as opposed to the island of misfit toys that was the ASun during ETSU's tenure

I'm trying to wrap my head around this UAC idea. I just have a hard time imagining anyone besides D2 schools, and perhaps some MEAC schools, going for it. Schools in the SoCon and Big South are in pretty secure spots. What would incentivize them to leave?

No one is going to leave the SoCon. Period. Not for the UAC.

The Big South now has five full members for Football starting in 2021 w/ Monmouth happy to tag along. The two schools being touted as leaving the Big South for Football wouldn't have enough sway to drag any others with them nor be a tipping point of collapse. The only way the UAC happens is with a few D2 move ups and whatever is left of a possible MEAC implosion. If the MEAC doesn't implode, there's no UAC.

(02-06-2020 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 10:01 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 09:54 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here is the problem here.
1.No one from the Big South will leave.
2.No school from OVC will downgrade to this new conference.
3.No FBS schools will join.
4.Monmouth and Robert Morris will not join the southern schools.
5.Southland nor Tarleton State will join this mess.
6.Only schools that may jump would be MEAC schools which would not make 20.
7.No one from the MAAC will join.
8.For Stetson to go scholarship football? They need more football schools in the Southeast.
9.No Southern Conference schools will join.
10.Gulf South Conference, Peach Belt and Sunshine D2 conferences will be the ones filling up the 20 schools. The D2 football schools among the MEAC would get Stetson, UNF and FCGU to have scholarship football.

I agree with David 100% that no Big South school will join

Also, the Big South, as a conference, has zero incentive to drop football, like I said on page 1/2.

Except for the fact that the Big South is already planning to shut down. There will be no more Big South....

I want to circle back around to this nonsense.

What this guy said. I want to work this question like a loose tooth--why exactly is the Big South--who just picked up an FCS power--supposed to drop football exactly?