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RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC
(01-22-2020 04:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(01-22-2020 03:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I don't think the MW statement about not paying the bonus after 2025 is the real issue here. Until the MW actually stops paying the bonus, those are just words and Boise has suffered no harm. It's like if I have a divorce settlement that calls for me to pay $2000 a month to my ex, and I tell her starting next month I'm not paying, she can't complain to the judge until i actually miss a payment. And so far, the MW hasn't missed a payment.

So I think the real issue is Boise's desire to get *more* than the $1.8m bonus in the new TV deal. If I read the suit correctly, Boise is saying that because the new deal is worth a lot more than the old deal, that Boise should get their bonus increased as well. Boise seems to be saying that this was agreed to by MW officials, but now the MW isn't going along.

Boise doesn't give an exact amount of an increase they want, but doing some math:

If the current deal is for $13m a year, and Boise gets $1.8m off the top and then everyone gets approximately $1.1m after that (including Boise), then Boise's bonus is about 13% of the value of the deal.

The new announced deal is for $45m annually, so 14% of that would be over $6m dollars! And that's just the bonus, Boise then would get a full regular share, same as every other MW school save Hawaii.

Boise might be thinking it deserves to be paid about $9m in media money from the new deal, with everyone else making around $3m.

The immediate problem seems to be not only the bonus payment--but that Boise State was not provided the details regarding the sale of the rights to their home and away games as the re-entry agreement outlined. The MWC negotiated and agreed on the new TV deal without provided Boise State those details. So could they legally call into question the validity of the new TV deal--saying that the MWC didn't get consent of all parties as required before signing the deal? Using that as leverage to get what they feel they were promised in their re-entry contract...

Boise's lawyers claim that material terms were not disclosed. It may or may not be true. You would think they would have insisted on a delay until all the terms were known. But then the MWC has always been dysfunctional.

They claim the terms were not disclosed and that contractually no TV deal can be signed off on without their approval and that they never signed off on the deal. Shouldn't be very hard to figure out if their alleged fact pattern is true.
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(01-22-2020 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.

Of course, but even though they would at least have double than what they get now.

not so sure about that. If Boise went to the AAC and took San Diego St for instance with them- that's going to severely damage the MWC.

Dangerous game of chicken the MWC is playing here.

Unless Craig Thompson really pulled something, its Boise who playing a dangerous game of chicken. MWC will still be the #2 G5, just not as far ahead of #3. Boise could find itself having to join Idaho in the Big Sky in 20 years.
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(01-22-2020 04:53 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:19 PM)f1do Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I don't think the MW statement about not paying the bonus after 2025 is the real issue here. Until the MW actually stops paying the bonus, those are just words and Boise has suffered no harm. It's like if I have a divorce settlement that calls for me to pay $2000 a month to my ex, and I tell her starting next month I'm not paying, she can't complain to the judge until i actually miss a payment. And so far, the MW hasn't missed a payment.

So I think the real issue is Boise's desire to get *more* than the $1.8m bonus in the new TV deal. If I read the suit correctly, Boise is saying that because the new deal is worth a lot more than the old deal, that Boise should get their bonus increased as well. Boise seems to be saying that this was agreed to by MW officials, but now the MW isn't going along.

Boise doesn't give an exact amount of an increase they want, but doing some math:

If the current deal is for $13m a year, and Boise gets $1.8m off the top and then everyone gets approximately $1.1m after that (including Boise), then Boise's bonus is about 13% of the value of the deal.

The new announced deal is for $45m annually, so 14% of that would be over $6m dollars! And that's just the bonus, Boise then would get a full regular share, same as every other MW school save Hawaii.

Boise might be thinking it deserves to be paid about $9m in media money from the new deal, with everyone else making around $3m.

The immediate problem seems to be not only the bonus payment--but that Boise State was not provided the details regarding the sale of the rights to their home and away games as the re-entry agreement outlined. The MWC negotiated and agreed on the new TV deal without provided Boise State those details. So could they legally call into question the validity of the new TV deal--saying that the MWC didn't get consent of all parties as required before signing the deal? Using that as leverage to get what they feel they were promised in their re-entry contract...

Boise's lawyers claim that material terms were not disclosed. It may or may not be true. You would think they would have insisted on a delay until all the terms were known. But then the MWC has always been dysfunctional.

They claim the terms were not disclosed and that contractually no TV deal can be signed off on without their approval and that they never signed off on the deal. Shouldn't be very hard to figure out if their alleged fact pattern is true.

What are "material" terms? Not always clear.
Do they have a veto on the TV deal or only on their portion? Legal question and potentially not clear.
Never signed off on deal. That one part is an easily verifiable fact.
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If their big problem is they're getting a bigger piece of the pie than their conference mates and they still want to eat more off of their plates, then maybe the MWC should let them try their hand at independence. They should look to the Big 12 if they want to see what happens when you go full Longhorn.
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(01-22-2020 05:03 PM)Mav Wrote:  If their big problem is they're getting a bigger piece of the pie than their conference mates and they still want to eat more off of their plates, then maybe the MWC should let them try their hand at independence. They should look to the Big 12 if they want to see what happens when you go full Longhorn.

Texas never got a special deal or a guarantee. There was a contract where schools with more appearances got more money. Some years Texas got the most. Some years Oklahoma got the most. At least once, Kansas got the most.

The only P5 schools I know of asking for a guarantee were USC and UCLA (got a minimum when the Pac expanded-turned out to be irrelevant as the deal was better than the minimum) and Texas A&M who asked for (but didn't get) a $20 million guarantee after Pac 16 deal fell apart. The rest of the conference refused, including Texas and Oklahoma who were offered that by the schools who weren't leaving.
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(01-22-2020 04:44 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:38 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
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(01-22-2020 03:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Looks like the rest of the MW is looking for a way to make Boise's pay equal to the rest of the conference, and the commissioner is in on it.

Boise will end up with another conference arrangement before this is through.

The joke's on Boise. The way Boise handled themselves with the Big East/AAC didn't do them any favors. So, if Boise's going somewhere else, it won't be lateral or higher in terms of conference prestige.

Plus, the way Boise tried publicly lobbying for Big Sky and Big West inclusion to park their olympic sports, as well as how the school pretty much labeled anything not as football as second-class?

Someone's forcing Boise's hand in terms of leverage. And they know Boise's sitting on a **** hand.

Indy football, WAC ollies. Calling it now.


I could see the AAC offer a lifeline to their football. 11 teams right now getting to 12 with the best football program available which instantly makes any P6 idea far more credible.

AFA, BYU, and even SDSU (still) offer that same credibility. When the AAC did that before, Boise strung them out and then skipped on paying. The conference sued Boise. SDSU handled their business better.

Boise really showed who and what they really are/were in that whole thing. It was putrid.

And I don't think Boise have themselves in check were they to inquire to the AAC. They'd want what Navy has. But Boise is no Navy.

What exactly do you think Navy has in the AAC?

The AAC-CBSSN deal for Navy's homegames was negotiated separately because Navy's previous independent TV deal expired prior to the 2019 season, rather than after it like the REST of the AAC media rights.

My understanding is it was first offered to the then-AAC-primary-media-rights holder, but they were not that interested (Admittedly, probably because Navy's membership agreement with the BigEast/AAC required Navy home games to be on Saturdays. We have DC metro rush hour issues on Thurs-Fri evenings and neighbor relationship issues all the time). On Saturday afternoon, Navy content didn't move the needle for ESPN, but CBSSN was very interested.
Throwing the even-year Notre Dame games and one NMCMS game each year into the inventory subsequently negotiated with the primary rights shows a great deal of difference from Boise's position of separately negotiating their home inventory.
The money from the "Navy tier" goes into the conference coffers.
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Negotiations sure can turn messy when one side is advised that they have to bring a lawsuit to keep hold of some of the cards they are holding.

Seems likely Boise State wants "proportionate" to mean pro-rata with their current share, while the balance of the membership likely want it to mean proportionate to something else. With the possibility of an AAC spot looming, it also seems likely that Boise State will end up getting a larger bonus than would be the first preference of some of their conference mates.
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(01-22-2020 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:48 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.

Of course, but even though they would at least have double than what they get now.

not so sure about that. If Boise went to the AAC and took San Diego St for instance with them- that's going to severely damage the MWC.

Dangerous game of chicken the MWC is playing here.

Unless Craig Thompson really pulled something, its Boise who playing a dangerous game of chicken. MWC will still be the #2 G5, just not as far ahead of #3. Boise could find itself having to join Idaho in the Big Sky in 20 years.

MWC might be #2, but the gap between them and #1 is pretty much just like the other 3 to the AAC.... If Boise went to the AAC, the AAC would get the G5 spot pretty much every single year- even moreso than it is now. The MWC would become an afterthought in football.

Also, if SDSU goes with them, that destroys MWC basketball. Right now SDSU is #2 in the NET. The next highest team is Utah St at #77.
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(01-22-2020 06:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.

Of course, but even though they would at least have double than what they get now.

not so sure about that. If Boise went to the AAC and took San Diego St for instance with them- that's going to severely damage the MWC.

Dangerous game of chicken the MWC is playing here.

Unless Craig Thompson really pulled something, its Boise who playing a dangerous game of chicken. MWC will still be the #2 G5, just not as far ahead of #3. Boise could find itself having to join Idaho in the Big Sky in 20 years.

MWC might be #2, but the gap between them and #1 is pretty much just like the other 3 to the AAC.... If Boise went to the AAC, the AAC would get the G5 spot pretty much every single year- even moreso than it is now. The MWC would become an afterthought in football.

Also, if SDSU goes with them, that destroys MWC basketball. Right now SDSU is #2 in the NET. The next highest team is Utah St at #77.

Why would the AAC add SDSU? They won’t get any further value by going to 14 teams.
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(01-22-2020 06:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Of course, but even though they would at least have double than what they get now.

not so sure about that. If Boise went to the AAC and took San Diego St for instance with them- that's going to severely damage the MWC.

Dangerous game of chicken the MWC is playing here.

Unless Craig Thompson really pulled something, its Boise who playing a dangerous game of chicken. MWC will still be the #2 G5, just not as far ahead of #3. Boise could find itself having to join Idaho in the Big Sky in 20 years.

MWC might be #2, but the gap between them and #1 is pretty much just like the other 3 to the AAC.... If Boise went to the AAC, the AAC would get the G5 spot pretty much every single year- even moreso than it is now. The MWC would become an afterthought in football.

Also, if SDSU goes with them, that destroys MWC basketball. Right now SDSU is #2 in the NET. The next highest team is Utah St at #77.

Why would the AAC add SDSU? They won’t get any further value by going to 14 teams.

To build a bit of a western wing. Also would help in basketball even if SDSU doesn't join the conference as there would likely be 2-4 games required in basketball.

Could wind up being a real stupid move by Thompson.
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(01-22-2020 06:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  not so sure about that. If Boise went to the AAC and took San Diego St for instance with them- that's going to severely damage the MWC.

Dangerous game of chicken the MWC is playing here.

Unless Craig Thompson really pulled something, its Boise who playing a dangerous game of chicken. MWC will still be the #2 G5, just not as far ahead of #3. Boise could find itself having to join Idaho in the Big Sky in 20 years.

MWC might be #2, but the gap between them and #1 is pretty much just like the other 3 to the AAC.... If Boise went to the AAC, the AAC would get the G5 spot pretty much every single year- even moreso than it is now. The MWC would become an afterthought in football.

Also, if SDSU goes with them, that destroys MWC basketball. Right now SDSU is #2 in the NET. The next highest team is Utah St at #77.

Why would the AAC add SDSU? They won’t get any further value by going to 14 teams.

To build a bit of a western wing. Also would help in basketball even if SDSU doesn't join the conference as there would likely be 2-4 games required in basketball.

Could wind up being a real stupid move by Thompson.

There is not enough $$ for the AAC to do that.

But OK, say your premise is valid. The MW still is at 10/9. Still a single bid conference and still has a TV contract that is better than before and still has a CCG.
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(01-22-2020 06:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  Unless Craig Thompson really pulled something, its Boise who playing a dangerous game of chicken. MWC will still be the #2 G5, just not as far ahead of #3. Boise could find itself having to join Idaho in the Big Sky in 20 years.

MWC might be #2, but the gap between them and #1 is pretty much just like the other 3 to the AAC.... If Boise went to the AAC, the AAC would get the G5 spot pretty much every single year- even moreso than it is now. The MWC would become an afterthought in football.

Also, if SDSU goes with them, that destroys MWC basketball. Right now SDSU is #2 in the NET. The next highest team is Utah St at #77.

Why would the AAC add SDSU? They won’t get any further value by going to 14 teams.

To build a bit of a western wing. Also would help in basketball even if SDSU doesn't join the conference as there would likely be 2-4 games required in basketball.

Could wind up being a real stupid move by Thompson.

There is not enough $$ for the AAC to do that.

But OK, say your premise is valid. The MW still is at 10/9. Still a single bid conference and still has a TV contract that is better than before and still has a CCG.

TV deal wouldn't at that point be better than before. At all. For one the number of conference games would drop from 48 to at most 45(if they go total round robin) or 40(if they keep the 8 conference games). And Basketball is much worse than before with fewer games.
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(01-22-2020 05:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Negotiations sure can turn messy when one side is advised that they have to bring a lawsuit to keep hold of some of the cards they are holding.

Seems likely Boise State wants "proportionate" to mean pro-rata with their current share, while the balance of the membership likely want it to mean proportionate to something else. With the possibility of an AAC spot looming, it also seems likely that Boise State will end up getting a larger bonus than would be the first preference of some of their conference mates.

I personally did not see this coming. The lawsuit changes everything. Now I can see a divorce coming soon. In the short run, it will hurt the MWC. In the long run, I think the MWC will win this battle. I think Boise State is going to lose a lot of California recruits. They would have to make up for it in improved Texas recruiting. Plus, the AAC will be a challenge for them.

If this happens, MWC basketball will not be affected and they will probably stay at 11 for football until they find an acceptable alternative to Boise State. It is not something that they would need to rush into.
Financially, the big question is the TV contract. Does Fox and CBS want the MWC without Boise State football? How much TV revenue per school?
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(01-22-2020 06:51 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 05:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Negotiations sure can turn messy when one side is advised that they have to bring a lawsuit to keep hold of some of the cards they are holding.

Seems likely Boise State wants "proportionate" to mean pro-rata with their current share, while the balance of the membership likely want it to mean proportionate to something else. With the possibility of an AAC spot looming, it also seems likely that Boise State will end up getting a larger bonus than would be the first preference of some of their conference mates.

I personally did not see this coming. The lawsuit changes everything. Now I can see a divorce coming soon. In the short run, it will hurt the MWC. In the long run, I think the MWC will win this battle. I think Boise State is going to lose a lot of California recruits. They would have to make up for it in improved Texas recruiting. Plus, the AAC will be a challenge for them.

If this happens, MWC basketball will not be affected and they will probably stay at 11 for football until they find an acceptable alternative to Boise State. It is not something that they would need to rush into.
Financially, the big question is the TV contract. Does Fox and CBS want the MWC without Boise State football? How much TV revenue per school?

I think the real X factor is San Diego St. The AAC was very friendly with SDSU and they left on really good terms. It would be really easy to see the AAC getting both of those. And that then totally impacts the basketball- both takes them down to only 9 teams(so only 16 games round robin) and also takes away by far their best team(only team in top 75 in the NET right now).
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(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.

CBS, FOX, and the MWC Commissioner have all publicly stated that Boise State is THE primary driver behind the value of the MWC media rights deal. The deal itself includes special rights and special clauses for Boise State's home AND away game inventory.
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(01-22-2020 06:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:51 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 05:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Negotiations sure can turn messy when one side is advised that they have to bring a lawsuit to keep hold of some of the cards they are holding.

Seems likely Boise State wants "proportionate" to mean pro-rata with their current share, while the balance of the membership likely want it to mean proportionate to something else. With the possibility of an AAC spot looming, it also seems likely that Boise State will end up getting a larger bonus than would be the first preference of some of their conference mates.

I personally did not see this coming. The lawsuit changes everything. Now I can see a divorce coming soon. In the short run, it will hurt the MWC. In the long run, I think the MWC will win this battle. I think Boise State is going to lose a lot of California recruits. They would have to make up for it in improved Texas recruiting. Plus, the AAC will be a challenge for them.

If this happens, MWC basketball will not be affected and they will probably stay at 11 for football until they find an acceptable alternative to Boise State. It is not something that they would need to rush into.
Financially, the big question is the TV contract. Does Fox and CBS want the MWC without Boise State football? How much TV revenue per school?

I think the real X factor is San Diego St. The AAC was very friendly with SDSU and they left on really good terms. It would be really easy to see the AAC getting both of those. And that then totally impacts the basketball- both takes them down to only 9 teams(so only 16 games round robin) and also takes away by far their best team(only team in top 75 in the NET right now).

If the CBS/FOX deal is worth $45M, I could easily see ESPN justify $21M+ for just Boise State, SDSU, and Air Force as part of an AAC expansion.

ESPN and the AAC (and Boise, SDSU, & Air Force) could all come out ahead compared to what might have been had ESPN matched the full CBS/FOX offer to the MWC.
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(01-22-2020 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:51 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 05:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Negotiations sure can turn messy when one side is advised that they have to bring a lawsuit to keep hold of some of the cards they are holding.

Seems likely Boise State wants "proportionate" to mean pro-rata with their current share, while the balance of the membership likely want it to mean proportionate to something else. With the possibility of an AAC spot looming, it also seems likely that Boise State will end up getting a larger bonus than would be the first preference of some of their conference mates.

I personally did not see this coming. The lawsuit changes everything. Now I can see a divorce coming soon. In the short run, it will hurt the MWC. In the long run, I think the MWC will win this battle. I think Boise State is going to lose a lot of California recruits. They would have to make up for it in improved Texas recruiting. Plus, the AAC will be a challenge for them.

If this happens, MWC basketball will not be affected and they will probably stay at 11 for football until they find an acceptable alternative to Boise State. It is not something that they would need to rush into.
Financially, the big question is the TV contract. Does Fox and CBS want the MWC without Boise State football? How much TV revenue per school?

I think the real X factor is San Diego St. The AAC was very friendly with SDSU and they left on really good terms. It would be really easy to see the AAC getting both of those. And that then totally impacts the basketball- both takes them down to only 9 teams(so only 16 games round robin) and also takes away by far their best team(only team in top 75 in the NET right now).

If the CBS/FOX deal is worth $45M, I could easily see ESPN justify $21M+ for just Boise State, SDSU, and Air Force as part of an AAC expansion.

ESPN and the AAC (and Boise, SDSU, & Air Force) could all come out ahead compared to what might have been had ESPN matched the full CBS/FOX offer to the MWC.

Yep. And with those 3 you can even think about adding Boise/SDSU for everything- eastern teams can easily do a Thursday/Saturday type of thing doubling up the road games. Air Force wouldn't- but they wouldn't have a problem finding somewhere to play.
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RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC
(01-22-2020 07:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 06:51 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 05:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Negotiations sure can turn messy when one side is advised that they have to bring a lawsuit to keep hold of some of the cards they are holding.

Seems likely Boise State wants "proportionate" to mean pro-rata with their current share, while the balance of the membership likely want it to mean proportionate to something else. With the possibility of an AAC spot looming, it also seems likely that Boise State will end up getting a larger bonus than would be the first preference of some of their conference mates.

I personally did not see this coming. The lawsuit changes everything. Now I can see a divorce coming soon. In the short run, it will hurt the MWC. In the long run, I think the MWC will win this battle. I think Boise State is going to lose a lot of California recruits. They would have to make up for it in improved Texas recruiting. Plus, the AAC will be a challenge for them.

If this happens, MWC basketball will not be affected and they will probably stay at 11 for football until they find an acceptable alternative to Boise State. It is not something that they would need to rush into.
Financially, the big question is the TV contract. Does Fox and CBS want the MWC without Boise State football? How much TV revenue per school?

I think the real X factor is San Diego St. The AAC was very friendly with SDSU and they left on really good terms. It would be really easy to see the AAC getting both of those. And that then totally impacts the basketball- both takes them down to only 9 teams(so only 16 games round robin) and also takes away by far their best team(only team in top 75 in the NET right now).

If the CBS/FOX deal is worth $45M, I could easily see ESPN justify $21M+ for just Boise State, SDSU, and Air Force as part of an AAC expansion.

ESPN and the AAC (and Boise, SDSU, & Air Force) could all come out ahead compared to what might have been had ESPN matched the full CBS/FOX offer to the MWC.

Yep. And with those 3 you can even think about adding Boise/SDSU for everything- eastern teams can easily do a Thursday/Saturday type of thing doubling up the road games. Air Force wouldn't- but they wouldn't have a problem finding somewhere to play.

What type of bonus do you think Boise would want from the AAC?
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RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC
Boise State did not sue the MWC. They filed a complaint.

Here's the joint statement from Boise State and the MWC

https://twitter.com/KTVBSportsGuy/status...2965777408

https://twitter.com/KTVBSportsGuy/status...3431688192
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