The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ball-bonus

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

IIRC the joint statement about discussions preceded the new information about MW rescinding and Boise dropping its complaint and agreeing to the new deal, as we have known about that joint statement for a while now. Thus, the inference is that it was the discussions referred to in the statement that have led to this new development, namely the MW rescinding its vote and Boise dropping its complaint and agreeing to the deal.

I am sure Boise would love to get a bigger bonus, but the article is saying that, in exchange for the MW rescinding its vote to remove the bonus as of 2025, Boise is agreeing to drop the complaint and agree to the deal, a deal that to our knowledge does not include an increased bonus. That's what the articles says. Whether it is correct or not we don't know as neither the MW or Boise have officially announced it.

Nothing really changed. BSU is getting the $1.8 million bonus as it would anyway and the MW has a CBS/ Fox contract.
I doubt this has been resolved. In 5 years, this will rear it’s ugly head again.

(01-28-2020 07:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  At the end of the day Boise and the MWC will kiss and make up. And the next big fight will happen when the next contract happens in 6 years. The AAC will continue to separate from the MWC, and move forward. Most likely with 12 FB schools in the mix. I have no idea who #12 will be, but doubt it will be Boise.

The profit has spoken...

(02-07-2020 08:36 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Nothing really changed. BSU is getting the $1.8 million bonus as it would anyway and the MW has a CBS/ Fox contract.
I doubt this has been resolved. In 5 years, this will rear it’s ugly head again.

Yes, for now, the nice boost in the new TV deal is providing enough new money for everyone to not being willing to go to war and blow up the conference over the disagreement.

But I agree, there is a major rift here as the MW schools clearly want to end the bonus while Boise wants to increase it, so that is likely to rear up again the next time around. Or maybe not, as maybe things will have changed between now and then.

(02-07-2020 09:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:36 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Nothing really changed. BSU is getting the $1.8 million bonus as it would anyway and the MW has a CBS/ Fox contract.
I doubt this has been resolved. In 5 years, this will rear it’s ugly head again.

Yes, for now, the nice boost in the new TV deal is providing enough new money for everyone to not being willing to go to war and blow up the conference over the disagreement.

But I agree, there is a major rift here as the MW schools clearly want to end the bonus while Boise wants to increase it, so that is likely to rear up again the next time around. Or maybe not, as maybe things will have changed between now and then.

Still I’ll wait for an announcement from the MW and/or BSU.

Kumbaya

(02-07-2020 08:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

IIRC the joint statement about discussions preceded the new information

I thought this was the first we were hearing about the joint statement, but it's referenced in the Idaho Statesman Jan 22 if I have the right link.

Quote:about MW rescinding and Boise dropping its complaint and agreeing to the new deal, as we have known about that joint statement for a while now.

The joint statement is old, in the context of Boise's lawsuit. But that means the language is overtaken by events.

Quote:Thus, the inference is that it was the discussions referred to in the statement that have led to this new development, namely the MW rescinding its vote and Boise dropping its complaint and agreeing to the deal.

Agreed. The discussions were underway by Jan 22, they have now reached an agreement on a truce--MWC rescinds the vote, Boise drops the lawsuit.

Quote:I am sure Boise would love to get a bigger bonus, but the article is saying that, in exchange for the MW rescinding its vote to remove the bonus as of 2025, Boise is agreeing to drop the complaint and agree to the deal, a deal that to our knowledge does not include an increased bonus. That's what the articles says. Whether it is correct or not we don't know as neither the MW or Boise have officially announced it.

Pretty much agreed. Boise State would like a bigger bonus, but the legal situation is now reversed. Before, the MWC wanted various things, and Boise State pointed to the black-letter text of the contract and said "This, and not a penny less." Now the MWC is pointing to the text and saying "This, and not a penny more."

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

They just postponed the fight. What they voted on before was unnecessary. Its 6 years down the road.

(02-07-2020 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

They just postponed the fight. What they voted on before was unnecessary. Its 6 years down the road.

They had the initial skirmish. The loser-and-haters came at Boise, tried to muscle Boise. Boise called them on it and they backed down.

There will probably be a rematch in 6 years. But this confrontation happened, the MWC tried to buffalo Boise State into accepting the end of the Reentry Agreement, and Boise stood up to them successfully.

(02-07-2020 10:46 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

They just postponed the fight. What they voted on before was unnecessary. Its 6 years down the road.

They had the initial skirmish. The loser-and-haters came at Boise, tried to muscle Boise. Boise called them on it and they backed down.

There will probably be a rematch in 6 years. But this confrontation happened, the MWC tried to buffalo Boise State into accepting the end of the Reentry Agreement, and Boise stood up to them successfully.

Frankly, the whole episode is odd. The MW never had a winning legal case. The only thing that made sense was that the schools had had enough with the deal and were going to rid themselves of it regardless of the consequences. Instead, they caved in a few days and reverse the decision to end the deal. Now that we know the conclusion, the whole nasty episode makes even less sense. Maybe with Kustra gone, the MW members thought there was a chance the new Boise president might be an easy pushover? Honesty—this decision by the membership to press episode so hard in the MW meetings just doesn’t make sense now that we know the outcome.

(02-07-2020 11:52 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 10:46 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

They just postponed the fight. What they voted on before was unnecessary. Its 6 years down the road.

They had the initial skirmish. The loser-and-haters came at Boise, tried to muscle Boise. Boise called them on it and they backed down.

There will probably be a rematch in 6 years. But this confrontation happened, the MWC tried to buffalo Boise State into accepting the end of the Reentry Agreement, and Boise stood up to them successfully.

Frankly, the whole episode is odd. The MW never had a winning legal case. The only thing that made sense was that the schools had had enough with the deal and were going to rid themselves of it regardless of the consequences. Instead, they caved in a few days and reverse the decision to end the deal. Now that we know the conclusion, the whole nasty episode makes even little sense. Maybe with Kustra gone, the MW members thought there was a chance the new Boise president might be an easy pushover? Honesty—this decision to by the membership to press episode so hard in the MW meetings just doesn’t make sense now that we know the outcome.

Nothing that either side did now makes any difference in 6 years.
Maybe it was all about football recruiting. It gets resolved after signing day.

So BSU might have received word that the AAC wasn’t interested in BSU and/or BSU couldn’t find a decent landing spot for the Olympic sports.
Hence both backed off and postponed in 5 years.

(02-07-2020 10:46 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The MWC and members have reversed their decision on Boise and BSU will be dropping lawsuit.

Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

They just postponed the fight. What they voted on before was unnecessary. Its 6 years down the road.

They had the initial skirmish. The loser-and-haters came at Boise, tried to muscle Boise. Boise called them on it and they backed down.

There will probably be a rematch in 6 years. But this confrontation happened, the MWC tried to buffalo Boise State into accepting the end of the Reentry Agreement, and Boise stood up to them successfully.

It was bad timing for the anti-Boise contingent to bring this out into the open when they did. The schools probably felt some pressure to confirm that they were going forward with the new Fox/CBS contract, and dropped the dispute for now to reassure the TV networks. The rest of the MWC will hope that Boise is in a weaker position a few years down the road.

(02-07-2020 12:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 10:46 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 08:08 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Smart move by the MW to rescind the vote to 'terminate' the bonus, as that clearly was a contract breach. And if Boise is going to vote to accept the contract, that *seems* to mean they are backing down from their demand for an increased bonus.

I wouldn't be so sure that BSD Boise State isn't still pushing for more money.

Quote:The Mountain West and Boise State subsequently issued a joint statement saying the two sides “are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.”

"Bringing this matter to a resolution," not "this matter is resolved.

Regardless, Boise STate won, the haters-and-losers caucus of the MWC lost.

They just postponed the fight. What they voted on before was unnecessary. Its 6 years down the road.

They had the initial skirmish. The loser-and-haters came at Boise, tried to muscle Boise. Boise called them on it and they backed down.

There will probably be a rematch in 6 years. But this confrontation happened, the MWC tried to buffalo Boise State into accepting the end of the Reentry Agreement, and Boise stood up to them successfully.

It was bad timing for the anti-Boise contingent to bring this out into the open when they did. The schools probably felt some pressure to confirm that they were going forward with the new Fox/CBS contract, and dropped the dispute for now to reassure the TV networks. The rest of the MWC will hope that Boise is in a weaker position a few years down the road.

Maybe----but its not like they didnt know the timing or the situation going into the decision. Despite that---two schools were willing to take the dispute to an even higher level by voting to end the deal immediately. Regardless of the outcome---the one thing we can take away from the incident is that there is wide spread tremendous resentment of the special Boise deal roiling just beneath the surface in the MW---and that will continue to fester regardless of any unity preaching joint statement that gets issued in the aftermath of this dispute.

(02-07-2020 12:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So BSU might have received word that the AAC wasn’t interested in BSU and/or BSU couldn’t find a decent landing spot for the Olympic sports.
Hence both backed off and postponed in 5 years.

I dont think so. Boise didnt cave---the MW did. I mean, Boise didnt get an increase in their bonus---but they never had much of a true legal right to an increase. On the other hand, everywhere the law favored Boise---the MW caved. Which begs the question---Why make such determined divisive push for this in the MW meetings (especially when you know your legal case for the motion is a loser) if your just going to cave in a few days? Again---the whole episode just seems odd and ill considered. I just cant figure out what the MW presidents were thinking. Its almost as if the presidents acted emotionally...and then had to walk it back.

(02-07-2020 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 12:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So BSU might have received word that the AAC wasn’t interested in BSU and/or BSU couldn’t find a decent landing spot for the Olympic sports.
Hence both backed off and postponed in 5 years.

I dont think so. Boise didnt cave---the MW did. I mean, Boise didnt get an increase in their bonus---but they never had much of a true legal right to an increase. On the hand, everywhere the law favored them---the MW caved. Which begs the question---Why make such determined divisive push for this in the MW meetings if your just going to cave in a few days? Again---the whole episode just seems odd. I just cant figure out what the MW presidents were thinking.

Don’t think they caved....just postponed.

(02-07-2020 12:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 12:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So BSU might have received word that the AAC wasn’t interested in BSU and/or BSU couldn’t find a decent landing spot for the Olympic sports.
Hence both backed off and postponed in 5 years.

I dont think so. Boise didnt cave---the MW did. I mean, Boise didnt get an increase in their bonus---but they never had much of a true legal right to an increase. On the hand, everywhere the law favored them---the MW caved. Which begs the question---Why make such determined divisive push for this in the MW meetings if your just going to cave in a few days? Again---the whole episode just seems odd. I just cant figure out what the MW presidents were thinking.

Don’t think they caved....just postponed.

Perhaps---but this would further undermine any attempt to do the same thing later as this is now the THIRD time the MW has acknowledged and agreed to the terms of the deal.