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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-22-2020 09:23 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(01-21-2020 08:47 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The ACC was built by ESPN, and it’s not working, ESPN is paying so much more money for nothing much in return
Pac-12 is sinking under the waves and will continue to be a really bad autonomous conference to be paying big money
ACC is also a bad autonomous conference losing on all fronts, soon these two conferences will lose the big tv payouts

Meanwhile the AAC is the real deal and fans know it, fan support within the AAC has been on a steady rise sense day one
AAC simply fields a better product with a lot less money that fans want to watch, nobody wants to watch teams in the pac or the ACC play each other, so many loser teams that make huge money with nothing to show for it


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Yeah, the AAC is the real deal, even though it's a geographically disparate mishmash of ambitious schools with little connection to one another and any member would leave the others behind in a split second on the off chance an actual power conference were to come calling.

Geographic mishmash of ambitious schools with little connection to one another? That could be the ACC with the Old Big East, the ACC core, and independent Florida State, but further segregated by basketball first vs football first with the hybrid of Louisville.
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(01-22-2020 09:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:23 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 02:22 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:47 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The ACC was built by ESPN, and it’s not working, ESPN is paying so much more money for nothing much in return
Pac-12 is sinking under the waves and will continue to be a really bad autonomous conference to be paying big money
ACC is also a bad autonomous conference losing on all fronts, soon these two conferences will lose the big tv payouts

Meanwhile the AAC is the real deal and fans know it, fan support within the AAC has been on a steady rise sense day one
AAC simply fields a better product with a lot less money that fans want to watch, nobody wants to watch teams in the pac or the ACC play each other, so many loser teams that make huge money with nothing to show for it


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Yeah, the AAC is the real deal, even though it's a geographically disparate mishmash of ambitious schools with little connection to one another and any member would leave the others behind in a split second on the off chance an actual power conference were to come calling.

Geographic mishmash of ambitious schools with little connection to one another? That could be the ACC with the Old Big East, the ACC core, and independent Florida State, but further segregated by basketball first vs football first with the hybrid of Louisville.

I didn't say the ACC wasn't a mishmash. There's a bit more cohesion there though.
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The pacific 12 has more traditional cohesion than the ACC ever will but still these two autonomous conferences are the canarys in the mine shaft to doom, the AAC on the other hand is totally gaining cohesion and it’s fun to watch and be a fan of and of its future, the future of college football
I’ve seen the future for these two autonomous conferences and I’d leave it all behind
Player compensation is the new sheriff thats on his way into town
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(01-23-2020 06:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The pacific 12 has more traditional cohesion than the ACC ever will but still these two autonomous conferences are the canarys in the mine shaft to doom, the AAC on the other hand is totally gaining cohesion and it’s fun to watch and be a fan of and of its future, the future of college football
I’ve seen the future for these two autonomous conferences and I’d leave it all behind
Player compensation is the new sheriff thats on his way into town

The AAC has the same cohesion that the Big East football schools had 10 years ago, it's based on a chip on the shoulder, nobody respects us mentality.

But that's a kind of 'negative' cohesion that can only take you so far, and as others have noted, it falls apart instantly as soon as something better comes along for a given school.
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I enjoy following AAC football — and the progress has been very solid (if not strong).

But there is a mishmash (as some posted) quality that remains a bit concerning. Now maybe that can be used as an advantage if the league stays intact long-term.

The old Big East had some anchor programs (VaTech and Miami) that I'm hoping the AAC can develop. That is always a big plus.

Now I must leave for a day of honest (and low-paying) toil.

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(01-23-2020 10:05 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I enjoy following AAC football — and the progress has been very solid (if not strong).

I like the AAC football competition as well. There are a lot of fun matchups to watch, and I watch them.

In that sense, I think the Aresco P6 campaign does the AAC a disservice. By battling constantly for what the AAC is not, there is a loss of focus on what it is, and so the latter doesn't get appreciated enough.

The AAC provides a lot of good quality football matchups on Saturdays. As a USF fan, I tend to look forward to the AAC games on our schedule more than whatever one-off P5 games the AD has managed to sign.
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(01-23-2020 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 06:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The pacific 12 has more traditional cohesion than the ACC ever will but still these two autonomous conferences are the canarys in the mine shaft to doom, the AAC on the other hand is totally gaining cohesion and it’s fun to watch and be a fan of and of its future, the future of college football
I’ve seen the future for these two autonomous conferences and I’d leave it all behind
Player compensation is the new sheriff thats on his way into town

The AAC has the same cohesion that the Big East football schools had 10 years ago, it's based on a chip on the shoulder, nobody respects us mentality.

But that's a kind of 'negative' cohesion that can only take you so far, and as others have noted, it falls apart instantly as soon as something better comes along for a given school.

The '05-'12 Big East had more cohesion than the American because it was contiguous geographically. Other than USF, it had a more compact footprint than every conference other than the MAC. Its identity was a Mid-Atlantic conference, and it owned New York City.
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(01-23-2020 10:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 06:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The pacific 12 has more traditional cohesion than the ACC ever will but still these two autonomous conferences are the canarys in the mine shaft to doom, the AAC on the other hand is totally gaining cohesion and it’s fun to watch and be a fan of and of its future, the future of college football
I’ve seen the future for these two autonomous conferences and I’d leave it all behind
Player compensation is the new sheriff thats on his way into town

The AAC has the same cohesion that the Big East football schools had 10 years ago, it's based on a chip on the shoulder, nobody respects us mentality.

But that's a kind of 'negative' cohesion that can only take you so far, and as others have noted, it falls apart instantly as soon as something better comes along for a given school.

The '05-'12 Big East had more cohesion than the American because it was contiguous geographically. Other than USF, it had a more compact footprint than every conference other than the MAC. Its identity was a Mid-Atlantic conference, and it owned New York City.

Yes, good point. What I meant to say was that the AAC cohesion is of the same kind as the Big East football, an "us against the world" mentality rooted in perceived disrespect. But no, the current AAC's level of cohesion isn't as strong as Big East football's was, for the reasons you mention.

Even USF helped with that BEast cohesion, as the one deep south school we were kind of like the novelty act, the "there's one on every block" kind of thing. We were so far afield we fit too.

The AAC is more enjoyable than I thought it would be, but I do miss the Big East. Ten years ago was a great time, the best for USF.
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(01-23-2020 11:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 06:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The pacific 12 has more traditional cohesion than the ACC ever will but still these two autonomous conferences are the canarys in the mine shaft to doom, the AAC on the other hand is totally gaining cohesion and it’s fun to watch and be a fan of and of its future, the future of college football
I’ve seen the future for these two autonomous conferences and I’d leave it all behind
Player compensation is the new sheriff thats on his way into town

The AAC has the same cohesion that the Big East football schools had 10 years ago, it's based on a chip on the shoulder, nobody respects us mentality.

But that's a kind of 'negative' cohesion that can only take you so far, and as others have noted, it falls apart instantly as soon as something better comes along for a given school.

The '05-'12 Big East had more cohesion than the American because it was contiguous geographically. Other than USF, it had a more compact footprint than every conference other than the MAC. Its identity was a Mid-Atlantic conference, and it owned New York City.

Yes, good point. What I meant to say was that the AAC cohesion is of the same kind as the Big East football, an "us against the world" mentality rooted in perceived disrespect. But no, the current AAC's level of cohesion isn't as strong as Big East football's was, for the reasons you mention.

Even USF helped with that BEast cohesion, as the one deep south school we were kind of like the novelty act, the "there's one on every block" kind of thing. We were so far afield we fit too.

The AAC is more enjoyable than I thought it would be, but I do miss the Big East. Ten years ago was a great time, the best for USF.

Although the AAC has a lot of similar schools. There's a reason Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston keep ending up back together in different conferences over the last 60 years. Urban commuter schools. They've got 6 of those (7 counting Wichita), 3 urban privates, Navy and East Carolina, who is the only true outlier among the full members.
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(01-23-2020 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 11:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 06:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The pacific 12 has more traditional cohesion than the ACC ever will but still these two autonomous conferences are the canarys in the mine shaft to doom, the AAC on the other hand is totally gaining cohesion and it’s fun to watch and be a fan of and of its future, the future of college football
I’ve seen the future for these two autonomous conferences and I’d leave it all behind
Player compensation is the new sheriff thats on his way into town

The AAC has the same cohesion that the Big East football schools had 10 years ago, it's based on a chip on the shoulder, nobody respects us mentality.

But that's a kind of 'negative' cohesion that can only take you so far, and as others have noted, it falls apart instantly as soon as something better comes along for a given school.

The '05-'12 Big East had more cohesion than the American because it was contiguous geographically. Other than USF, it had a more compact footprint than every conference other than the MAC. Its identity was a Mid-Atlantic conference, and it owned New York City.

Yes, good point. What I meant to say was that the AAC cohesion is of the same kind as the Big East football, an "us against the world" mentality rooted in perceived disrespect. But no, the current AAC's level of cohesion isn't as strong as Big East football's was, for the reasons you mention.

Even USF helped with that BEast cohesion, as the one deep south school we were kind of like the novelty act, the "there's one on every block" kind of thing. We were so far afield we fit too.

The AAC is more enjoyable than I thought it would be, but I do miss the Big East. Ten years ago was a great time, the best for USF.

Although the AAC has a lot of similar schools. There's a reason Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston keep ending up back together in different conferences over the last 60 years. Urban commuter schools. They've got 6 of those (7 counting Wichita), 3 urban privates, Navy and East Carolina, who is the only true outlier among the full members.

While we still have a number of commuters, Cincinnati hasn't technically been a commuter school for 15-20 years. The number of commuters continues to get smaller each year. he last I checked roughly 26% of the students live in campus housing, and that is not even counting the significant number of students that live in off campus housing within walking distance in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. All in all I am guessing the number of students who can walk to campus is over 40%.
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(01-23-2020 03:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  While we still have a number of commuters, Cincinnati hasn't technically been a commuter school for 15-20 years. The number of commuters continues to get smaller each year. he last I checked roughly 26% of the students live in campus housing, and that is not even counting the significant number of students that live in off campus housing within walking distance in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. All in all I am guessing the number of students who can walk to campus is over 40%.

It's hard for any big university not to have a significant commuter population. E.g., my USF is still only 18% on campus even though every year we set a new record for students living on campus. But that's the same percentage as Texas. Florida is at 22%, Cal-Berkley is at 27%, and Michigan is around 30%. So it's not just the huge lesser-quality schools that have low on-campus populations.

You're just not going to house 30,000 students on campus. It's the small schools like Notre Dame that have 90% of the students living on campus.
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(01-23-2020 03:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 03:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  While we still have a number of commuters, Cincinnati hasn't technically been a commuter school for 15-20 years. The number of commuters continues to get smaller each year. he last I checked roughly 26% of the students live in campus housing, and that is not even counting the significant number of students that live in off campus housing within walking distance in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. All in all I am guessing the number of students who can walk to campus is over 40%.

It's hard for any big university not to have a significant commuter population. E.g., my USF is still only 18% on campus even though every year we set a new record for students living on campus. But that's the same percentage as Texas. Florida is at 22%, Cal-Berkley is at 27%, and Michigan is around 30%. So it's not just the huge lesser-quality schools that have low on-campus populations.

You're just not going to house 30,000 students on campus. It's the small schools like Notre Dame that have 90% of the students living on campus.

Agreed. In Cincinnati's case, you'd have to understand the layout as to why we can't expand any further. Its quite impressive they have grown as much as they have.

I've long been curious as to what the threshold to describe a campus as a "commuter school" and the number I have universally seen is 20%. By that definition is UC is not a commuter school and I would say USF sounds like they are on track to break away from that as well.
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(01-23-2020 03:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 03:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  While we still have a number of commuters, Cincinnati hasn't technically been a commuter school for 15-20 years. The number of commuters continues to get smaller each year. he last I checked roughly 26% of the students live in campus housing, and that is not even counting the significant number of students that live in off campus housing within walking distance in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. All in all I am guessing the number of students who can walk to campus is over 40%.

It's hard for any big university not to have a significant commuter population. E.g., my USF is still only 18% on campus even though every year we set a new record for students living on campus. But that's the same percentage as Texas. Florida is at 22%, Cal-Berkley is at 27%, and Michigan is around 30%. So it's not just the huge lesser-quality schools that have low on-campus populations.

You're just not going to house 30,000 students on campus. It's the small schools like Notre Dame that have 90% of the students living on campus.

But Texas is surrounded by neighborhoods with apartments and condos filled with students. The vast majority of the students do not come from Austin. Houston, by contrast, doesn't really have much off-campus housing of students nearby. And the vast majority of its students come from Houston. So even if Houston were to have a similar % of students living on campus, its still a commuter school and Texas isn't.

At the big state schools there are very few juniors and seniors living on campus. Its mostly freshmen with some sophomores and some graduate students.
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I don’t give a crap about Texas, it’s become a “ safe space” lefty school anyway, the big state schools are losing the advantages they once had, just look at liberty and what their doing on the field and going to a bowl and how many live on campus there?, mybe no one?
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(01-23-2020 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 11:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 06:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The pacific 12 has more traditional cohesion than the ACC ever will but still these two autonomous conferences are the canarys in the mine shaft to doom, the AAC on the other hand is totally gaining cohesion and it’s fun to watch and be a fan of and of its future, the future of college football
I’ve seen the future for these two autonomous conferences and I’d leave it all behind
Player compensation is the new sheriff thats on his way into town

The AAC has the same cohesion that the Big East football schools had 10 years ago, it's based on a chip on the shoulder, nobody respects us mentality.

But that's a kind of 'negative' cohesion that can only take you so far, and as others have noted, it falls apart instantly as soon as something better comes along for a given school.

The '05-'12 Big East had more cohesion than the American because it was contiguous geographically. Other than USF, it had a more compact footprint than every conference other than the MAC. Its identity was a Mid-Atlantic conference, and it owned New York City.

Yes, good point. What I meant to say was that the AAC cohesion is of the same kind as the Big East football, an "us against the world" mentality rooted in perceived disrespect. But no, the current AAC's level of cohesion isn't as strong as Big East football's was, for the reasons you mention.

Even USF helped with that BEast cohesion, as the one deep south school we were kind of like the novelty act, the "there's one on every block" kind of thing. We were so far afield we fit too.

The AAC is more enjoyable than I thought it would be, but I do miss the Big East. Ten years ago was a great time, the best for USF.

Although the AAC has a lot of similar schools. There's a reason [b]Cincinnati Memphis and Houston keep ending up back together in different conferences over the last 60 years[/b]. Urban commuter schools They've got 6 of those (7 counting Wichita), 3 urban privates, Navy and East Carolina, who is the only true outlier among the full members.

Pity poor Kenton Martin -- dragging himself out of bed, getting on a bus in Dallas, and commuting to UC each day. And then, after a day of classes and basketball practice, having to face that long return trip to Dallas each evening.

So yeah, with 46,000 students hailing from all fifty states and scores of foreign countries, UC (Ohio's second largest state university) is a commuter school. No doubt about it.
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(01-23-2020 04:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 03:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 03:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  While we still have a number of commuters, Cincinnati hasn't technically been a commuter school for 15-20 years. The number of commuters continues to get smaller each year. he last I checked roughly 26% of the students live in campus housing, and that is not even counting the significant number of students that live in off campus housing within walking distance in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. All in all I am guessing the number of students who can walk to campus is over 40%.

It's hard for any big university not to have a significant commuter population. E.g., my USF is still only 18% on campus even though every year we set a new record for students living on campus. But that's the same percentage as Texas. Florida is at 22%, Cal-Berkley is at 27%, and Michigan is around 30%. So it's not just the huge lesser-quality schools that have low on-campus populations.

You're just not going to house 30,000 students on campus. It's the small schools like Notre Dame that have 90% of the students living on campus.

But Texas is surrounded by neighborhoods with apartments and condos filled with students.

That's USF. Loads of apartments and condos around the campus filled with students, many literally across the street from the campus line. But they count as "commuter".
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(01-23-2020 10:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:05 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I enjoy following AAC football — and the progress has been very solid (if not strong).

I like the AAC football competition as well. There are a lot of fun matchups to watch, and I watch them.

In that sense, I think the Aresco P6 campaign does the AAC a disservice. By battling constantly for what the AAC is not, there is a loss of focus on what it is, and so the latter doesn't get appreciated enough.

The AAC provides a lot of good quality football matchups on Saturdays. As a USF fan, I tend to look forward to the AAC games on our schedule more than whatever one-off P5 games the AD has managed to sign.



I have posted previously that I'm not a fan of the AAC's P6 campaign (though it has gotten a bit of traction in various circles and has been helpful in creating a public perception that the AAC continues to separate itself from the other G5 leagues).

I like your use of "disservice." The American should not try to be something it's not (it clearly is not a power football league, IMO) as it invites ridicule (at least to an extent). Rather, it should embrace its quirkiness, its urban locales and its mix of public and private schools of varying enrollment sizes, endowments, academic histories, etc. Of the Big Seven Division I-A all sports leagues (the P5, the AAC and the MWC), the American is likely the most unusual based on many metrics. That can be used a positive.

I'm not sure that narrative — i.e., "We are not so much "better" than the other G5 as we are more interesting and fun" — has been pushed effectively. And I blame Aresco for that. But I'm not going to bash MA too much. Bad karma.
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(01-23-2020 03:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 11:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The AAC has the same cohesion that the Big East football schools had 10 years ago, it's based on a chip on the shoulder, nobody respects us mentality.

But that's a kind of 'negative' cohesion that can only take you so far, and as others have noted, it falls apart instantly as soon as something better comes along for a given school.

The '05-'12 Big East had more cohesion than the American because it was contiguous geographically. Other than USF, it had a more compact footprint than every conference other than the MAC. Its identity was a Mid-Atlantic conference, and it owned New York City.

Yes, good point. What I meant to say was that the AAC cohesion is of the same kind as the Big East football, an "us against the world" mentality rooted in perceived disrespect. But no, the current AAC's level of cohesion isn't as strong as Big East football's was, for the reasons you mention.

Even USF helped with that BEast cohesion, as the one deep south school we were kind of like the novelty act, the "there's one on every block" kind of thing. We were so far afield we fit too.

The AAC is more enjoyable than I thought it would be, but I do miss the Big East. Ten years ago was a great time, the best for USF.

Although the AAC has a lot of similar schools. There's a reason Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston keep ending up back together in different conferences over the last 60 years. Urban commuter schools. They've got 6 of those (7 counting Wichita), 3 urban privates, Navy and East Carolina, who is the only true outlier among the full members.

While we still have a number of commuters, Cincinnati hasn't technically been a commuter school for 15-20 years. The number of commuters continues to get smaller each year. he last I checked roughly 26% of the students live in campus housing, and that is not even counting the significant number of students that live in off campus housing within walking distance in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. All in all I am guessing the number of students who can walk to campus is over 40%.


I think what Bullet means is not so much "urban commuter schools" but, rather, schools located in urban settings and that draw a significant percentage of students living either in or areas located near those respective cities. That is likely a fair description.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-23-2020 03:28 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 03:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 03:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  While we still have a number of commuters, Cincinnati hasn't technically been a commuter school for 15-20 years. The number of commuters continues to get smaller each year. he last I checked roughly 26% of the students live in campus housing, and that is not even counting the significant number of students that live in off campus housing within walking distance in the neighborhoods surrounding the school. All in all I am guessing the number of students who can walk to campus is over 40%.

It's hard for any big university not to have a significant commuter population. E.g., my USF is still only 18% on campus even though every year we set a new record for students living on campus. But that's the same percentage as Texas. Florida is at 22%, Cal-Berkley is at 27%, and Michigan is around 30%. So it's not just the huge lesser-quality schools that have low on-campus populations.

You're just not going to house 30,000 students on campus. It's the small schools like Notre Dame that have 90% of the students living on campus.

Agreed. In Cincinnati's case, you'd have to understand the layout as to why we can't expand any further. Its quite impressive they have grown as much as they have.

I've long been curious as to what the threshold to describe a campus as a "commuter school" and the number I have universally seen is 20%. By that definition is UC is not a commuter school and I would say USF sounds like they are on track to break away from that as well.


The topography in and around the campus is very distinctive — as are the street layouts. My brother lived near the intersection of Clifton and Ludlow (as I've posted before) when he attended UC. I pounded five-way veggie chili at that Skyline every time I visited. Would kill to have a Skyline or Goldstar in Nashville.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-21-2020 08:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since Massey is a composite, it's only as good as its components, and I know that one of those is the Colley Matrix, so Massey isn't the be-all, end-all.

No question. But the MC does show a "computer consensus", which to me is more valuable than the results of any one computer, in an environment where it is unknowable as to whether any given computer is the best one.

Agree about Colley btw, that one is dreck, LOL.
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