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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-21-2020 01:46 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 01:40 PM)esayem Wrote:  What was the head to head record?

Pitt and UNC won

Cincinnati beat BC

Can’t think of anything else. Computer formulas just tell part of the story.

It was also just one year. if that happened for a few successive years then there's something good brewing in the AAC

Cincinnati has more than held its own with the ACC for the past decade. Since 2011 we've beaten NC State, Virginia Tech (2-1 during that span), Duke, BC, Miami and of course our old Big East conference mates Louisville, Pitt and Syracuse (while still conference mates, they've not played us since). We did lose to UNC, of course that was when Tommy Tuberville was here stealing from the university.

I know Temple, UCF and USF have had some success as well.
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It's about the FB
Being prop up by ESPN, should not count on the field
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(01-21-2020 02:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  AAC football had a very good year. I wonder how bad the ACC composite would be without Clemson. The ACC needs a couple of teams with 10+ wins every season. Florida State and Miami have been down. Did Louisville hit their ceiling when they had Lamar Jackson and not get that good for awhile?

Not only how bad would the ACC MC have been without CLEMSON but how much higher would the AAC have finished in the MC without UCONN. However one thing nobody takes into consideration is how low most AAC teams are ranked at the start of every season no matter how well they finished the previous one no matter how many of their teams starters return. AND DON'T FORGET THAT LAST BASKETBALL SEASON THE AAC FINISHED 5TH OVER THE PAC12 ALSO. 07-coffee307-coffee3
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
(01-21-2020 03:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 01:46 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 01:40 PM)esayem Wrote:  What was the head to head record?

Pitt and UNC won

Cincinnati beat BC

Can’t think of anything else. Computer formulas just tell part of the story.

It was also just one year. if that happened for a few successive years then there's something good brewing in the AAC

Cincinnati has more than held its own with the ACC for the past decade. Since 2011 we've beaten NC State, Virginia Tech (2-1 during that span), Duke, BC, Miami and of course our old Big East conference mates Louisville, Pitt and Syracuse (while still conference mates, they've not played us since). We did lose to UNC, of course that was when Tommy Tuberville was here stealing from the university.

I know Temple, UCF and USF have had some success as well.

NCSU over ECU, easy to remember. It was only one of the Pack's 4 wins in a dreadful season.
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ECU's struggles are well documented but as recently as 2016, with a 33-30 victory over rival North Carolina State on September 9, 2016, ECU became the first "Non-Power" program to defeat a single "Power Conference" (vs. ACC) six-consecutive times from 2013–16, thereby breaking a four-way tie with TCU (vs. BIG XII), Boise State (vs. PAC-12), and BYU (vs. PAC-12) all of which each had previously established five-game winning streaks against a single "Power Conference." ECU defeated regional rivals Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and North Carolina State two-consecutive times each respectively during the Pirates' six-game winning streak against the ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carol...AA_records

Consistently, year in and year out, top to bottom, AAC = ACC - Clemson. This year was just the 1st year where AAC > ACC (even including Clemson).
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(01-21-2020 05:22 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 02:22 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  AAC football had a very good year. I wonder how bad the ACC composite would be without Clemson. The ACC needs a couple of teams with 10+ wins every season. Florida State and Miami have been down. Did Louisville hit their ceiling when they had Lamar Jackson and not get that good for awhile?

Not only how bad would the ACC MC have been without CLEMSON but how much higher would the AAC have finished in the MC without UCONN. However one thing nobody takes into consideration is how low most AAC teams are ranked at the start of every season no matter how well they finished the previous one no matter how many of their teams starters return. AND DON'T FORGET THAT LAST BASKETBALL SEASON THE AAC FINISHED 5TH OVER THE PAC12 ALSO. 07-coffee307-coffee3

Yes, we can hem and haw about who would have finished where with or without great teams or albatross teams. But bottom line is the AAC did finish ahead of the ACC, and that is something.
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(01-21-2020 02:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Congratulations to the American Athletic Conference - GREAT SEASON!

Yes, the ACC had a bad football season, but
(a) that shouldn't take away from what the AAC accomplished, and
(b) the ACC needs to get its stuff together and do better in 2020!


A classy post from H-Mark. And I agree fully.
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(01-21-2020 05:55 PM)B easy Wrote:  ECU's struggles are well documented but as recently as 2016, with a 33-30 victory over rival North Carolina State on September 9, 2016, ECU became the first "Non-Power" program to defeat a single "Power Conference" (vs. ACC) six-consecutive times from 2013–16, thereby breaking a four-way tie with TCU (vs. BIG XII), Boise State (vs. PAC-12), and BYU (vs. PAC-12) all of which each had previously established five-game winning streaks against a single "Power Conference." ECU defeated regional rivals Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and North Carolina State two-consecutive times each respectively during the Pirates' six-game winning streak against the ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carol...AA_records

Consistently, year in and year out, top to bottom, AAC = ACC - Clemson. This year was just the 1st year where AAC > ACC (even including Clemson).

Haha, lay off the pirate rum.
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
Since Massey is a composite, it's only as good as its components, and I know that one of those is the Colley Matrix, so Massey isn't the be-all, end-all. Sagarin is also not a be-all, end all, but is at least decently respected -- it has the ACC rated pretty low for 2019, as befits their performance, but still comfortably above the AAC:

SEC: 80.22
Big 12: 79.33
Big Ten: 78.14
Pac-12: 76.26
ACC: 72.04
American: 69.04
MWC: 65.01
Sun Belt: 61.26
MAC: 57.84
CUSA: 57.39
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RE: American Athletic finishes ahead of ACC in Massey Composite
Congratulations...
This is not exactly new for American programs that were in The Big East.
The Big East regularly finished ahead of The ACC.

Again congratulations...
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(01-21-2020 08:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since Massey is a composite, it's only as good as its components, and I know that one of those is the Colley Matrix, so Massey isn't the be-all, end-all. Sagarin is also not a be-all, end all, but is at least decently respected -- it has the ACC rated pretty low for 2019, as befits their performance, but still comfortably above the AAC:

SEC: 80.22
Big 12: 79.33
Big Ten: 78.14
Pac-12: 76.26
ACC: 72.04
American: 69.04
MWC: 65.01
Sun Belt: 61.26
MAC: 57.84
CUSA: 57.39

Sagarin often has some silly results. The point of the composite is that the weird results get offset by more reasonable ones.
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(01-21-2020 07:42 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 05:55 PM)B easy Wrote:  ECU's struggles are well documented but as recently as 2016, with a 33-30 victory over rival North Carolina State on September 9, 2016, ECU became the first "Non-Power" program to defeat a single "Power Conference" (vs. ACC) six-consecutive times from 2013–16, thereby breaking a four-way tie with TCU (vs. BIG XII), Boise State (vs. PAC-12), and BYU (vs. PAC-12) all of which each had previously established five-game winning streaks against a single "Power Conference." ECU defeated regional rivals Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and North Carolina State two-consecutive times each respectively during the Pirates' six-game winning streak against the ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carol...AA_records

Consistently, year in and year out, top to bottom, AAC = ACC - Clemson. This year was just the 1st year where AAC > ACC (even including Clemson).

Haha, lay off the pirate rum.

04-cheers

Even Scotty Mo was undefeated vs UNC & NCSU (2-0) during his much maligned tenure at ECU. ECU has outscored UNC 166-91 over the last 3 games, including another blow out in one of our worst seasons ever (2018). Ya'll should be trying to play us right now since the Mack is back and we're down and out but ya'll will wait until coach Houston has us up and rolling again before we're back on the schedule. Makes no sense.







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The ACC was built by ESPN, and it’s not working, ESPN is paying so much more money for nothing much in return
Pac-12 is sinking under the waves and will continue to be a really bad autonomous conference to be paying big money
ACC is also a bad autonomous conference losing on all fronts, soon these two conferences will lose the big tv payouts

Meanwhile the AAC is the real deal and fans know it, fan support within the AAC has been on a steady rise sense day one
AAC simply fields a better product with a lot less money that fans want to watch, nobody wants to watch teams in the pac or the ACC play each other, so many loser teams that make huge money with nothing to show for it
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(01-21-2020 08:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since Massey is a composite, it's only as good as its components, and I know that one of those is the Colley Matrix, so Massey isn't the be-all, end-all. Sagarin is also not a be-all, end all, but is at least decently respected -- it has the ACC rated pretty low for 2019, as befits their performance, but still comfortably above the AAC:

SEC: 80.22
Big 12: 79.33
Big Ten: 78.14
Pac-12: 76.26
ACC: 72.04
American: 69.04
MWC: 65.01
Sun Belt: 61.26
MAC: 57.84
CUSA: 57.39

Sagarin often has some silly results. The point of the composite is that the weird results get offset by more reasonable ones.

I'm not thrilled with Sagarin either, since it's proprietary, but it is accessible.
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(01-21-2020 08:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since Massey is a composite, it's only as good as its components, and I know that one of those is the Colley Matrix, so Massey isn't the be-all, end-all. Sagarin is also not a be-all, end all, but is at least decently respected -- it has the ACC rated pretty low for 2019, as befits their performance, but still comfortably above the AAC:

SEC: 80.22
Big 12: 79.33
Big Ten: 78.14
Pac-12: 76.26
ACC: 72.04
American: 69.04
MWC: 65.01
Sun Belt: 61.26
MAC: 57.84
CUSA: 57.39

Sagarin often has some silly results. The point of the composite is that the weird results get offset by more reasonable ones.

I'm not thrilled with Sagarin either, since it's proprietary, but it is accessible.

I'll use it a lot for things like strength of schedule. It is, as you say, accessible.
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(01-21-2020 01:50 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The AAC is a 'tweener conference. But it's doing so on heavy spending and borrowing. Rutgers and UConn followed the same strategy, with Rutgers successfully getting into the Big Ten, UConn however did not. The thing that distinguishes them from American schools is that they are flagships.

The American will likely see the same pressures in coming years as the MWC already experienced. Boise State has reigned in it's budget growth such that they have the lowest institutional transfer % by a wide margin in G5 (it's a model that should be followed by almost every G5 school, staying within your means, being disciplined in spending, demanding bang for the buck from your programs and working the fan base). USF and ECU seem to have opted for this direction, and neither Tulane nor Tulsa feel compelled to spend to the moon to keep up with the power schools. UCF, Houston, Memphis and Cincy are spending like no tomorrow. My WAG is this will show up in the performances --and to some extent it already has-- in the next half dozen years. They are spending to keep in the B12 replacement school race.

Tulane has been spending at AAC averages. 12-12 AAC mark in the past 3 years suggests as much.

Most AAC programs have eerily similar budget sizes.
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(01-21-2020 08:46 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 07:42 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 05:55 PM)B easy Wrote:  ECU's struggles are well documented but as recently as 2016, with a 33-30 victory over rival North Carolina State on September 9, 2016, ECU became the first "Non-Power" program to defeat a single "Power Conference" (vs. ACC) six-consecutive times from 2013–16, thereby breaking a four-way tie with TCU (vs. BIG XII), Boise State (vs. PAC-12), and BYU (vs. PAC-12) all of which each had previously established five-game winning streaks against a single "Power Conference." ECU defeated regional rivals Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and North Carolina State two-consecutive times each respectively during the Pirates' six-game winning streak against the ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carol...AA_records

Consistently, year in and year out, top to bottom, AAC = ACC - Clemson. This year was just the 1st year where AAC > ACC (even including Clemson).

Haha, lay off the pirate rum.

04-cheers

Even Scotty Mo was undefeated vs UNC & NCSU (2-0) during his much maligned tenure at ECU. ECU has outscored UNC 166-91 over the last 3 games, including another blow out in one of our worst seasons ever (2018). Ya'll should be trying to play us right now since the Mack is back and we're down and out but ya'll will wait until coach Houston has us up and rolling again before we're back on the schedule. Makes no sense.

I’m glad you finally have a moment of glory to relive. 04-wine
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(01-21-2020 08:47 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The ACC was built by ESPN, and it’s not working, ESPN is paying so much more money for nothing much in return
Pac-12 is sinking under the waves and will continue to be a really bad autonomous conference to be paying big money
ACC is also a bad autonomous conference losing on all fronts, soon these two conferences will lose the big tv payouts

Meanwhile the AAC is the real deal and fans know it, fan support within the AAC has been on a steady rise sense day one
AAC simply fields a better product with a lot less money that fans want to watch, nobody wants to watch teams in the pac or the ACC play each other, so many loser teams that make huge money with nothing to show for it


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(01-22-2020 01:31 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:46 PM)B easy Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 07:42 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 05:55 PM)B easy Wrote:  ECU's struggles are well documented but as recently as 2016, with a 33-30 victory over rival North Carolina State on September 9, 2016, ECU became the first "Non-Power" program to defeat a single "Power Conference" (vs. ACC) six-consecutive times from 2013–16, thereby breaking a four-way tie with TCU (vs. BIG XII), Boise State (vs. PAC-12), and BYU (vs. PAC-12) all of which each had previously established five-game winning streaks against a single "Power Conference." ECU defeated regional rivals Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and North Carolina State two-consecutive times each respectively during the Pirates' six-game winning streak against the ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carol...AA_records

Consistently, year in and year out, top to bottom, AAC = ACC - Clemson. This year was just the 1st year where AAC > ACC (even including Clemson).

Haha, lay off the pirate rum.

04-cheers

Even Scotty Mo was undefeated vs UNC & NCSU (2-0) during his much maligned tenure at ECU. ECU has outscored UNC 166-91 over the last 3 games, including another blow out in one of our worst seasons ever (2018). Ya'll should be trying to play us right now since the Mack is back and we're down and out but ya'll will wait until coach Houston has us up and rolling again before we're back on the schedule. Makes no sense.

I’m glad you finally have a moment of glory to relive. 04-wine

At ECU we take what we can get at this point buddy.03-banghead Hopefully we'll make a bowl this year.
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(01-22-2020 02:22 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:47 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The ACC was built by ESPN, and it’s not working, ESPN is paying so much more money for nothing much in return
Pac-12 is sinking under the waves and will continue to be a really bad autonomous conference to be paying big money
ACC is also a bad autonomous conference losing on all fronts, soon these two conferences will lose the big tv payouts

Meanwhile the AAC is the real deal and fans know it, fan support within the AAC has been on a steady rise sense day one
AAC simply fields a better product with a lot less money that fans want to watch, nobody wants to watch teams in the pac or the ACC play each other, so many loser teams that make huge money with nothing to show for it


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Yeah, the AAC is the real deal, even though it's a geographically disparate mishmash of ambitious schools with little connection to one another and any member would leave the others behind in a split second on the off chance an actual power conference were to come calling.
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