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(01-21-2020 06:32 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 10:57 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 09:13 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The millennials love Bernie. I have a feeling this schism in the Democrat party between the Democrat-Socialist types and the establilshment Democrats are going to be a major reason for their down fall this fall. The Democrat-Socialists aren't going to vote for someone like Biden, and at the same time the establishment types are going to vote for Bernie.

Millennials love him because they've been force-fed socialistic thought over the years in our public education system.

Change that and you make socialists the villians that they actually are rather than the heros they're made out to be.

“The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation is the philosophy of government in the next.”
- A. Lincoln

I think there are a lot of people who want:

-Healthcare reform as it costs way more than it should
-College reform as it costs way more than it should
-Monopolies being broken up. This country has way too many mega corporations these days and they're throwing their weight around heavily in politics.
-Emissions reductions.

Unfortunately there aren't many options to vote for who offer to do those things.

Let's talk about the first two items as they're both related to services costing too much.

"Too much" or "costs more than it should" are subjective and not quantifiable. It's an emotional tactic rather than a factual one.

But I think many of us agree that those things do cost too much. Well, maybe doctors and professors excepted.

Now we need to discuss "why" these services cost too much. I believe economic principles suggest that government policies which ensure payment are one of the root causes of severe and rapid price increases.

The college board charges as much as they want knowing that the student will pay with government funds. If students had to pay with their own money there would be less tuition funds available. This would force the college board to set tuition rationally.

Likewise with healthcare services. The more government is involved with price and fee control, the less free-market supply & demand influences pricing.


As far as monopolies go, this really shouldn't be an issue. Regardless of how big a company may grow there is a simple solution to neutering their political influence: pass laws against lobbying and donations. Easy. Except for the greedy politicians who like those donations.

I highly doubt we'll get congress to act on this any time soon. Maybe we could start at the state level. Let's get a state to pass a law that its federal senators and representatives are not allowed to take any money from PACs, lobbyists or corporations. Period. Let's require them to submit evidence that they are not taking money. If enough states get on board then the size of the pool in DC will shrink at which point there won't be enough politicians taking kickbacks to make a difference. Hypothetically, that is.

As far as emissions reductions go, eh. That's high on some folks' lists but not so much for others.
01-22-2020 11:47 AM
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(01-22-2020 10:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 07:28 AM)Mav Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 11:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 09:58 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 03:21 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Echo chambers are bipartisan. The same exists in conservative circles (cc. this forum, /r/thedonald, 4chan, etc., Facebook).
That's an internet thing more than a political thing. Furries, flat earthers and anti-vaccine campaigners would get brought back into the fold by society if there wasn't this way for weirdos the world over to share common interests. The internet's created such a sense of hyperreality about us even beyond partisanism. It's great to be able to talk college sports with you guys but I wonder if all of this is good for us.

(01-21-2020 10:57 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Millennials love him because they've been force-fed socialistic thought over the years in our public education system.

Change that and you make socialists the villians that they actually are rather than the heros they're made out to be.

“The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation is the philosophy of government in the next.”
- A. Lincoln
Some of it's that, but some of it's that capitalism hasn't really worked out too well for them. Let's not pretend that this is purely brainwashing and delusion. If millennials had the society their elders said they were going to get they'd probably be just as rah-rah for capitalism as any other Rand-loving libertarian.

Maybe the Trump economy replacing the Obama economy will snap some of them out of it, the way the Carter economy turned vast numbers into Republicans and monetarists.
All the "Trump economy" has done is make the stock market go up. Wages are still stagnant. That's not going to change, with our immigration situation being how it is and broadening legal immigration getting strong bipartisan support, and near fanatical support from the same people that rail against capitalism the hardest. It's hard to compete with scabs that are just happy to have a flushing toilet.
It's hard to support these "reforms" Bernie and the rest want when they're socialism for the rich and poverty for the rest of us. Bullet hit the nail on the head. Medicare For All is a giveaway to hospitals like federally insured student loans are a giveaway to colleges. No one talks about addressing the deeper problems with either healthcare or higher education, just throw someone else's money at it and hope it fixes itself.

yeah, many have to ad nauseam....it's a bbs....threads evolve as such...

I know I have posted too many times about my BIL that is reaping the rewards to this day....

the boomer gen was a given in the equation.....honestly, was there ever a doubt ~50 yrs. ago?

that was an easy 'given' based on numbers and 'creating' longevity.....
I meant in the halls of power, or those pursuing office. Yang touched on it with Joe Rogan by saying student loan forgiveness didn't go far enough and the system needed to be fixed so it wasn't such a money pit, but he then went on to talk about how great Medicare for All would be, so who knows what his angle is. The guy that's come closest is Tucker, but he's just a pundit, and who knows how long Fox will tolerate his populism and replace him with a shill like Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro.
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There's no question health care costs too much. We are paying about double what any other country does and getting weaker results than many of them.
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(01-22-2020 04:55 PM)Mav Wrote:  Joe Rogan by saying



https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/statu...8038185991

ROGANISM
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(01-22-2020 05:27 PM)green Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:55 PM)Mav Wrote:  Joe Rogan by saying



https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/statu...8038185991

ROGANISM

Looks more like ROGAINISM to me!
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(01-22-2020 06:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 05:27 PM)green Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:55 PM)Mav Wrote:  Joe Rogan by saying



https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/statu...8038185991

ROGANISM

Looks more like ROGAINISM to me!

Well with Booker out, Sanders is probably the next closest bet.
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