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RE: Game Week/DAY: @Bowling Green and @Miami
Well that makes next Saturday easier for me.it is seniors day for Women's swimming and diving and i try not to miss those days. Because most of out athletes have given 4 years to help promote EMU by participating in athletic. Well done ladies.
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(01-25-2020 11:29 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  How the hell has he lasted this long with no titles or any major accomplishments to speak of? Keep those Ls coming, Murph!

Not difficult...

1) A horrible contract that kept extending him a year if he won 20 games. It made sense in theory, especially because we didn’t play nearly as many non-D1 games when Gragg was still here. But due to a home game mandate from the MAC, Lyke started scheduling 4 such games a year (ironically, to the public chagrin of Murphy), and he was able to hit that goal without having a truly successful season.

2) We were never bad enough to justify buying him out. Our worst MAC season before this debacle was 16/17, when we went 7-11 in the conference. The next year, we went 11-7, got a bye to Cleveland, and were a buzzer beater away from playing in the MAC championship game. Never, at any point in his tenure, were we one of the 3 or 4 worst teams in the MAC.


This should be his swan song. I can understand not terminating a coach early if he’s winning games, but we don’t have a heck of a lot of room to grow next season. At least not under Murphy.
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(01-26-2020 07:54 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Well that makes next Saturday easier for me.it is seniors day for Women's swimming and diving and i try not to miss those days. Because most of out athletes have given 4 years to help promote EMU by participating in athletic. Well done ladies.

Sorry we'll miss you.
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(01-26-2020 08:25 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-25-2020 11:29 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  How the hell has he lasted this long with no titles or any major accomplishments to speak of? Keep those Ls coming, Murph!

Not difficult...

1) A horrible contract that kept extending him a year if he won 20 games. It made sense in theory, especially because we didn’t play nearly as many non-D1 games when Gragg was still here. But due to a home game mandate from the MAC, Lyke started scheduling 4 such games a year (ironically, to the public chagrin of Murphy), and he was able to hit that goal without having a truly successful season.

2) We were never bad enough to justify buying him out. Our worst MAC season before this debacle was 16/17, when we went 7-11 in the conference. The next year, we went 11-7, got a bye to Cleveland, and were a buzzer beater away from playing in the MAC championship game. Never, at any point in his tenure, were we one of the 3 or 4 worst teams in the MAC.


This should be his swan song. I can understand not terminating a coach early if he’s winning games, but we don’t have a heck of a lot of room to grow next season. At least not under Murphy.

Due to graduation requirements a new coach next year would not have much room to move either. Much more room to move in the 2021-2022 class.
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(01-26-2020 08:25 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-25-2020 11:29 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  How the hell has he lasted this long with no titles or any major accomplishments to speak of? Keep those Ls coming, Murph!

Not difficult...

1) A horrible contract that kept extending him a year if he won 20 games. It made sense in theory, especially because we didn’t play nearly as many non-D1 games when Gragg was still here. But due to a home game mandate from the MAC, Lyke started scheduling 4 such games a year (ironically, to the public chagrin of Murphy), and he was able to hit that goal without having a truly successful season.

2) We were never bad enough to justify buying him out. Our worst MAC season before this debacle was 16/17, when we went 7-11 in the conference. The next year, we went 11-7, got a bye to Cleveland, and were a buzzer beater away from playing in the MAC championship game. Never, at any point in his tenure, were we one of the 3 or 4 worst teams in the MAC.


This should be his swan song. I can understand not terminating a coach early if he’s winning games, but we don’t have a heck of a lot of room to grow next season. At least not under Murphy.
The timing is good right now for a change. If there's a new coach next year then he'll at least have a chance at a respectable record as long as not too many current players leave. That'll help with recruiting for the future. It'll also be nice to see what this group of players can do with new management.

If Murphy coaches as a lame duck next year and the record is poor then a new guy will come in and start with very little. Walk-ons will be starting.
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He's taken us full circle back to Ramsey and a complete rebuild.
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(01-25-2020 07:02 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Fans/Alumni/Students this was another good loss.

I believe some of you want this team to win because there are some promising athletes. From my perspective, I want a change in Men’s Basketball leadership. I hold Scott Wetherbee accountable for extending Murphy’s contract. So Wetherbee is not going to make a change unless he’s forced to do so. That might mean we need a unanimous revolt where all of us are rooting for this team to lose until a change is made. I have never rooted for EMU to lose in any sport;however, due to some very poor leadership by Gragg and a Wetherbee, I feel we have no choice. [/align]we have had to endure Gragg’s hiring of a high school coach who doesn’t have the philosophy to win on offense, defense and in transition. Simply put Rob Murphy has a great opportunity and was paid well for 9 years but it’s time to move on.

Honestly Luckey I don't think there is any need to root against this team. They sit at 0-7, with five and possibly six of the games against teams that will end up in the bottom half of the conference. Absent an opponent meltdown, I see only two potential victories this season, WMU and NIU Monty in Ypsilanti. 2-16 might be our best possible outcome.

Murph has hardly embarrassed EMU. He has been a class act for the most part. Unfortunately, however, I never felt he has been fully committed to the University and the program. He does not endeavor to promote the program off the field like Creighton and maintains a residence in New York state.

He is very candid in interviews when he reveals a player has had a poor night and his displeasure last season when he was forced to play a "big boy" non-conference schedule. I think that is the root of his coaching problem. He, like his mentor Boheim, are entrenched in their beliefs that there is ONLY one way to run a program, such as candy non-con schedules and the 2-3 zone. And like his mentor who used to have a "blueblood" program, the game has passed him by. Steve has pointed out many times the value of the three ball, yet we perpetually tail the conference in this stat. Free throw shooting? Yep same old movie. Off ball movement and screens? I will probably have cardiac arrest if we are called for moving pick away from the ball or actually hit a back door cutter for an easy basket.

I agree with Luckey, this team actually has quite a bit of talent. Toure is raw but might be the most physically talented center in the MAC, he is very strong and I think his leaping ability is stellar for his size, at EMU however, he will graduate as a "raw" prospect. Ty Groce possesses the physical skills to play six miles west, but his improved stats this year reflect only his increased playing time rather than his skill sets improvement. James and Dillard are promising freshman, Montero and Morgan are MAC capable for sure. At some point we have to realize that EMU has fiduciary responsibility to improve these players in the sport that they have accepted a scholarship, along with providing them an educational opportunity. When your coach refuses to change or adjust to his player's capabilities you simply will not. Watch Jalen King for example and tell me how much better he is than two years ago as a freshman.

I anticipate that at year end Rob will have a MAC conference record of 72-86, a winning percentage of 46%. If we subtract the first year of Charles Ramsey who inherited the Boone dumpster fire, his conference record was 33-47 or 41%, and we fired the guy a year before his contract expired.

Time for a new direction, in my opinion.
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RE: Game Week/DAY: @Bowling Green and @Miami
(01-26-2020 07:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-25-2020 07:02 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Fans/Alumni/Students this was another good loss.

I believe some of you want this team to win because there are some promising athletes. From my perspective, I want a change in Men’s Basketball leadership. I hold Scott Wetherbee accountable for extending Murphy’s contract. So Wetherbee is not going to make a change unless he’s forced to do so. That might mean we need a unanimous revolt where all of us are rooting for this team to lose until a change is made. I have never rooted for EMU to lose in any sport;however, due to some very poor leadership by Gragg and a Wetherbee, I feel we have no choice. [/align]we have had to endure Gragg’s hiring of a high school coach who doesn’t have the philosophy to win on offense, defense and in transition. Simply put Rob Murphy has a great opportunity and was paid well for 9 years but it’s time to move on.

Honestly Luckey I don't think there is any need to root against this team. They sit at 0-7, with five and possibly six of the games against teams that will end up in the bottom half of the conference. Absent an opponent meltdown, I see only two potential victories this season, WMU and NIU Monty in Ypsilanti. 2-16 might be our best possible outcome.

Murph has hardly embarrassed EMU. He has been a class act for the most part. Unfortunately, however, I never felt he has been fully committed to the University and the program. He does not endeavor to promote the program off the field like Creighton and maintains a residence in New York state.

He is very candid in interviews when he reveals a player has had a poor night and his displeasure last season when he was forced to play a "big boy" non-conference schedule. I think that is the root of his coaching problem. He, like his mentor Boheim, are entrenched in their beliefs that there is ONLY one way to run a program, such as candy non-con schedules and the 2-3 zone. And like his mentor who used to have a "blueblood" program, the game has passed him by. Steve has pointed out many times the value of the three ball, yet we perpetually tail the conference in this stat. Free throw shooting? Yep same old movie. Off ball movement and screens? I will probably have cardiac arrest if we are called for moving pick away from the ball or actually hit a back door cutter for an easy basket.

I agree with Luckey, this team actually has quite a bit of talent. Toure is raw but might be the most physically talented center in the MAC, he is very strong and I think his leaping ability is stellar for his size, at EMU however, he will graduate as a "raw" prospect. Ty Groce possesses the physical skills to play six miles west, but his improved stats this year reflect only his increased playing time rather than his skill sets improvement. James and Dillard are promising freshman, Montero and Morgan are MAC capable for sure. At some point we have to realize that EMU has fiduciary responsibility to improve these players in the sport that they have accepted a scholarship, along with providing them an educational opportunity. When your coach refuses to change or adjust to his player's capabilities you simply will not. Watch Jalen King for example and tell me how much better he is than two years ago as a freshman.

I anticipate that at year end Rob will have a MAC conference record of 72-86, a winning percentage of 46%. If we subtract the first year of Charles Ramsey who inherited the Boone dumpster fire, his conference record was 33-47 or 41%, and we fired the guy a year before his contract expired.

Time for a new direction, in my opinion.
Jerry, I completely agree! Who do you think E Mich should try and hire? Who do you want them to hire? I want Earl Boykins with Carl Thomas, who has ton of experience coaching with Dambrot, and a dream Stan Heath, or Gary Waters!
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(01-26-2020 07:55 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-26-2020 07:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-25-2020 07:02 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Fans/Alumni/Students this was another good loss.

I believe some of you want this team to win because there are some promising athletes. From my perspective, I want a change in Men’s Basketball leadership. I hold Scott Wetherbee accountable for extending Murphy’s contract. So Wetherbee is not going to make a change unless he’s forced to do so. That might mean we need a unanimous revolt where all of us are rooting for this team to lose until a change is made. I have never rooted for EMU to lose in any sport;however, due to some very poor leadership by Gragg and a Wetherbee, I feel we have no choice. [/align]we have had to endure Gragg’s hiring of a high school coach who doesn’t have the philosophy to win on offense, defense and in transition. Simply put Rob Murphy has a great opportunity and was paid well for 9 years but it’s time to move on.

Honestly Luckey I don't think there is any need to root against this team. They sit at 0-7, with five and possibly six of the games against teams that will end up in the bottom half of the conference. Absent an opponent meltdown, I see only two potential victories this season, WMU and NIU Monty in Ypsilanti. 2-16 might be our best possible outcome.

Murph has hardly embarrassed EMU. He has been a class act for the most part. Unfortunately, however, I never felt he has been fully committed to the University and the program. He does not endeavor to promote the program off the field like Creighton and maintains a residence in New York state.

He is very candid in interviews when he reveals a player has had a poor night and his displeasure last season when he was forced to play a "big boy" non-conference schedule. I think that is the root of his coaching problem. He, like his mentor Boheim, are entrenched in their beliefs that there is ONLY one way to run a program, such as candy non-con schedules and the 2-3 zone. And like his mentor who used to have a "blueblood" program, the game has passed him by. Steve has pointed out many times the value of the three ball, yet we perpetually tail the conference in this stat. Free throw shooting? Yep same old movie. Off ball movement and screens? I will probably have cardiac arrest if we are called for moving pick away from the ball or actually hit a back door cutter for an easy basket.

I agree with Luckey, this team actually has quite a bit of talent. Toure is raw but might be the most physically talented center in the MAC, he is very strong and I think his leaping ability is stellar for his size, at EMU however, he will graduate as a "raw" prospect. Ty Groce possesses the physical skills to play six miles west, but his improved stats this year reflect only his increased playing time rather than his skill sets improvement. James and Dillard are promising freshman, Montero and Morgan are MAC capable for sure. At some point we have to realize that EMU has fiduciary responsibility to improve these players in the sport that they have accepted a scholarship, along with providing them an educational opportunity. When your coach refuses to change or adjust to his player's capabilities you simply will not. Watch Jalen King for example and tell me how much better he is than two years ago as a freshman.

I anticipate that at year end Rob will have a MAC conference record of 72-86, a winning percentage of 46%. If we subtract the first year of Charles Ramsey who inherited the Boone dumpster fire, his conference record was 33-47 or 41%, and we fired the guy a year before his contract expired.

Time for a new direction, in my opinion.
Jerry, I completely agree! Who do you think E Mich should try and hire? Who do you want them to hire? I want Earl Boykins with Carl Thomas, who has ton of experience coaching with Dambrot, and a dream Stan Heath, or Gary Waters!
Yes. Right on the money. Hiring Boykins would signal EMU reaching out to the long suffering basketball fans who really haven't had much joy in a long, long time. I have faith that Earl will work his tail off, just like he had to as a 5'5" player to achieve the success he had. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it is Earl Boykins. I hope they give him a chance--he almost didn't get a chance as a player. He is an inspiration to many. Let's give these fans something to feel good about.
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There's a risk in hiring Earl. What if it doesn't work out and the AD is in the awkward position of firing a guy who has his jersey hanging in the rafters? Kind of like when the Tigers had to dump Trammel. Not saying I'm opposed to Earl. He's obviously been around the game at all levels and had learned from many different coaches. Just saying there's something to consider.

Just don't bring in an assistant from a glossy P5 school. That doesn't work at EMU - Barnes, Ramsey, Murphy, Genyk, English, Woodruff... Would rather have an experienced HC from a small D1 or lower level school like Braun, Harkema, or CC.
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(01-26-2020 08:56 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  There's a risk in hiring Earl. What if it doesn't work out and the AD is in the awkward position of firing a guy who has his jersey hanging in the rafters? Kind of like when the Tigers had to dump Trammel. Not saying I'm opposed to Earl. He's obviously been around the game at all levels and had learned from many different coaches. Just saying there's something to consider.

Just don't bring in an assistant from a glossy P5 school. That doesn't work at EMU - Barnes, Ramsey, Murphy, Genyk, English, Woodruff... Would rather have an experienced HC from a small D1 or lower level school like Braun, Harkema, or CC.

It's a hard sell, 22 years and counting...…..Earl Boykins can sell it, with the fact that he did it, same with Carl, Or Charles Thomas...….This program is on life support...….
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(01-26-2020 08:56 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  There's a risk in hiring Earl. What if it doesn't work out and the AD is in the awkward position of firing a guy who has his jersey hanging in the rafters? Kind of like when the Tigers had to dump Trammel. Not saying I'm opposed to Earl. He's obviously been around the game at all levels and had learned from many different coaches. Just saying there's something to consider.

Just don't bring in an assistant from a glossy P5 school. That doesn't work at EMU - Barnes, Ramsey, Murphy, Genyk, English, Woodruff... Would rather have an experienced HC from a small D1 or lower level school like Braun, Harkema, or CC.
I think Boykins is smart and classy enough to know that if it doesn't work out, he would step down. I don't think he would ever get fired. The other thing is the stakes aren't that high. EMU fans just want to make the tournament every so often and be able to contend most years. This is not a pressure job.
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(01-26-2020 08:56 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  There's a risk in hiring Earl. What if it doesn't work out and the AD is in the awkward position of firing a guy who has his jersey hanging in the rafters? Kind of like when the Tigers had to dump Trammel. Not saying I'm opposed to Earl. He's obviously been around the game at all levels and had learned from many different coaches. Just saying there's something to consider.

Just don't bring in an assistant from a glossy P5 school. That doesn't work at EMU - Barnes, Ramsey, Murphy, Genyk, English, Woodruff... Would rather have an experienced HC from a small D1 or lower level school like Braun, Harkema, or CC.

Perfecto Nickle! I want the legacy of Earl Boykins to remain as positive as possible, not a Chris Mullin at St John' story.

Hell yes interview Earl but look at Bronkema at Ferris and others as well. I would not zero in on or rule out anybody but as Nickle unerringly pointed out, our past success has been with D1 head coaches.
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