(01-31-2020 04:13 PM)mrbig Wrote: (01-31-2020 02:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: As for welfare... Jul 10, 2019 - California has become the first state in the country to offer government-subsidized health benefits to young adults living in the U.S. illegally. ... Gavin Newsom on Tuesday extends coverage to low-income, undocumented adults ages 25 and younger for the state's Medicaid program.
You probably know this better than me, but emergency rooms cannot turn away patients, including illegal immigrants. Physicians would likely violate their hippocratic oath if they did so for a patient that needed care. So I think the democratic argument is that it is cheaper for illegal immigrants to receive normal healthcare than have them showing up at the ER over and over. And offering preventative care can also help avoid the spread of disease to both US citizens and within immigrant communities. If that is the case, it seems crazy that a conservative would argue that we should spend more money to treat illigal immigrants at the ER that would result in more public health risk to everyone.
I don't really think of public education as "welfare" so I don't consider that to be something within the ambit of 69/70/75's question about adding them to the "welfare rolls".
Of course not. A conservative would argue that they should not be here in the first place to need care.
While yes, preventative care is cheaper, Tell me where the tens of thousands of additional primary care physicians are going to come from to provide this preventative care? Especially when under the ACA, poor life choices including declining preventative care are not discouraged? The problem of course isn't illegal aliens but merely a shortage of PCPs, but we're just taking a bad problem and making it worse. The ACA is welfare for the unhealthy at the cost to the healthy.
It's not just public education, it's also healthcare as you note and all sorts of income based social programs for dependents... most if not all programs I support, but I struggle to support it for kids of parents who are not here legally. Despite your details, it also seems self-evident that people support politicians who support policies that favor them.... It is a huge incentive for parents to break the law to advance their children's future.... and the left generally supports policies that make the lives of illegal immigrants and their children more comfortable here... hence Owl's belief
You're looking for ways to manage the issues of illegal immigration, and a conservative would be looking for ways to eliminate the issues of illegal immigration.
A good example is what is happening in Mexico. Rather than trying to support their very wide northern border, they are looking at ways to enforce their southern one....
They'd rather stop them before they enter than find ways to support them once they have entered. They USED to support these people because they knew they weren't going to be settling in their country but were merely passing through. I personally know of situations where illegals were transported by Mexico from their southern border to their northern and dropped off.
I fall somewhere in-between. I support a path to citizenship and guest workers... with employers paying for basic care... but I also support border enforcement and ending (severely limiting) illegal immigration, including severe penalties for people who don't take advantage of the path to citizenship. Owl has said very similar.
Cut illegal immigration by 50% and you reduce the cost of taking care of them by a multiple of that, because their dependents won't be citizens. Turn them into LEGAL immigrants and I'd guess their income goes up and and their need for healthcare and criminal protection against exploitation goes down.
You know what the biggest problem with giving illegal aliens access to primary care? They still generally won't use it. They don't care what the ER costs because they don't pay for it. Why do they care if the PCP is cheaper? They also don't want the paper-trail that the PCPs office has.... like ID and family history.