(01-31-2020 03:52 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:29 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:01 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  Nmsu flies to LAX

From El Paso?

I would assume so, although they have been known to charter flights to locations that are off the beaten path.

I’m just not seeing your BSC angle here. I personally don’t see Boise getting back into a league with Idaho. They spent considerable time and resources to get away from them. It’s not unlike what UNM and UTEP do with NMSU.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I think his angle is if you have to get into a bus to travel from the airport to the campus, what difference does a few extra hours on a bus make. At least that is how I take it, and to an extend he is correct.

I always viewed the large metro area being bigger for recruiting/university exposure than anything else. For travel the large metros ideally mean more travel options (different airlines and flight times if not chartering) which could lower costs.

To some degree yes. Boise would have 4 BSC teams within a 6 hour ride. Only UVU would be under 6 in the WAC.
Boise has a lot of flights, but non-stops are fewer. There are non-stops to Spokane, but those schools are under 6 hours driving, so not sure if they would fly or drive.

Flying to Cal Baptist - if you could fly to Ontario, that is 30 min drive to Cal Baptist - problem is, no one flies non-stop to Boise. Actually less time to Fly to LAX and then the 1 1/2 bus ride (in good days) to Riverside.

(01-31-2020 04:02 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:52 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:29 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:01 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  Nmsu flies to LAX

From El Paso?

I would assume so, although they have been known to charter flights to locations that are off the beaten path.

I’m just not seeing your BSC angle here. I personally don’t see Boise getting back into a league with Idaho. They spent considerable time and resources to get away from them. It’s not unlike what UNM and UTEP do with NMSU.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I think his angle is if you have to get into a bus to travel from the airport to the campus, what difference does a few extra hours on a bus make. At least that is how I take it, and to an extend he is correct.

I always viewed the large metro area being bigger for recruiting/university exposure than anything else. For travel the large metros ideally mean more travel options (different airlines and flight times if not chartering) which could lower costs.

To some degree yes. Boise would have 4 BSC teams within a 6 hour ride. Only UVU would be under 6 in the WAC.
Boise has a lot of flights, but non-stops are fewer. There are non-stops to Spokane, but those schools are under 6 hours driving, so not sure if they would fly or drive.

Flying to Cal Baptist - if you could fly to Ontario, that is 30 min drive to Cal Baptist - problem is, no one flies non-stop to Boise. Actually less time to Fly to LAX and then the 1 1/2 bus ride (in good days) to Riverside.

I think that flight to PHX then long bus ride to Flagstaff would be brutal compared to hitting up GCU in the PHX metro.

(01-31-2020 04:11 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 04:02 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:52 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:29 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 03:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  From El Paso?

I would assume so, although they have been known to charter flights to locations that are off the beaten path.

I’m just not seeing your BSC angle here. I personally don’t see Boise getting back into a league with Idaho. They spent considerable time and resources to get away from them. It’s not unlike what UNM and UTEP do with NMSU.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I think his angle is if you have to get into a bus to travel from the airport to the campus, what difference does a few extra hours on a bus make. At least that is how I take it, and to an extend he is correct.

I always viewed the large metro area being bigger for recruiting/university exposure than anything else. For travel the large metros ideally mean more travel options (different airlines and flight times if not chartering) which could lower costs.

To some degree yes. Boise would have 4 BSC teams within a 6 hour ride. Only UVU would be under 6 in the WAC.
Boise has a lot of flights, but non-stops are fewer. There are non-stops to Spokane, but those schools are under 6 hours driving, so not sure if they would fly or drive.

Flying to Cal Baptist - if you could fly to Ontario, that is 30 min drive to Cal Baptist - problem is, no one flies non-stop to Boise. Actually less time to Fly to LAX and then the 1 1/2 bus ride (in good days) to Riverside.

I think that flight to PHX then long bus ride to Flagstaff would be brutal compared to hitting up GCU in the PHX metro.

Correct - that is the one clear advantage the WAC would have.

But take the Texas twins - Boise to UTRGV - 6-8 hours flight time, hour bus ride from Harlingen Airport. Boise to Tarleton - 3 hour flight to DFW, 1:45 min bus ride.

So Boise to do both Texas teams would likely do:

Boise>Dallas>Harlingen>bus>bus>Harlingen>Dallas>bus>bus>Dallas>Boise

In the time it takes to get to Harlingen, Boise could fly to Phoenix, Bus to Flagstaff, Play a Game and be back in Phoenix :)

Boise can get to Flagstaff quicker than it can to Las Cruces.

Boise to DFW is 3 hours; DFW to McAllen (whose airport is 12 miles from UTRGV) is an hour.

(01-31-2020 04:31 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  Boise to DFW is 3 hours; DFW to McAllen (whose airport is 12 miles from UTRGV) is an hour.

Ok - I see quickest flights are 1 1/2 hours from DFW. American is the only non-stop from Boise to Dallas, flight times are 3 1/2 hours

So minimum 5 hours flight time, not including layover (add on average an hour).

Absolute best case door to door would be 7 hours travel time, plus at least an 1 huor arrival time

I forgot about the Tarleton add. Yeah that trip is going to suck.

Would Dixie State go to SLC as the main airport? Or are they closer to Vegas?

St George has its own airport. DFW, PHX, SLC nonstops. Its 5 or so hours to SLC. To your point, Vegas is pretty close too.

(01-31-2020 07:05 PM)Country_Wisdom_359 Wrote:  Would Dixie State go to SLC as the main airport? Or are they closer to Vegas?

Vegas. They (St. George) are closer to Vegas than Southern Utah (Cedar City).

(01-31-2020 07:14 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 07:05 PM)Country_Wisdom_359 Wrote:  Would Dixie State go to SLC as the main airport? Or are they closer to Vegas?

Vegas. They (St. George) are closer to Vegas than Southern Utah (Cedar City).

About a half hour closer.

There are no direct flights Boise to St. George. Quicker to fly to Vegas and Drive

3.5 hours if you fly delta to SLC and connect to a flight straight to st George

(01-31-2020 02:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Question on Travel - what do you consider a Bus trip and what is a flight? (i.e. how close does an opponent have to be to drive versus fly).


Second - are you SURE travel would be easier in the WAC for Boise?

Travel is tough throughout the west, in every conference. Whether you are flying to Laramie or Boise or Albuquerque, it is a hassle. In the case of Boise State basketball, they have been using charter flights to get to some of their games.

(01-30-2020 02:53 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  Large metros matter when you have the top school(s) in the metro. I’m sure the Seattle (large metro) recruits are happy playing in a 1k seat arena averaging 400 fans per game and Chicago’s 10 fans. MW is definitely a better conference than these 2. So if they choose to leave I think they’ll go to one where they’ll dominate. In these little conferences if you don’t win it all you just get lost in the mix. Heck I don’t even know who’s been taking second place in the regular season the past few years in the WAC.

The WAC is a bunch of good markets in search of good basketball teams. They have a lot of schools with potential, but they have just not gotten there yet because of one reason or another. Regarding Seattle, they averaged 4,614 fans per game in 2011 at the Key Arena and 985 fans last season playing at their campus facility. The Key Arena is being renovated and won't be available until 2021-2022.

Seattle has no NBA team and just two D1 schools. Seattle is the #13 TV market in the nation. They have played home games against Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Colorado, Virginia, Washington State and Washington. Because of their market and the talent in the market, they have the ability to schedule quality opponents. They just need to get back into the Key Arena and win. GCU and CBU are also in great markets with good facilities.

(01-31-2020 11:48 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 02:53 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  Large metros matter when you have the top school(s) in the metro. I’m sure the Seattle (large metro) recruits are happy playing in a 1k seat arena averaging 400 fans per game and Chicago’s 10 fans. MW is definitely a better conference than these 2. So if they choose to leave I think they’ll go to one where they’ll dominate. In these little conferences if you don’t win it all you just get lost in the mix. Heck I don’t even know who’s been taking second place in the regular season the past few years in the WAC.

The WAC is a bunch of good markets in search of good basketball teams. They have a lot of schools with potential, but they have just not gotten there yet because of one reason or another. Regarding Seattle, they averaged 4,614 fans per game in 2011 at the Key Arena and 985 fans last season playing at their campus facility. The Key Arena is being renovated and won't be available until 2021-2022.

Seattle has no NBA team and just two D1 schools. Seattle is the #13 TV market in the nation. They have played home games against Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Colorado, Virginia, Washington State and Washington. Because of their market and the talent in the market, they have the ability to schedule quality opponents. They just need to get back into the Key Arena and win. GCU and CBU are also in great markets with good facilities.

Biggest issue Seattle is still fighting is their rep with local kids that hoop. Most have coaches or family members that still think SU in non D1.

Is Seattle U ever going to build an on campus arena? The CBU arena is a perfect size for Seattle U. Is is really good for Seattle to play in a giant arena like Key or a 999 seat gym? Neither one is ideal. A 5000 seat on campus arena is what Seattle U needs.

I think team are flying into Las Cruces International Airport if it’s a charter flight. If not, they fly Into El Paso which is less than an hour away from NMSU campus

(02-03-2020 10:13 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Is Seattle U ever going to build an on campus arena? The CBU arena is a perfect size for Seattle U. Is is really good for Seattle to play in a giant arena like Key or a 999 seat gym? Neither one is ideal. A 5000 seat on campus arena is what Seattle U needs.

There were talks about it but Seattle U is in the heart of the city with a major hospital that's the trauma center that serves Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Nevada. With the hospital and SU intertwined in the same area mixed with the high price of the process just to put shovels in the ground to begin to build, SU will be at the New Arena which will be nicer than anything they could swing anyways.

(01-31-2020 10:39 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-31-2020 02:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Question on Travel - what do you consider a Bus trip and what is a flight? (i.e. how close does an opponent have to be to drive versus fly).


Second - are you SURE travel would be easier in the WAC for Boise?

Travel is tough throughout the west, in every conference. Whether you are flying to Laramie or Boise or Albuquerque, it is a hassle. In the case of Boise State basketball, they have been using charter flights to get to some of their games.

What about other sports?

(02-03-2020 10:27 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 10:13 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Is Seattle U ever going to build an on campus arena? The CBU arena is a perfect size for Seattle U. Is is really good for Seattle to play in a giant arena like Key or a 999 seat gym? Neither one is ideal. A 5000 seat on campus arena is what Seattle U needs.

There were talks about it but Seattle U is in the heart of the city with a major hospital that's the trauma center that serves Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Nevada. With the hospital and SU intertwined in the same area mixed with the high price of the process just to put shovels in the ground to begin to build, SU will be at the New Arena which will be nicer than anything they could swing anyways.

How far is Key Arena from the Seattle U campus?

2.3 miles