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(01-23-2020 11:06 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:36 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  https://twitter.com/C_Austin_Cox/status/...96065?s=19

It’s WCC or bust for them. The Big Sky ? Lol. They better hope they’re going to NMSU the league every year.

To be honest, for basketball, I don't think Boise State has ever had the number of sellouts and near-sellouts as they did when they were in the Big Sky. I could easily get 5th row seats for most Big West-era games, and pretty close to that in their WAC days. Supposedly there's been an uptick in the Mountain West, but eh, they're a football school with a bit of tennis mixed in.

Does anyone really see a cultural fit for Boise in the WCC? [Snicker]
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(01-23-2020 09:36 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  https://twitter.com/C_Austin_Cox/status/...96065?s=19



That guy is not reliable.
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(01-24-2020 11:44 AM)Pounder Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 11:06 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:36 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  https://twitter.com/C_Austin_Cox/status/...96065?s=19

It’s WCC or bust for them. The Big Sky ? Lol. They better hope they’re going to NMSU the league every year.

To be honest, for basketball, I don't think Boise State has ever had the number of sellouts and near-sellouts as they did when they were in the Big Sky. I could easily get 5th row seats for most Big West-era games, and pretty close to that in their WAC days. Supposedly there's been an uptick in the Mountain West, but eh, they're a football school with a bit of tennis mixed in.

Does anyone really see a cultural fit for Boise in the WCC? [Snicker]

Boise fits in with the WCC about as well Will Farrel in Blue Oyster Cult.

I find it interesting the WAC isn’t mentioned. Is the Big West really any better (answer is no)

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RE: Would Boise join the WAC?
(01-24-2020 11:44 AM)Pounder Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 11:06 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 09:36 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  https://twitter.com/C_Austin_Cox/status/...96065?s=19

It’s WCC or bust for them. The Big Sky ? Lol. They better hope they’re going to NMSU the league every year.

To be honest, for basketball, I don't think Boise State has ever had the number of sellouts and near-sellouts as they did when they were in the Big Sky. I could easily get 5th row seats for most Big West-era games, and pretty close to that in their WAC days. Supposedly there's been an uptick in the Mountain West, but eh, they're a football school with a bit of tennis mixed in.

Does anyone really see a cultural fit for Boise in the WCC? [Snicker]

Boise fits in with the WCC about as well Will Farrel in Blue Oyster Cult.

???

I find it interesting the WAC isn’t mentioned. Is the Big West really any better (answer is no)

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I expect this will end with BSU staying put. But if they can’t come to terms with the MWC and choose to move football to the AAC, I wouldn’t rule out BSU at least considering putting non-football sports in the WAC given the dearth of other options.

BSU would obviously prefer to join the WCC but almost certainly won’t be invited to that party. The Big West doesn’t want them unless they’re willing to cough up millions of bucks in entry fees and travel subsidies. The Summit is stable with its I-29 core, on track to expand eastward with St. Thomas and has no incentive to add a far western outpost as an 11th member.

That leaves only the Big Sky and the WAC. The Big Sky has 11 non-football members and probably would be willing to take BSU as a 12th. The conference is stable and the institutional and geographic fits are good. But the WAC would also become relatively stable if BSU were to replace Chicago State, and has advantages over the Big Sky in a few key respects: much higher conference NET ranking (16th versus 27th), easier travel since most members are in or near large cities with major airports, exposure to fertile SoCal and Texas recruiting grounds, sponsorship of baseball as a conference sport, and not having hated Idaho as a conference member.

I wouldn’t hold my breath for it to happen, but the point is I wouldn’t be stunned either. Stranger things have happened in conference realignment.
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RE: Would Boise join the WAC?
My thoughts exactly. I see the chances of BSU leaving the MWC for anything other than a P5 invite as being pretty slim.

IF it were to happen, I think the WAC needs to pursue them. I just saw AF is not really happy in the MWC either, although I don’t know they would leave either. BSU leaving COULD be the catalyst for another member or two to leave as well.

That, or nothing happens. Who knows!!

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(01-26-2020 11:51 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I expect this will end with BSU staying put. But if they can’t come to terms with the MWC and choose to move football to the AAC, I wouldn’t rule out BSU at least considering putting non-football sports in the WAC given the dearth of other options.

BSU would obviously prefer to join the WCC but almost certainly won’t be invited to that party. The Big West doesn’t want them unless they’re willing to cough up millions of bucks in entry fees and travel subsidies. The Summit is stable with its I-29 core, on track to expand eastward with St. Thomas and has no incentive to add a far western outpost as an 11th member.

That leaves only the Big Sky and the WAC. The Big Sky has 11 non-football members and probably would be willing to take BSU as a 12th. The conference is stable and the institutional and geographic fits are good. But the WAC would also become relatively stable if BSU were to replace Chicago State, and has advantages over the Big Sky in a few key respects: much higher conference NET ranking (16th versus 27th), easier travel since most members are in or near large cities with major airports, exposure to fertile SoCal and Texas recruiting grounds, sponsorship of baseball as a conference sport, and not having hated Idaho as a conference member.

I wouldn’t hold my breath for it to happen, but the point is I wouldn’t be stunned either. Stranger things have happened in conference realignment.

You used last year's conference NET rankings.

This year, currently The Big Sky is 17th, WAC at 25th. The highest BSC team is higher than the best WAC, and the BSC has 6 more rated ahead of the #2 WAC Team.

Your last point though would be critical (and add Idaho State).

From an academic standpoint, Boise is an R2 - Research school. Big Sky has 1 R1 (Montana State) and 5 R2's. WAC has 3 R2's, and one is leaving after this year (UMKC).

Big West has 6 R1's. Summit has 6 R2's
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(01-28-2020 08:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(01-26-2020 11:51 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I expect this will end with BSU staying put. But if they can’t come to terms with the MWC and choose to move football to the AAC, I wouldn’t rule out BSU at least considering putting non-football sports in the WAC given the dearth of other options.

BSU would obviously prefer to join the WCC but almost certainly won’t be invited to that party. The Big West doesn’t want them unless they’re willing to cough up millions of bucks in entry fees and travel subsidies. The Summit is stable with its I-29 core, on track to expand eastward with St. Thomas and has no incentive to add a far western outpost as an 11th member.

That leaves only the Big Sky and the WAC. The Big Sky has 11 non-football members and probably would be willing to take BSU as a 12th. The conference is stable and the institutional and geographic fits are good. But the WAC would also become relatively stable if BSU were to replace Chicago State, and has advantages over the Big Sky in a few key respects: much higher conference NET ranking (16th versus 27th), easier travel since most members are in or near large cities with major airports, exposure to fertile SoCal and Texas recruiting grounds, sponsorship of baseball as a conference sport, and not having hated Idaho as a conference member.

I wouldn’t hold my breath for it to happen, but the point is I wouldn’t be stunned either. Stranger things have happened in conference realignment.

You used last year's conference NET rankings.

This year, currently The Big Sky is 17th, WAC at 25th. The highest BSC team is higher than the best WAC, and the BSC has 6 more rated ahead of the #2 WAC Team.

Your last point though would be critical (and add Idaho State).

From an academic standpoint, Boise is an R2 - Research school. Big Sky has 1 R1 (Montana State) and 5 R2's. WAC has 3 R2's, and one is leaving after this year (UMKC).

Big West has 6 R1's. Summit has 6 R2's

The past four seasons, the WAC has been rated higher than the Big Sky. This season for the WAC has been a disaster with injuries and other issues. Last season, the WAC had three schools in the top 100 of Net Ranking (NMSU at 40, UVU at 90 and GCU at 96). The Big Sky had no school last season and has no school this season in the top 100.

The WAC had the following records vs these conferences last season:
Big Sky 9-2
MWC 6-3
Summit 9-4
Big West 6-1
The attendance, budgets and markets are all bigger in the WAC than the Big Sky. There is more upside in the WAC.

One important point that HM brought up was baseball, Boise State is bringing back in three weeks. BSU opens up with a WAC heavy non-conference schedule, with four games each against Northern Colorado, Seattle and UVU, 12 of their first 18 games. They are making a big investment in baseball, with a $1 million dollar budget and a new $10 million dollar baseball stadium which will open up next season.

If they leave the MWC, the logical home for their baseball program is the WAC, since the Big Sky has no baseball, but the WAC will probably not take them just for baseball. The WAC will have 11 baseball schools next season, they don't need BSU for baseball. They need them for basketball. The WAC has no exit fee. BSU paid a 1.79 million dollar exit fee to the Big West in 2013, even though they never played a game in the Big West.

If BSU is concerned about being in a good academic conference, then they should stay in the MWC. Seattle is a highly rated academically and NMSU and UTRGV are R2 schools, but overall it is not a great academic conference. But since when did Boise State worry about academics?
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1) Why wouldn't the WAC take Boise for baseball? Already has two Big Sky teams as affiliates
2) Boise does care about academics. Trying to shake the JUCO label still

Big Sky basketball is trending upwards. WAC is opposite. And the Big Sky is with the normal best team (Weber) in a rebuilding year.
Markets don't mean much at this level. Accessibility is an issue, and while the WAC is easier to fly, for Boise the Big Sky is overall much easier travel for the non-revenue sports.

Either way, I don't expect Boise to leave the MWC.
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(01-29-2020 02:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  1) Why wouldn't the WAC take Boise for baseball? Already has two Big Sky teams as affiliates
2) Boise does care about academics. Trying to shake the JUCO label still

Big Sky basketball is trending upwards. WAC is opposite. And the Big Sky is with the normal best team (Weber) in a rebuilding year.
Markets don't mean much at this level. Accessibility is an issue, and while the WAC is easier to fly, for Boise the Big Sky is overall much easier travel for the non-revenue sports.

Either way, I don't expect Boise to leave the MWC.

Northern Colorado and Sacramento State are football members of the Big Sky, and also all-sports members of the Big Sky. Boise State would not be a member for football and would be a free agent for Olympic sports. They would need to find a home for their baseball program and their women’s swimming and diving program. The WAC can be a home for both sports, the Big Sky cannot. So the WAC is the logical choice for Boise State.

Name a team in the Big Sky that has been better than New Mexico State in basketball over the past decade? NMSU was 40th in Net ranking in 2019, 46th in RPI ranking in 2018, 55th in 2017. Weber State was 182nd in Net ranking in 2019, RPI of 170 in 2018, RPI of 178 in 2017. In the past four seasons, only Montana in 2017-2018 has finished in the top 100. Montana was 95th that season. In the past four seasons, NMSU has made the top 100 three times, UVU twice, GCU twice and Cal State Bakersfield once, in 2016-2017 when they finished 59th in RPI. The WAC has consistently been better and it is not even close.

On markets, they do matter if we are talking about the growth potential and recruiting potential of the conferences. Being in the Southern California, Phoenix and Seattle markets gives the WAC three strong western markets to draw talent from.
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Idaho went to the Big Sky without football, but remained in swimming and diving. NAU and Sac are in the WAC for those sports Not a big deal

NMSU is the best program between the two conferences, but that doesn't make a conference.

If you are a minor blip in a major market, it means nothing. Big Sky recruits Phoenix, California and Seattle quite well.
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Unless there is a grudge being held at Boise, and they want some competition, the WAC is the only logical choice if we assume the WCC doesn’t want them (highly likely). While the WAC is certainly down this year, overall the WAC is going to be better at the top.

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(01-29-2020 05:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Idaho went to the Big Sky without football, but remained in swimming and diving. NAU and Sac are in the WAC for those sports Not a big deal

NMSU is the best program between the two conferences, but that doesn't make a conference.

If you are a minor blip in a major market, it means nothing. Big Sky recruits Phoenix, California and Seattle quite well.

If you are already in a conference and you want to join the WAC for one sport, that is okay. Boise State would be a free agent. It is completely different. As an example, Air Force, UNLV and SJSU all have men's soccer teams in the WAC.

In the case of Idaho, WAC football was gone. No one could blame them for leaving. It was completely understandable, especially since the Big Sky was a better regional fit for Olympic sports and travel in the Sun Belt for football was expensive.

It is completely different to be in the markets and recruit quality athletes to your school, not to mention that the teams in these markets have larger basketball budgets than the Big Sky schools.
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WAC is a better fit for Boise than the BSC. Baseball is key, not sure why a desperate for membership conference like the WAC would not use that as leverage to get them. Also the bigger markets are key for Boise. If I were Boise, I'd prefer the WAC over the BSC...

...but if I were also Boise I would stay in the MWC if they call my bluff. Which is how I think this thing between the MWC and Boise plays out.
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If for some reason they were to split from the MW I think the BS would be good for them. They would be the NMSU of that conference and make the tournament year after year. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t have that luxury. Although they would bring a name brand school back to the WAC.
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(01-30-2020 10:55 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  If for some reason they were to split from the MW I think the BS would be good for them. They would be the NMSU of that conference and make the tournament year after year. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t have that luxury. Although they would bring a name brand school back to the WAC.

Personally, I think Boise State will stay in the MWC. But in the scenario where they leave and decide to join the Big Sky, their top sports would look like this:

Football - AAC or Independence
Basketball (Men & Women) - Big Sky
Baseball - WAC

Staying in the MWC is the easy solution. The Big Sky, which is a football conference that also plays basketball, would get them basically for basketball. The WAC would get them for baseball and woman's swimming and diving. Would the Big Sky actually take them? Boise State would likely be the best team in the basketball in the Big Sky but they don't add a lot. They don't bring a 2nd bid. They won't improve their non-existent national TV package.

Would the WAC take them for baseball only? I am not sure why they would. The WAC needs a D1 school for basketball, but they really don't for baseball. BSU does not bring a 2nd bid to the WAC, either. But BSU does bring another western D1 basketball school, which the Big Sky does not really need. The Big Sky already has 11 basketball programs, all of which also play football in the conference. So, does Boise State join a western FCS conference without baseball or do they join a western Olympic sports conference with baseball?
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(01-30-2020 12:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 10:55 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  If for some reason they were to split from the MW I think the BS would be good for them. They would be the NMSU of that conference and make the tournament year after year. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t have that luxury. Although they would bring a name brand school back to the WAC.

Personally, I think Boise State will stay in the MWC. But in the scenario where they leave and decide to join the Big Sky, their top sports would look like this:

Football - AAC or Independence
Basketball (Men & Women) - Big Sky
Baseball - WAC

Staying in the MWC is the easy solution. The Big Sky, which is a football conference that also plays basketball, would get them basically for basketball. The WAC would get them for baseball and woman's swimming and diving. Would the Big Sky actually take them? Boise State would likely be the best team in the basketball in the Big Sky but they don't add a lot. They don't bring a 2nd bid. They won't improve their non-existent national TV package.

Would the WAC take them for baseball only? I am not sure why they would. The WAC needs a D1 school for basketball, but they really don't for baseball. BSU does not bring a 2nd bid to the WAC, either. But BSU does bring another western D1 basketball school, which the Big Sky does not really need. The Big Sky already has 11 basketball programs, all of which also play football in the conference. So, does Boise State join a western FCS conference without baseball or do they join a western Olympic sports conference with baseball?
I don't see why the BSC would add them if only to balance out at 12...but if the BSC really wanted 12 they would move on Dixie State.

Also the BSC M&W hoops tournament is in Boise now. The montucky and weber fans would have a sh!tfit if a conference member is "hosting" the tournament every year.
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(01-30-2020 12:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 10:55 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  If for some reason they were to split from the MW I think the BS would be good for them. They would be the NMSU of that conference and make the tournament year after year. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t have that luxury. Although they would bring a name brand school back to the WAC.

Personally, I think Boise State will stay in the MWC. But in the scenario where they leave and decide to join the Big Sky, their top sports would look like this:

Football - AAC or Independence
Basketball (Men & Women) - Big Sky
Baseball - WAC

Staying in the MWC is the easy solution. The Big Sky, which is a football conference that also plays basketball, would get them basically for basketball. The WAC would get them for baseball and woman's swimming and diving. Would the Big Sky actually take them? Boise State would likely be the best team in the basketball in the Big Sky but they don't add a lot. They don't bring a 2nd bid. They won't improve their non-existent national TV package.

Would the WAC take them for baseball only? I am not sure why they would. The WAC needs a D1 school for basketball, but they really don't for baseball. BSU does not bring a 2nd bid to the WAC, either. But BSU does bring another western D1 basketball school, which the Big Sky does not really need. The Big Sky already has 11 basketball programs, all of which also play football in the conference. So, does Boise State join a western FCS conference without baseball or do they join a western Olympic sports conference with baseball?

Im with you, I don’t think they’ll ever leave the MW. It doesn’t make sense on what you wrote that they wouldn’t add a lot to the BS” when they would be the favorite in the conference. That seems like a lot to me. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t be the favorite. They would absolutely hate the fact that NMSU would keep them from dancing every year. Either way “IF” they would leave, I could see conferences like us and the BS going after them as they bring name recognition. I just think they would go the BS route.
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(01-30-2020 02:09 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 10:55 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  If for some reason they were to split from the MW I think the BS would be good for them. They would be the NMSU of that conference and make the tournament year after year. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t have that luxury. Although they would bring a name brand school back to the WAC.

Personally, I think Boise State will stay in the MWC. But in the scenario where they leave and decide to join the Big Sky, their top sports would look like this:

Football - AAC or Independence
Basketball (Men & Women) - Big Sky
Baseball - WAC

Staying in the MWC is the easy solution. The Big Sky, which is a football conference that also plays basketball, would get them basically for basketball. The WAC would get them for baseball and woman's swimming and diving. Would the Big Sky actually take them? Boise State would likely be the best team in the basketball in the Big Sky but they don't add a lot. They don't bring a 2nd bid. They won't improve their non-existent national TV package.

Would the WAC take them for baseball only? I am not sure why they would. The WAC needs a D1 school for basketball, but they really don't for baseball. BSU does not bring a 2nd bid to the WAC, either. But BSU does bring another western D1 basketball school, which the Big Sky does not really need. The Big Sky already has 11 basketball programs, all of which also play football in the conference. So, does Boise State join a western FCS conference without baseball or do they join a western Olympic sports conference with baseball?

Im with you, I don’t think they’ll ever leave the MW. It doesn’t make sense on what you wrote that they wouldn’t add a lot to the BS” when they would be the favorite in the conference. That seems like a lot to me. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t be the favorite. They would absolutely hate the fact that NMSU would keep them from dancing every year. Either way “IF” they would leave, I could see conferences like us and the BS going after them as they bring name recognition. I just think they would go the BS route.

Boise doesn't dominate MW hoops now so why would moving into a conference they can dominate matter?
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(01-30-2020 02:15 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 02:09 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 12:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 10:55 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  If for some reason they were to split from the MW I think the BS would be good for them. They would be the NMSU of that conference and make the tournament year after year. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t have that luxury. Although they would bring a name brand school back to the WAC.

Personally, I think Boise State will stay in the MWC. But in the scenario where they leave and decide to join the Big Sky, their top sports would look like this:

Football - AAC or Independence
Basketball (Men & Women) - Big Sky
Baseball - WAC

Staying in the MWC is the easy solution. The Big Sky, which is a football conference that also plays basketball, would get them basically for basketball. The WAC would get them for baseball and woman's swimming and diving. Would the Big Sky actually take them? Boise State would likely be the best team in the basketball in the Big Sky but they don't add a lot. They don't bring a 2nd bid. They won't improve their non-existent national TV package.

Would the WAC take them for baseball only? I am not sure why they would. The WAC needs a D1 school for basketball, but they really don't for baseball. BSU does not bring a 2nd bid to the WAC, either. But BSU does bring another western D1 basketball school, which the Big Sky does not really need. The Big Sky already has 11 basketball programs, all of which also play football in the conference. So, does Boise State join a western FCS conference without baseball or do they join a western Olympic sports conference with baseball?

Im with you, I don’t think they’ll ever leave the MW. It doesn’t make sense on what you wrote that they wouldn’t add a lot to the BS” when they would be the favorite in the conference. That seems like a lot to me. If they came to the WAC they wouldn’t be the favorite. They would absolutely hate the fact that NMSU would keep them from dancing every year. Either way “IF” they would leave, I could see conferences like us and the BS going after them as they bring name recognition. I just think they would go the BS route.

Boise doesn't dominate MW hoops now so why would moving into a conference they can dominate matter?

Because Going to the big dance is every teams goal. Especially for teams that don’t go often. Why would you think they want to come to the WAC and not dominate it?
01-30-2020 02:23 PM
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